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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: HYZZOOKA on February 14, 2008, 07:17:03 AM
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~ ... and when it does the vampire killer could stiffen in the hand of trevor and become a luminous long light saber.
Belmonts in space anyone?? if KONAMI would only remake some of its vania vexations like the N64 series etc. I hope they cut their old stones and turn it into gems.
I propose a remake.
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I'm tired of remakes. New material is next.
Also, there's plenty of timeline between the years 1094 & 1476.
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Belmonts vs. non-Dracula vampires. Make it happen, people. IGA has even mentioned this idea before.
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Make it happen, people.
Ok, I'll get right on that...oh wait...
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Belmonts vs. non-Dracula vampires. Make it happen, people. IGA has even mentioned this idea before.
He tried with few games (loi, pork for example), but while loi worked (no Dracula there, he wasn't even around yet in the way he was after Trevor), pork failed (brush off all of the storyline development to throw in a poorly done Dracula)
I'm tired of remakes. New material is next.
I'm tired of all of his new titles since they seem to get worse and worse, while remakes actually get better. :o
Iga so far did only 2 of those, and while chronicles wasn't all that great (2 new spritesets and music, other than that same old fugly looks), dxc was great since it was basically a full blown remake.
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If they remade Dracula's Curse with either HD graphics (which I'm sure IGA said wouldn't happen) or as a 2.5D remake (Either for XBLA/PSN or PSP), that would be amazing.
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In Reply To #5
Why is it that every post you make you always find a way to bash por even when the topic has nothing to do with por? Getting kinda redundant.. :P
Anyway, the only way CV will survive is when it makes the leap to next gen consoles, and a remake (doesn't matter if it's Dracula's Curse or Adventure) wouldn't really be suited for, say, the 360. New setting, new level designers, new game!
Besides, CV as a whole has seen enough remakes already.
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In Reply To #7
It doesn't? Why is it then that it tried to do the exact thing you said cv has yet to do, just like lament? ::)
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In Reply To #7
I agree completely.
anyway, someone once suggested a game centered around Leon's New Love getting kidnapped by vampires. I'd Like to see a game like that. it can be done without resorting to GHouls and Ghost's Disney-like campiness.
(Leon obviously did fall in love again, as the belmont line continued)
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I don't think Leon fell in love again. It's more about a vendetta for him now, and you don't need love for that. All he had to do was find a woman who is strong or magically gifted in some way so to insure his offspring would be even more powerful.
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In Reply To #7
I agree completely.
anyway, someone once suggested a game centered around Leon's New Love getting kidnapped by vampires. I'd Like to see a game like that. it can be done without resorting to GHouls and Ghost's Disney-like campiness.
(Leon obviously did fall in love again, as the belmont line continued)
Though I agree that he probably did fall in love once again and did have children, the fact that the Belmont blood line continues doesn't mean he definitely did. His relative(s) could have passed down the blood line.
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In Reply To #9
I agree completely.
So you also agree with how he got pwned?
anyway, someone once suggested a game centered around Leon's New Love getting kidnapped by vampires.
Hello redundancy. It's like Loi 2.0, since the plot'd be the same thing, just like how dos was almost the same thing as aos.
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Though I agree that he probably did fall in love once again and did have children, the fact that the Belmont blood line continues doesn't mean he definitely did. His relative(s) could have passed down the blood line.
No. The Belmont line is a direct line, father to son sort of thing.
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In Reply To #13
Agreed. That (His relative(s) could have passed down the blood line) would've made them like the whole morris/shneider/etc stuff, unable to use the whip without some special spells and die while using it.
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I'm glad you all agree with me. Viva la resistance!
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That being said, we still have quite a few Belmonts IGA could tell his story with. I would like another game were you play as Trevor, exept I hope he'd be dressed like in CoD.
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No. The Belmont line is a direct line, father to son sort of thing.
This is what I always believed too, but was it actually ever confirmed? Maybe in Castlevania's Adventure or Belmont's Revenge?
In Reply To #13
Agreed. That (His relative(s) could have passed down the blood line) would've made them like the whole morris/shneider/etc stuff, unable to use the whip without some special spells and die while using it.
Eh, I'd assume that would only happen if the bloodline continued through a female Belmont. Say, just for example, Trevor didn't have any children, although I believe he did, the Vampire Killer and his blood could have been passed down through his brother or cousin. I don't think that would weaken the lineage.
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In Reply To #1
Oh, just let it end already! There's no further hope for the series....!!
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There's still enough space on the timeline to last Castlevania a good while, so long as creativity and ingenuity is applied. I also wouldn't worry much about Castlevania not surviving. It's gone on for longer than 20 years, I think it'll be fine.
It's never been confirmed that the Belmont line is totally direct as far as I know.
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Christopher Belmont rescued his son, Soleiyu Belmont, so I think it would be correct to assume the father son line. Also, Juste Belmont was the grandson of Simon (hair change from red to white?) The only problem with this theory is that Richter was the last Belmont to use the Vampire Killer, until Julius, such a long gap would make one think that Julius is not a direct descendent of the Belmont line. So I would like to see a Belmont PC in the next Castlevania game, the one after Richter, thus making it take place after PoR.
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It's possible the belmonts were somehow tainted in the generation after richter, and it took them over 100 years to cleanse that. Obviously Richter wasn't the one, otherwise the whole whips memory would be his father.
I really doubt the whip, and the soul of Sara would pick a traitor/black sheep as its representation.
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It's possible the belmonts were somehow tainted in the generation after richter, and it took them over 100 years to cleanse that. Obviously Richter wasn't the one, otherwise the whole whips memory would be his father.
I really doubt the whip, and the soul of Sara would pick a traitor/black sheep as its representation.
That sounds kinda cool. But I doubt it will happen. Belmonts have a strong will against evil, Richter obly helped Shaft because he was under a spell.
I would like to see a game were Dracula is Chalenged for the Lord of Darkness title. Yopu would play as a Belmont, then you would have to kill Daracula, and his challenger.
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Christopher Belmont rescued his son, Soleiyu Belmont, so I think it would be correct to assume the father son line. Also, Juste Belmont was the grandson of Simon (hair change from red to white?) The only problem with this theory is that Richter was the last Belmont to use the Vampire Killer, until Julius, such a long gap would make one think that Julius is not a direct descendent of the Belmont line. So I would like to see a Belmont PC in the next Castlevania game, the one after Richter, thus making it take place after PoR.
Your main argument about the whip being passed down from father to son is because Christopher rescued his son? And besides Julius, it's unlikely that there was a Belmont who used the whip after Richter.
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Your main argument about the whip being passed down from father to son is because Christopher rescued his son? And besides Julius, it's unlikely that there was a Belmont who used the whip after Richter.
Yes that's my theroy. And yes again, It would be unlikely.
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It's unlikely, hell, no Belmonts used the VK after Richter, but the Belmont line still thrived. Richter most likely had kids with Annette, and their children had children, and so on. Julius is a descendant from THIS. But, by his time, the "taint" was gone. He was the "prophecized" hero that would put Dracula down.
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It's unlikely, hell, no Belmonts used the VK after Richter,
There is no prof. Up untill 1944, no Belmonts used the VK, but what about Julius' father?
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Cod and Pork say that belmonts couldn't touch the whip until the demon castle war times, so nope. Doubt it.
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Cod and Pork say that belmonts couldn't touch the whip until the demon castle war times, so nope. Doubt it.
Your Cod sorce is wrong. And in PoR it only said Richter was the last one to use it.
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In Reply To #28
Eric: Because the Belmonts cannot touch the whip now. It is
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In Reply To #29
How did I miss that?
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IGA said that the Belmonts wouldn't wield the VK until 1999. Until then, the Morris clan is holding it, and I would think that means, right up to 1999 itself. So Jonathan's son, or his grandson would be the one who gives the VK to 19-year old Julius. Who knows, it might even be an old Jonathan himself that shows up.
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In Reply To #31
Are you suggesting a Morris could be involved with J & co. during 1999? That sounds interesting..
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Are you suggesting a Morris could be involved with J & co. during 1999? That sounds interesting..
will never happen. that would be so stupid.
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I don't see how that would be stupid, but I doubt any Morris would make anything but a brief storyline appearance for such a game.
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Yeah, knowing iga the most he'd do would be a one liner in the prologue text.
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I don't see how that would be stupid, but I doubt any Morris would make anything but a brief storyline appearance for such a game.
As long as it's very brief, like an in and out sort of thing, then I down with that. But why make sprites for just a walk-on role?
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"Year 1999, the bridging of 2 milleniums. Over 100 years has passed ever since Dracula's last real revival.
The Demon Lord has returned, this time at the peak of his power he could not reach ever since he was defeated by the legendary warrior, Trevor Belmont.
With the return of Dracula, nostradamus's great prophecy has fulfilled itself. A new, global war has started and claimed millions of innocent lives. The governments from all over Europe sent their troops to Wallachia in advance, but none of them returned. Many bounty hunters set off on their own expecting a hefty reward, but they also vanished.
Finally, losing all hope the church remembered about an ancient family who fought and defeated Dracula for over 1000 years. The Belmont family.
Its most recent heir, Julius Belmont, finally free from the curse that rendered his family unable to wield the whip for over 100 years, recovers what rightfully belongs to him from the Morris family and sets off for the dark castle to end Dracula's reign once for all."
Then the background fades in, enter Julius at the castle entrance where he meets Alucard, the Belnades etc and the game begins.
That's how i see the 1999 event start up, and the morris involvement in it. :P
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"Year 1999, the bridging of 2 milleniums. Over 100 years has passed ever since Dracula's last real revival.
The Demon Lord has returned, this time at the peak of his power he could not reach ever since he was defeated by the legendary warrior, Trevor Belmont.
With the return of Dracula, nostradamus's great prophecy has fulfilled itself. A new, global war has started and claimed millions of innocent lives.[/quote]
I like so far
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The governments from all over Europe sent their troops to Wallachia in advance, but none of them returned. Many bounty hunters set off on their own expecting a hefty reward, but they also vanished. [/quote]
WTF!!!! No, government is not involved in castlevania. It's sapposed to be all cultish. REWRITE!!!
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Finally, losing all hope the church remembered about an ancient family who fought and defeated Dracula for over 1000 years. The Belmont family.
Its most recent heir, Julius Belmont, finally free from the curse that rendered his family unable to wield the whip for over 100 years, recovers what rightfully belongs to him from the Morris family and sets off for the dark castle to end Dracula's reign once for all."[/quote]
I like it now. What curse?
Then the background fades in, enter Julius at the castle entrance where he meets Alucard, the Belnades etc and the game begins.
That's how i see the 1999 event start up, and the morris involvement in it. :P
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You messed up your quotes. :P
Government because unlike the 1400s when church was in power and had its armies of templars/palladins, today church has no power. And I wanted to emphasize the war and many people dying to Drac's armies to give a slight nod to cv3.
As for the curse, it's a guess. Iga said that Richter was the last Belmont to be recognised as a true Belmont by the whip before 1999 (hence he's the whip's avatar during the battles), so my guess is his son must have done something abominable enough to cause the whole "belmonts, gtfo and away from the whip" thing, that lasted until 1999.
And during the time when morrises borrowed the whip the Belmonts were searching for a way to cleanse themselves of their ancestor's sins to be deemed worthy to wield the weapon once again.
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Sorry for messing up hte quotes. I just like the govenment parts, the rest I like. What code does this site use? I'm used to HTML.
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[quote][/quote]
For quotes. Anything between the brackets counts as a quote.
<code></code>
But replace the <>'s with square brackets
For code. Stuff like c++, html etc, so that it won't get broken with smilies etc. and also can be used as an alternative to quotes when you just want to emphasize something without making it look like you quoted someone else.
Just check the buttons on the top rows and use preview to test the effects.
Btw.
WTF!!!! No, government is not involved in castlevania. It's
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In Reply To #41
ok, thnx
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In Reply To #41
Untrue, the crusades were by the pope wasn't it?
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In Reply To #43
In the middle ages. The 1999 event is happening in our present times, and there are no crusades are there? :P
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Arikado in aos/dos was an agent from the government. :P
Hammer was also sent out by someone from the government i'd guess.
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Hammer was there on his own free will.
Arikado being there as part of the govenment was a ruse.
And, actually there are crusades, just not the same type as before.
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In Reply To #45
Yeah. There aren't ones involving huge armies of soldiers sent to slaughter everything that's different from them though. :P
Hammer was dispatched to the hakuba shrine, he says so. "I bailed on my mission" or something.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=504969&in_page_id=1811
the pope looks like a dark lord canadate
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Hammer was there on his own free will.
From Aria's script:
??: Oh! What's a child like yerself doing in a place like this?
SOMA: A child? You're rude, Grandpa.
HAMMER: Oh, my apologies. My name's Hammer. The army ordered me to come here.
SOMA: Hi, I'm Soma.
HAMMER: I thought I was inspecting a shrine. But suddenly I was in a castle.
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How the hell did I miss that?
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You seem to be missing a lot of things.
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I believe it was in DoS that Hammer went out by himself(with hopes of meeting Yoko again). But yeah, in AoS, Hammer was sent by the army.
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"Year 1999, the bridging of 2 milleniums. Over 100 years has passed ever since Dracula's last real revival.
The Demon Lord has returned, this time at the peak of his power he could not reach ever since he was defeated by the legendary warrior, Trevor Belmont.
With the return of Dracula, nostradamus's great prophecy has fulfilled itself. A new, global war has started and claimed millions of innocent lives. The governments from all over Europe sent their troops to Wallachia in advance, but none of them returned. Many bounty hunters set off on their own expecting a hefty reward, but they also vanished.
Finally, losing all hope the church remembered about an ancient family who fought and defeated Dracula for over 1000 years. The Belmont family.
Its most recent heir, Julius Belmont, finally free from the curse that rendered his family unable to wield the whip for over 100 years, recovers what rightfully belongs to him from the Morris family and sets off for the dark castle to end Dracula's reign once for all."
Then the background fades in, enter Julius at the castle entrance where he meets Alucard, the Belnades etc and the game begins.
That's how i see the 1999 event start up, and the morris involvement in it. :P
Meh, no offense, but I don't like it. I'm sure the church, or anybody for that matter, wouldn't have forgotten about the Belmonts in the first place. Also, I'm sure it would have been known world wide at this point that either a Belmont or, sigh, a Morris would show up to do battle with Dracula.
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I came up and wrote that stuff in around 10 minutes so obviously it's not a bestseller material. :P
I just wanted it to have a cv3 feel, since the "Dracula saga" started with cv3 and ends with the 1999 event.
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Don't worry guyz, that crazy kook IGA will surely come up with an idea for a CV game!
It'll be set in Christ's time and at the end, we'll find out that after Judas hangs himself, he becomes a vampire that will eventually find the power stones but then get killed by Walter and the rest is history my friends.
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Or hey, Judas is Dracula, but he disguised himself as Mathias then became Dracula.....
I mean Dracula 200 iirc, Dracula was Judas.
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By the way, if millions of people worldwide were killed during the Demon Castle War, it's extremely doubtful that it would have been able to be covered up afterwards, which is what happened.
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Dracula is not Judas
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In Reply To #57
Unfortunately, knowing Iga, I wouldn't be surprised if he made Dracula 2000 part of Castlevania's official time line.
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In Reply To #57
Unfortunately, knowing Iga, I wouldn't be surprised if he made Dracula 2000 part of Castlevania's official time line.
thats a load of crap
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In Reply To #58
You know IGA personally?
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In Reply To #60
Dude, you didn't know?! Me, Thomas, and IGA play golf on Sundays.
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I know this will sound silly.. but.. why don't they just start over and build a new history and story for the CV universe, one more consistant?
Well, then again it would most likely make many CV fans mad if they did.
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Hey, that's not too much of a bad idea. Keep the basic formula of Belmonts vs Dracula with the same timelines but different characters and scenarios. It worked for Marvel Comics "Ultimate" series, it could sureley work here; (perhaps explore the inverted world more so than just the inverted castle itself). Although IGA would most likely want to use his time line, so I'm not sure if this could work.
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It worked for Marvel Comics "Ultimate" series, it could sureley work here;
yes, but they continued the old series. I don't think that CV fans will enjoy that to much.
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In Reply To #58
You know IGA personally?
He lives down the street from me.
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In Reply To #64
I never said they couldn't continue with the old timeline, only that they could explore an alternate universe.
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In Reply To #60
Dude, you didn't know?! Me, Thomas, and IGA play golf on Sundays.
Lol. You still owe me $25 for the 14th hole from Sunday.
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I thought we agreed on $15...
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In Reply To #66
That's what Legends, CV64, LoD and CotM are for.
STARTING a new alternate timeline wouldn't work. It would just confuse people all the more. God knows we've had ENOUGH remakes in our modern era as far as Hollywood goes. Not the "reimagining" of the CV series, as well.... ::)
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In Reply To #69
I dunno, think of how many remakes/retellings of CV1 there are.
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In Reply To #70
Who needs remakes when you can have new scenarios.
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ummmmmm the 64 ones and legends and whatever were like... spin offs.. i mean start over.. fresh.. tell the entire story in a new prespective.. clean up the timeline..maybe have it actualy relate more to bram strokers a bit more.. have the morris family as the true saviors... actualy thats a good idea for a CV inspired homebrew.
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Again, that's just like the "reimagings" that Hollywood is toss forward in our lovely modern age. Particularly on the horror front with the newer Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies and Rob Zombie's Halloween. The only difference would be that the CV reimagining would be games, not movies.
Though, it would mainly depend upon WHO does the reimagining of CV. I mean, as far as movies are concerned, the newer horror reimagings of TCM and Halloween did nothing for me. They were pure ADHD/MTV-gen fluff at it's worst. However, the reimaginings of The Thing and The Blob(in the 80s) were done right, IMO. Same thing can be applied to games. Don't aim to make it as cool as possible, just aim to make it as good as possible. That's the real motto! Especially in all fronts of media, be it VGs, music or movies, it seems the companies are turning out quantity over quality. Those who can nail the quality perfectly will always get praised for their acomplishments!!
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In Reply To #73
Do not put things into my mouth please, im not hollyweed(pun intended).
Well if they did start over as im sugesting they could make it so the timeline and story are more consistant.
It could still be the belmonts.. still fighting the good fight aginst evil.. but the story would have less parts that make no sence.. sometimes the story is questionable lol.
I mean.. when does dracula return or is reborn, is it not like every thousand years or something.. or 100 years.. if their were less years in between his rebirths their could be more storys to tell.
As is, their are such large gaps that they are running out of timeline as the topic says... the only other thing they could do is keep pushing forward to the future like they do on the handheld ones AoS and DoS.
I am still curious about 1999 and what happen.
As for hollywood, their problem is not that they retold the storys, its that they did it badly.
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In Reply To #71
Who needs new scenarios when you can have remakes? :o And better yet, who needs meatloaf when you can have a nice juicy steak? :o
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I don't know, I don't find anything wrong with CV as it is right now. I understand everything perfectly fine, IGA's vanias included.
If someone wanted to make something as simple as they can, just go out and do that classic "Drac resurrects, Belmonts take up the whip to kill him", nothing more, nothing less. The old games were so simple that way.
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I kind of wish they would do that again.. after SOTN it seems like every GBA and DS CV game used the same explorative style.
I do miss the days of just going through a level fighting off bad guys making my war to drac.. only thing i do not miss is the time limits.. i hate timers.. i want to take my own friggen time getting through a level lol.
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I agree with you, especially about the timers.
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Hi everyone ;)
As for the curse, it's a guess. Iga said that Richter was the last Belmont to be recognised as a true Belmont by the whip before 1999 (hence he's the whip's avatar during the battles), so my guess is his son must have done something abominable enough to cause the whole "belmonts, gtfo and away from the whip" thing, that lasted until 1999.
Well, I think it could
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Well, I think it could
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hm...maybe because it happened a second time or something like that...
Well, I hope they will explain it in The Demon Castle Wars. And a explanation in the manual would be the least they could do *sigh*
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Maybe Richter becomes an alcoholic and can't get the whip back until he completes his 12 step program....sadly, Richter dies in a horse accident while riding under the influence.
But seriously, what could Richter do that would punish his family like that? I like the idea, I hope they do something like that, I just don't know what it could be.
Of course, maybe, since there are no Renard ancestors, maybe he kills Maria with the whip. I don't know why maybe something to do with the 'Maria turning into a demon ending' in SotN. Killing a pure soul with the Vampire Killer probably wouldn't be good....
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And despite that, we got Simon who had no trouble with the whip. Hell, he went and single handedly handed drac's ass to him.
It's Simon. I wouldn't expect anything less. >_>
When did it say that the Belmonts couldn't handle the whip in between Dracula's ressurections? Juste, Trevor in CoD, Simon in SQ, Richter in SotN, heck, Leon had the whip when Dracula was still Mathias.
IGA said something happened after SotN that caused the whip to be passed to the Morris family. That's the only instance of the whip being seperated from the Belmonts.
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It's Simon. I wouldn't expect anything less. >_>
When did it say that the Belmonts couldn't handle the whip in between Dracula's ressurections? Juste, Trevor in CoD, Simon in SQ, Richter in SotN, heck, Leon had the whip when Dracula was still Mathias.
IGA said something happened after SotN that caused the whip to be passed to the Morris family. That's the only instance of the whip being seperated from the Belmonts.
I believe Serio was referring to Simon having no trouble wielding the Vampire Killer even though he was cursed by Dracula.
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And Richter also wielded the Vampire Killer when you fought him in SotN.
Or am I missing something? ;_;
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That and the fact that even though the same thing that happens to richter happened to Simon's ancestor, they didn't have to give the whip to anyone else.
Which is why I think it wasn't Richter who caused the whole thing, but his son. Richter was still remembered as a hero by the whip (hell it uses him as its avatar), so I doubt if he were to shame the family to the point they couldn't even use the whip anymore he'd be remembered at all, and you'd probably fight someone else in pork.
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A Belmont gone awry of his own will? That'd be interesting to see, but I have a feeling that it'd be something minor like 'to wield ultimate powah for 1999, you must give it up till then' or the like.
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In Reply To #86
The Whip's Memory taking Richter's form just meant he was the last Belmondo to use it. It wasn't a matter of honor or anything.
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A Belmont gone awry of his own will? That'd be interesting to see, but I have a feeling that it'd be something minor like 'to wield ultimate powah for 1999, you must give it up till then' or the like.
I hate how Iga made the Belmonts lose the power to wield the Vampire Killer and I can totally see him copping out and using the " A Belmont mustn't use the Vampire Killer until 1999 for it to be at it's maximum strength" excuse. However, what if Richter was so ashamed of succumbing to Shaft's spell and, thinking that Dracula was finally defeated by Alucard, gave the Vampire Killer to the Morris'. I know it's pretty lackluster but I can't see it being done too many other ways since the Vampire Killer's last memory of a Belmont was Richter. If he trained his son to use it, his son would most likely be the whip's last memory of a Belmont.
Edit: Or maybe St. Germain could have had something to do with it.
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I'm tired of remakes. New material is next.
Also, there's plenty of timeline between the years 1094 & 1476.
I agree I wanna see some of this awesome power that caused the belmonts to become feared by everyone else and caused the pope to have an insanely hard time tracking Trevor/Ralph down for Legend of Demon Castle. (not that it's not present in the older games, they just really didn't have the tech at the time dealing with 2d sprites to show what the belmonts powers could possibly look like in real life)
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The timeline is not running out!!! As stated by others, there is plenty of time between 1094 (Lament of Innocence) and 1476 (Dracula's Curse). There is the possibility of extending the series after Dawn of Sorrow. What will happen to Soma after Dawn of Sorrow? It would be interesting to see if Soma eventually becomes the dark lord and/or if Genya Arikado reveals himself to Soma as Alucard. I mean there has to be some reason why he disguised himself. Yoko and Julius seem to know who he really is, so it has something to do with Soma and I would like to know what it is and I think that other people want to know to.