Castlevania Dungeon Forums

The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: crisis on January 22, 2014, 01:00:48 AM

Title: random question
Post by: crisis on January 22, 2014, 01:00:48 AM
how do the Belmonts and allies manage to escape the castle in record time before it is destroyed?
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Trevorcard on January 22, 2014, 01:08:05 AM
There could be a secret passage way out of castle from behind the throne room.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 22, 2014, 01:21:14 AM
I always assumed they jumped out of a nearby window nearby landing in the nearby river or forest off screen.

After all, each final boss battle throne room seems to have a nearby window.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Ahasverus on January 22, 2014, 01:25:08 AM
I always assumed they jumped out of a nearby window nearby landing in the nearby river or forest off screen.

After all, each final boss battle throne room seems to have a nearby window.
This. Double jump out of the window and swim to the shore. Or perhaps the cinematic is not played in real time (The Castle doesn't crumble inmediately but in some time)
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 22, 2014, 07:54:30 AM
As for the allies, they can either jump off with the Belmont or just use some sort of teleport magic.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Chernabogue on January 22, 2014, 08:02:46 AM
In CoD, there's a secret passageway behing the throne room of the abandonned castle.

I would love to have a sort of extra escape level, where the castle crumbles and you have to escape.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: shelverton. on January 22, 2014, 09:06:27 AM

I would love to have a sort of extra escape level, where the castle crumbles and you have to escape.

Yes! I want that too. Maybe if the final battle was a little more dramatic, where you defeat Drac but then the entire castle tries to kill you. You have to run, jump, slide and parkour like crazy through a crumbling castle. No QTE though. I'm thinking something like Super Metroid basically, albeit more and crazier.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: X on January 22, 2014, 04:07:53 PM
In CV64/LoD Reinhardt had to bail before the towers collapsed, but he didn't take any shortcuts. We also have the final cinematic scene in Rondo of Blood where Maria and her friends were escaping the collapsing castle and then dove out the window once they neared the outer wall.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Ratty on January 22, 2014, 06:19:51 PM
I would guess that most (but not all) of the time the Castle doesn't actually totally collapse for about an hour or so. Since in most endings the heroes appear to not only be outside the Castle but also at least a mile away.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: The Puritan on January 22, 2014, 10:57:36 PM
Julius probably had to GET TO DA CHOPPAH after beating Drac in '99.

Everyone else... yeah, I'll go with secret passages. I'd agree with the "castle doesn't crumble right away" hypothesis, but OOE, POR, and Maria's ending in Rondo all seem to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: X on January 22, 2014, 11:45:18 PM
Quote
Everyone else... yeah, I'll go with secret passages. I'd agree with the "castle doesn't crumble right away" hypothesis, but OOE, POR, and Maria's ending in Rondo all seem to suggest otherwise.

Not necessarily. The castle probably starts to collapse but it takes a while before it becomes visibly noticeable on a much larger scale. There is also the final scene in the Castlevania X68000 game where after Dracula dies you can see the castle start to dissolve around you. But it doesn't begin its full-on collapse until after Simon is out of the castle itself.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: theANdROId on January 23, 2014, 01:21:02 AM
Maybe the castle is like, "I'M GONNA CRUSH YOU!!  Nah, just kidding!  You beat me fair and square!  I am gonna crumble though, so you should, you know...probably get a safe distance away from here.  I'll wait."  X-D ;-P


But seriously, I like the idea of playing through a crazy rush out of the castle.  I definitely wouldn't want it to be a QTE, but I could handle if running was automatic and I just had to control other actions like turning, dodging, jumping, attacking, etc..
Title: Re: random question
Post by: GuyStarwind on January 23, 2014, 02:54:58 AM
Most of the Belmonts can fly so it's all good. For the ones that can't one of those eagles that carry flea men help them down.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: shelverton. on January 23, 2014, 07:22:36 AM

it would've been rather epic if at the end of Harmony of Dissonance, when the final boss is defeated, Juste runs through the crumbling castle only to be crushed under a random piece of furniture in his cluttered "Room of collectibles" on the way out. It would be a totally unnecessary and random and epic ending.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: son_the_vampire on January 24, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Dunno how the belmonts woulda made it out. But I know Jonathan probably just Sonic jumped to safety. But he's a wanna be so ehhhh
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on January 24, 2014, 06:19:16 PM
In CoD, there's a secret passageway behing the throne room of the abandonned castle.

I would love to have a sort of extra escape level, where the castle crumbles and you have to escape.

Play Legacy of Darkness or Castlevania 64.

It seems that they warp out if there's a dimensional warp at the final battle (again, Castlevania 64 and LoD do this), where upon destroying Drac they're transported to the quintessential 'nearby cliff'.

However, in Rondo of Blood, in Maria's ending, the cutscenes show her running off in record time (not sure how the Turtle runs with her) but she and her animal buddies make it out in record time.

In Castlevania Chronicles, you see the castle slightly disintegrating/dematerializing when you land the final blow to Dracula's final form, implying that the castle will slowly crumble as his magic starts to fade.

In Harmony of Dissonance, there's staircase in the area after the Throne Room.  Of course, in that game you don't fight Dracula there at all (in either Castle).
Title: Re: random question
Post by: theplottwist on January 24, 2014, 08:27:07 PM
I like to think that the Vampire Killer keeps the castle together just barely enough for the Belmont to escape. Like if it was protecting it's owner.

Not sure aout non-Belmont heroes, though.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 24, 2014, 08:43:11 PM
Dunno how the belmonts woulda made it out. But I know Jonathan probably just Sonic jumped to safety. But he's a wanna be so ehhhh

He's not the only ones who can sonic jump, we have Richter,Juste, and Julius who can also do that.

So pretty much all the Belmont heroes from Juste on up could just sonic jump all the way to safety easily out a window.

The others however like Simon,Trevor,and Christopher will either have to find a secret passage, run through the crumbling castle like crazy, or Jump out of a window and hope the fall doesn't kill them lol.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Anglachel on January 25, 2014, 06:03:05 PM
But what about the merchant?  ???
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on January 25, 2014, 08:33:06 PM
He was spared and many many years later it turned out he was cursed and became the Master Librarian. >.>
(hey they wear the same hat)
Title: Re: random question
Post by: X on January 26, 2014, 01:21:12 AM
Quote
He was spared and many many years later it turned out he was cursed and became the Master Librarian. >.>
(hey they wear the same hat)

Except the merchant wears plaid while the librarian doesn't, lol.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 26, 2014, 03:53:27 AM
Except the merchant wears plaid while the librarian doesn't, lol.

Fashion change, perhaps?  ;)
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Claimh Solais on January 26, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
I feel I should point out in the ending to Lament of Innocence, the castle began to crumble after Death's defeat, and Leon ran out in record time.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 26, 2014, 10:27:17 PM
I feel I should point out in the ending to Lament of Innocence, the castle began to crumble after Death's defeat, and Leon ran out in record time.

well to be fair Lament of Innocence castle was not only a different castle than Castlevania, but also pretty darn small compared to all the other incarnations of Castlevania.

Hell, even Curse of Darkness Castle was bigger than the one from Lament of Innocence.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: KaZudra on January 29, 2014, 10:36:52 PM
well to be fair Lament of Innocence castle was not only a different castle than Castlevania, but also pretty darn small compared to all the other incarnations of Castlevania.

Hell, even Curse of Darkness Castle was bigger than the one from Lament of Innocence.

Well, The developers did state that CoD's smallest area was larger than LoI's largest area, that being said it was unfortunate that CoD lacked the detail LoI had
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 30, 2014, 03:08:55 AM
Well, The developers did state that CoD's smallest area was larger than LoI's largest area, that being said it was unfortunate that CoD lacked the detail LoI had

IGA's team can't handle 3D environments well.  :(
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Morning star on February 03, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
I am a new guy here, but as a fan of this franchise since the first game was released i always figured this.. After killing a town sized castle full of monsters, death and Dracula, maybe the Belmont just demands that the castle stay standing while he slowly walks out. You know, like a real man would  8)
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Abnormal Freak on February 03, 2014, 11:32:01 AM
Maybe only the Vampire Killer in their hand knows for sure...




(POSTIN' IT IN CASE THE REFERENCE ISN'T CLEAR)

Mega Man X Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGs4wGi63DA#)
Title: Re: random question
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 03, 2014, 12:41:40 PM
well to be fair Lament of Innocence castle was not only a different castle than Castlevania, but also pretty darn small compared to all the other incarnations of Castlevania.

Hell, even Curse of Darkness Castle was bigger than the one from Lament of Innocence.

Is there any evidence it was a different Castle? Most Castlevania games feature the actual castle or at least its ruins/remains (aside from DOS). A castle shrouded in Eternal night where a Vampire could exist in an awakened state 24/7 males logistical sense. (although some games such as Super CV IV's ending contradict this) I would still claim LOI takes precedence and it's not like you'd ever get to Drac's throne room and he's hang a sign saying "taking a dirtnap..."

The castle is a creature of darkness which Mathias had no control over before LOI, assuming when he built up his power by CV III the Castle came back it was different as was he. I believe LOI's Castle is Castlevania. They simply made it more reasonably scaled like the actual Castle Dracula. (although still had some crazy stuff like those elevators) Mathias was still weak and he abandoned the Castle at that time, so after Death was killed by Leon, there was no dark forces holding the Castle together anymore. The fact that it crumbled after this and Mathias specifically left Death to kill Leon reinforces this imo.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Julius Belmont on March 21, 2014, 06:51:58 PM
I just jumped out a window.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Somacula on March 21, 2014, 07:32:56 PM
I always thought that the Belmonts were just that fast, and ran outside in the time (usually seconds) that the castle crumbles. Think about it, they're slaying all kinds of monsters and bosses, while exploring a huge castle all in one night. Simon's running and jumping speed is pretty apparent in Chronicles, where the falling bridge pieces seem so slow in comparison. Ditto to Richter doing the same in Rondo of Blood. I've never seen a Belmont using teleport magic, which is what Alucard/Soma presumably used as well as Julia after CoD.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 23, 2014, 01:00:22 AM
I like to think that the Vampire Killer keeps the castle together just barely enough for the Belmont to escape. Like if it was protecting it's owner.

That's an interesting point. The one time the castle doesn't crumble (after it's sealed in the eclipse) it doesn't crumble. Coincidentally, Julius specifically states he left the VK in Castle [Eclipse] to weaken it. Granted if the Castle is sealed in the eclipse it will only temporarily manifest in the physical world. However, this could mean that the VK potentially correlates to the Castle being somewhat stable.

(Side note: I think the fact Julius left the VK in CV is interesting, he would have been young when he destroyed Dracula, and perhaps the other reason for doing it is that the VK acquires strength when not used by the Belmonts - between SOTN>1999 they didn't touch it)
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Morning star on March 24, 2014, 04:08:10 AM
I heard that this is a video game. As such, it never really happens. Whatever story you want to make up is good enough. If it works for you, that's all that matters.
Title: Re: random question
Post by: theANdROId on March 24, 2014, 08:18:18 PM
I heard that this is a video game. As such, it never really happens. Whatever story you want to make up is good enough. If it works for you, that's all that matters.

X-D  You funny!
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Morning star on March 25, 2014, 02:42:09 AM
X-D  You funny!

I couldn't help it ;D
Title: Re: random question
Post by: Shinobi on March 25, 2014, 06:22:08 PM
I thought that since all of the monsters or enemies was killed or gone, they won't be a hindrance anymore so any Belmont or heroes has enough time to escape before the castle crumbles.

Kinda reminds me of House of the Dead credit sequence, the player went all away from the last stage to the first stage and it just take a few minutes until he gets out from Curien mansion.