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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Dark Nemesis on March 13, 2014, 11:24:53 AM
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http://nintendoeverything.com/lords-of-shadow-producer-believes-the-days-of-2d-castlevania-games-are-gone/ (http://nintendoeverything.com/lords-of-shadow-producer-believes-the-days-of-2d-castlevania-games-are-gone/)
David Cox, producer of the Castlevania: Lords of Shadows series, believes that the days of 2D Castlevania games are gone.
Cox told GamesTM this month that even though hardcore gamers would appreciate a new 2D Castlevania, “the reality is that it’s a very niche market and Konami really want this series to be mainstream again.” He wouldn’t rule out a new 2D title completely, though it wouldn’t come from MercurySteam.
You can find Cox’s full comments below.
I think those days are gone, yes. I think hardcore gamers would love to play another 2D Castlevania, but the reality is that it’s a very niche market and Konami really want this series to be mainstream again.
We took this direction in order to reach that bigger audience, otherwise we would have carried on with the 2D approach. That’s not to say I don’t think there will ever be another 2D game in the series, it might happen but just not from MercurySteam.
When you look at the future on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, I don’t think people want to play 2D games on those consoles. Core gamers may still want something like that, but there’s an expectation among the wider public for big, epic games.
And thank god that it will not be from Mercury, since their attempt with Mirror of Fate was a dissaster, as for that 2D games are gone, personally that's a bullshit for me. He only say's that, because he wasn't and he's not able to make him self a 2D Castlevania game.
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I always tend to hate "mainstream" talk because I usually don't find myself aligned with mainstream ideals.
I understand the need to make CV mainstream(and in the spotlight), but I think there is no defintive way in doing it. I still think all those who say, "You have to change something to be like THIS!" are short-sighted and have a flawed perspective of actuality. They seem to think, just because you change something means you are guaranteed success. You aren't really guaranteed ANYTHING, to be honest. It really still is just as much a gamble as ever, and there are even a LOT of examples of reboots that are made to be more mainstream that fail to gain an audience. I wish people were more open about THAT kind of thing. It's funny how people can be so sure of themselves that their way is the right way. You can have faith in what you are doing is great, but to come out and say, "This is the way it is, no 'if's, 'and's or 'but's! I know the way of the world and this is a definitive TRUTH that has NEVER failed!".
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To be fair, in context it seems he was talking about consoles but not handhelds. But it's not like Cox succeeded in reaching that mainstream audience after MoF and LoS2 flopped.
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We can't really say LoS2 is a flop yet, as it hasn't even been out a month. I think the only sales data we have is for the UK, but even considering what we have, it may have sold less than Lords of Shadow 1, but it still sold more than any other Castlevania game, so by your logic all of the games prior to this series have been flops, so its in good company.
Also, console wise, yes I do believe he's correct. When it comes to consoles, the Americas and Europe basically buy them all. Japan as a console market has been and continues to shrink, with focus and interest heading towards handheld and mobile games. Japanese game companies, if they want to continue to make games for consoles, AAA quality or not, basically have no choice but to tailor games to what western audiences will buy if they want to remain profitable.
I believe if we get any more 2D Castlevanias they will be for the 3DS or something akin to Adventure ReBirth, made for download from PSN, XBM, or Nintendos eShop.
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I think the only sales data we have is for the UK, but even considering what we have, it may have sold less than Lords of Shadow 1, but it still sold more than any other Castlevania game, so by your logic all of the games prior to this series have been flops, so its in good company.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/)
True, we only have the UK numbers to go by. It was outsold by virtually every other game, even Tales Of Symphonia Chronicles. But you seem to be pulling the whole 'i-it still outsold all the other Castlevania games!' thing out of your butt. There are no numbers that indicate that Lords 2 outsold any other Castlevania game. That is, unless you are going by VGchartz which absolutely nobody here or on other forums takes seriously.
Also a multi-million dollar "AAA!" game flopping hard is a lot worse than a handheld game made with a budget of thousands with reused assets underperforming.
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Indeed, people don't want to play 2D games on their PS4/XB1...oh wait...
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/03/10/february-2014-playstation-store-top-sellers/ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/03/10/february-2014-playstation-store-top-sellers/)
Why is Strider #1 on the February top sellers list then?
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/)
True, we only have the UK numbers to go by. It was outsold by virtually every other game, even Tales Of Symphonia Chronicles. But you seem to be pulling the whole 'i-it still outsold all the other Castlevania games!' thing out of your butt. There are no numbers that indicate that Lords 2 outsold any other Castlevania game. That is, unless you are going by VGchartz which absolutely nobody here or on other forums takes seriously.
Also a multi-million dollar "AAA!" game flopping hard is a lot worse than a handheld game made with a budget of thousands with reused assets underperforming.
I was going by what Ahasverus said. I assumed he had credibility.
And yes, if its a flop that would be bad, I don't believe I ever said otherwise, and I'm sure that Konami had sales expectations for Lords of Shadow 2 that were higher than that of Lords of Shadow 1. I don't expect the game to meet their sales expectations, because oftentimes these expectations are ridiculously inflated.
Square Enix considered the Tomb Raider reboot, to be a failure after all.
Indeed, people don't want to play 2D games on their PS4/XB1...oh wait...
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/03/10/february-2014-playstation-store-top-sellers/ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/03/10/february-2014-playstation-store-top-sellers/)
Why is Strider #1 on the February top sellers list then?
Because its a very well done game that is only $14.99 and your link is for just the PSN listing of the Playstation 4, a system whose early adopters are dying to have something to play on it. Also, I specifically said if we got another 2D Castlevania game on a console it would be as something you just download from PSN, XBM, or the eShop.
Exactly like this Strider game you linked.
So... I don't even know the point you're trying to make since your post does not contradict anything I said.
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Bergaron says 2D Castlevania is still alive at Konami, I'm hopeful David's words won't come to fruition. 2D Castlevania is the reason I like the brand to begin with.
I don't expect to hear anything more for a few years.
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All he implied was that console games would probably never return to being 2D, which is basically how its been since Castlevania Chronicles. I would be shocked if we didn't get another 2D digital release or handheld release.
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Ninja Gaiden series never went back on 2d in current generation consoles so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same case as Castlevania series. Also IGA did the same route as Cox did, 3d on current generation consoles(Lament of innocence and Curse of Darkness) and 2d or 2.5d on handheld/digital downloads.
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Are you following some kind of agenda posting old news about the 2D games? This was discussed like three weeks ago. Operation Akumajou is it you?
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True, we only have the UK numbers to go by. It was outsold by virtually every other game, even Tales Of Symphonia Chronicles. But you seem to be pulling the whole 'i-it still outsold all the other Castlevania games!' thing out of your butt. There are no numbers that indicate that Lords 2 outsold any other Castlevania game. That is, unless you are going by VGchartz which absolutely nobody here or on other forums takes seriously.
We have Cox, and for all his lies, this is the one subject I really tend to trust him on.
He's tweeted both:
CVLOS2 was the number one selling game on both PS3 & XBox360 in France according to latest GFK figures! Tres bien! Merci!!
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Eurogamer on UK charts..."Mind you, LOS2 still recorded the second best week-one sales in the entire Castlevania franchise (behind LOS1)"
So it's not exactly coming out of anyone's butts. We don't know if it's flopped until all is said and done, regardless of what one headline proclaims.
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And that's what happens when the sales argument is brought up: we start talking about other people's butts.
In other words, this discussion is going nowhere -- especially since we don't have any actual numbers to go by. Let's wait until we have at least some inkling of how well LoS2 sold before musing on how much of a flop it is.
Also, declaring that "LoS2 sold better than any other Castlevania game" is just asking for trouble. It may be statistically true, but it's entirely devoid of meaning. So let's not go down that path again.
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can i say cv1 is the most successful game in teh franchise cuz it spawned hundreds of sequels?
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This is the oldest news... Seriously.
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We have Cox, and for all his lies, this is the one subject I really tend to trust him on.
He's tweeted both:And:
So it's not exactly coming out of anyone's butts. We don't know if it's flopped until all is said and done, regardless of what one headline proclaims.
I hate to be stubborn, but remember him lying in regards to Contra 4 selling poorly when Hulett himself said it sold better than what Konami expected?
Plus there was the whole thing with Konami Europe Twitter doing the whole "Lords 2 is getting rave reviews!"...after Metacritic had it at 63/100.
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I don´t (never) take Cox´s words as a rule. It´s his opinion, after all, the last word is for Konami, as the games come from it.
...But yeah, old news...
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Are you following some kind of agenda posting old news about the 2D games? This was discussed like three weeks ago. Operation Akumajou is it you?
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This is the oldest news... Seriously.
Old or new, for some people, including my self, are new, but i wouldn't expect anything less from people who are following blindly whatever they throw to them and i'm talking like this, because your passion about the LoS serries and your hate about Iga and the latest 2D Castlevania games, has become cliche.
Cox from the start, didn't have any respect for the old fans of the serries and he proves it again, by calling us niche market. Tombias, leader and singer of the band Edguy, changed the band's music style and the old fans went disappointed and he response that this is the way he wants to go on, so the old fans they turned their selves away, so guess what? At their last album, he went back to their old style. My point? It's us, the old fans who have kepted the series alive. The logic of Konami and Cox about mainstream market, doesn't have to be connected with the old series, since the casual and mainstream gamers who have peaked LoS games, they don't have any idea what Castlevania it's looking before LoS games.
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but i wouldn't expect anything less from people who are following blindly whatever they throw to them and i'm talking like this, because your passion about the LoS serries and your hate about Iga and the latest 2D Castlevania games, has become cliche.
as cliche as the people who blindly defend IGA and deny he did ANYTHING wrong or bad? Not calling you out on it specifically or anything, but it goes both ways for sure.
I defend LoS because I see the positive in it and I just liked it because my tastes are different. I can admit fault where I see it, and the LoS series is not free of them. It has it's faux pas just as the older games do.
IGA tends to get singled out because he's done more harm than good when you look at what became of the series in the later years. many people resent him for that, and see him as the man who almost killed castlevania.
And I would have to agree. As much as I love games like Aria and Lament, I feel he just lost his touch really quickly, and when landed opportunities, squandered them with "sequel" games, or things like Judgement and HD. His development process is also somewhat flawed, as he has a gimmick driven design philosophy. By itself this isn't bad, but for Castlevania? It wasn't exactly needed either. At least not in the form it took on.
I like IGA. I do. he seems like a fun guy, and I genuinely loved some of his Castlevania games. But I was extremely displeased with his later efforts, which was compounded by his admissions that his handhelds got above average budgets for handhelds.
Then i see LoS, and I see it as getting way too much undeserved hatred, for things it's predecessors did too.
It also saved the series from getting killed off, by introducing fresh blood into it. New perspective on the vision, a wider audience to sell it better, and it didn't stray too far from the core, aside from the story of a Belmont becoming Dracula. And yet, Belmonts being related to Dracula is not new, and Legends did it first. people STILL give IGA flak for retconning it out of existence, despite that. So obviously those people are totally ok with it there.
Of course this is all just my opinion mind you, but don't start spouting nonsense and putting thoughts in my head. I'm not going to blindly defend what came before all because I don't like what comes after. Even before LoS I was criticizing IGA's practices, while lauding the ones I thought were fine.
Cox from the start, didn't have any respect for the old fans of the serries and he proves it again, by calling us niche market.
Truth hurts, doesn't it? He's partially right. The kind of 2D castlevanias we were getting from IGA were only being sold and catered to one group. "oldschool" Castlevania fans. And that's not even counting some fans, who don't like metroidvania and never bought them, and believe me, those fans do exist. The ones who were never on board with SotN's radical changes to the formula, and feel as strongly about metroidvania as some people feel about LoSvania.
Metroidvania itself is a pretty small more niche subgenre. It's only recently gained more popularity because every other indie game wants to be one. The fact is, the poor production values of the later IGA games, along with the controversial decisions as far as art and story, didn't do it any favors. Aria was the last Castlevania game I recall hearing any sort of anything about as a big deal. After that, quality declined, and 'the mainstream" picked up on that and just wasnt interested anymore. There's also a huge backlog of history to the franchise and it's timeline, which matters, since the majority of IGA's games were sequels that expanded on older games plots. HoD, Aria and Lament are literally his only original story entries into the main series that don't rely on preexisting characters or story elements. And OoE is iffy, since it deals with the Post-Symphony setting after Richter was possessed and the Belmonts went into hiding. That's like, 3 games out of what, 8, not counting remakes and spin offs?
Tombias, leader and singer of the band Edguy, changed the band's music style and the old fans went disappointed and he response that this is the way he wants to go on, so the old fans they turned their selves away, so guess what? At their last album, he went back to their old style. My point?
I don't think it's quite the same to compare a videogame to a band. Music is even more niche and target based than videogames ever were.
It's us, the old fans who have kepted the series alive.
And how many old fans are there? how many that still buy CV games? do you think there are enough to make back Konami's investments as production costs get higher with each generation? I mean, we keep demanding quality, but when we get high quality, it doesn't get back it's budget, and when we get low quality, fans don't buy it because it's low quality, and instead demand quality.
The logic of Konami and Cox about mainstream market, doesn't have to be connected with the old series, since the casual and mainstream gamers who have peaked LoS games, they don't have any idea what Castlevania it's looking before LoS games.
You'd be surprised how many "mainstream" gamers have played LoS as their first CV game and then decided to go back to the older games. Many simply were never attracted by the older games for whatever reason. Either they weren't around for the Classicvania days, or they were put off by the bishounen art of Ayami Kojima, or just didn't feel up to buying the game that was a sequel, because they didn't ant to be confused by the story, who knows. But then loS appeals to them, they like it, and they look into the franchise. They see that it's back from the NES days, and decide to go back to the past.
My first Castlevania game was Aria of Sorrow. After I played it, I played Castlevania 1 and 3. probably not too comparable, since it was still part of the same overall timeline, but gameplay and stylewise, Aria really has NOTHING to do with Castlevania 1. they are completely different. Same for LoS and previous CV games.
Castlevania used to be a mainstream game, as much as you may hate to admit that a game you like was "mainstream". CV2 was on the cover of Nintendo Power, THE videogame magazine of the day. As time went on, and the series got stuck on handhelds, it just lost mainstream power due to a lack of consistent console outings. And a lack of good marketing. LoS sought to fix that, and it did it pretty well. I'm pretty confident that the next CV game we see, be it loS or otherwise, will be a console game, even if it's a downloadable game. (I sure hope not- and if it is, they better fucking advertise it)
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heres the solution: konami shoulda catered to both groups (niche metroidvania fans) by making canon 2D games for the 3ds (we prolly wouldve been at least 2 games deep by now) or digital releases, and the big-budget, reboot los-style games continue on mainstream consoles
whats wrong with that. more moneys in konamis pockets and all fans would be satisfied
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I am agree...
...at least that we have a Castlevania game.
In the end, I am sure that we are going to buy both games (2d and 3d) as CV fans we are...
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I would even buy a vector graphics Castlevania.
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This is the oldest news... Seriously.
First all, I agree.
Second, I must say I enjoyed LOS2 more than Mirror of Fate HD. Am I the only one that thought that game was EXTREMELY boring? And I really wanted to like that game. I did enjoy the nods to some of the classic games, but I didn't even finish the game.
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Well, I think that one of my major complaints about MoF is its gameplay. Its seems that MS wants to preserve LoS spirit in it, and for that reason feels like a hack n slash in 2D.
MoF is not a bad game. Just can be better...
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Has noone tried to mod the 3 LoS games? ARE they even moddable? even if its just musical mods and shit?
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I don´t (never) take Cox´s words as a rule. It´s his opinion, after all, the last word is for Konami, as the games come from it.
...But yeah, old news...
The thing is, it shouldn't be Cox's opinion. At least, as far as he's speaking as a representative for Konami. On his off time, when he's not PRing for Konami, go ahead. But as a producer for Konami, to the gaming press, he(and other folks in the industry) would be wise to hold their tongues and not say things that might come back to bite them in the ass. Imagine a 2D CV IS being made in Japan, the homebase(as far as Konami's concerned, Konami of America and Konami of Europe are nothing by comparison). Then it would be like, "Oops, well....". That's why you don't say stupid things you might regret. And I know people tend to say, "Hey, they are human. They make mistakes!", but those mistakes are not for US to learn from, but THEM. If you keep on spouting off and make it a habit of saying stupid things, and don't learn from them, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve all the scorn you get from people you've pissed off.
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Yes, you´re right.
After all, is just another phrase coming from David Cox. I have to say that I don´t share his thoughs about gaming. Although, gaming nowadays is very oriented to financial success, so the company and producer will always search for a successful game, appealing to a major audience in the process...
...But still I don´t like that guys words...
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I hate to be stubborn, but remember him lying in regards to Contra 4 selling poorly when Hulett himself said it sold better than what Konami expected?
Plus there was the whole thing with Konami Europe Twitter doing the whole "Lords 2 is getting rave reviews!"...after Metacritic had it at 63/100.
I remember Cox saying Contra 4 was niche, and that Konami needed to do something new with it to make it "big", but I don't remember him saying it sold poorly.
The latter is just marketing. Konami has nothing to gain lying about sales.
I don´t (never) take Cox´s words as a rule. It´s his opinion, after all, the last word is for Konami, as the games come from it.
Dave Cox isn't a small fish or anything. He's high enough up the Konami ladder to choose what projects he gets to work on and with which studios.
Not that he can't say anything independent of Konami or anything, but sometimes the best you're going to get from Konami IS a statement from Dave Cox. That's how it was with the "Lords of Shadow is the best selling Castlevania"
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Keep in mind also that Konami UK isn't Konami JP. What konami UK thinks doesn't make any impact on what Konami JP thinks, and in many cases, Konami UK probably doesnt really talk with JP that often on anything and is out of the loop unless it's for localization.
Remember when that guy from Capcom EU said that nonsense about "the fans not caring enough" and "it was the fans job to make the game" in regards to the legends 3 project? yeah. He was talkiung out of his ass and didn't know what the fuck he was saying despite being Capcom.
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Keep in mind also that Konami UK isn't Konami JP. What konami UK thinks doesn't make any impact on what Konami JP thinks, and in many cases, Konami UK probably doesnt really talk with JP that often on anything and is out of the loop unless it's for localization.
Remember when that guy from Capcom EU said that nonsense about "the fans not caring enough" and "it was the fans job to make the game" in regards to the legends 3 project? yeah. He was talkiung out of his ass and didn't know what the fuck he was saying despite being Capcom.
Very true, but when Konami UK is in charge of a project, I'm going to be looking at Konami UK's opinions for anything other than future direction
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heres the solution: konami shoulda catered to both groups (niche metroidvania fans) by making canon 2D games for the 3ds (we prolly wouldve been at least 2 games deep by now) or digital releases, and the big-budget, reboot los-style games continue on mainstream consoles
whats wrong with that. more moneys in konamis pockets and all fans would be satisfied
I think the result is opposite, more money will loose if they made a cv game for niche metroidvania fans and there's a risk that the sales will not exceed from the proposed budget to make a very long metroidvania game. The sales from Order of ecclesia must not have covered up or exceeded enough from the losses Konami or IGA made while making the game well that's my opinion anyway.
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Drink every time Cox uses the words "big", "epic", and "mainstream".
I'm not against more 3D 'vania, but hopefully the next one takes a different direction.
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Drink every time Cox uses the words "big", "epic", and "mainstream".
You ought to be dead drunk by now with all those shots. hehehe.
heres the solution: konami shoulda catered to both groups (niche metroidvania fans) by making canon 2D games for the 3ds (we prolly wouldve been at least 2 games deep by now) or digital releases, and the big-budget, reboot los-style games continue on mainstream consoles
I agree with this. I will definitely buy all those handheld releases.
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David Cox, stuck is Cox into Castlevania and ruined it for everybody. He wrote the entire game, literally, as well as produced it.
No wait, that unoffiicial Konami team, who made Symphony of the Night ruined the series, by giving Dracula a heart. Cox is being cocky, because he knows how easy it is to make these games. Castlevania too perfect to damage, how much abuse can it stand?
What I really do not get is how Cox decided to make this a head hunt for "Gods right hand man". Another thing that confuses me, is how they damaged DEATH's appearance. I will admit LOS1 and LOS2 did have good representations of death itself, but apparently none of these deaths are the real death itself. DEATH, in Innocence seems to be the real deal, he even have the crown but not the fighting capability...which is also confusing.
Cox saying 2d is dead, is just saying, he can reuse as much as he wants for whatever games in the future. So far, Devil May Cry and LOTS is the same game.
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"but the reality is that it’s a very niche market and Konami really want this series to be mainstream again."
This is the problem, 2d games of course aren't dead and Cox knows that very well. I don't recall 2d games selling like crazy except a few titles. And Konami doesn't want to risk loosing money after MoF even though there might be other solutions to that problem that they are not considering right now.
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I agree with this. I will definitely buy all those handheld releases.
This is what I've been saying all along. The majority of people who bought a DS and Castlevania would want to buy those sorts of games for 3DS. No matter which way it's looked at MOF did nothing to enrich the 2d series at all. LOS worked well as 3d, it should not have been translated to a purely 2d platform.
In order to have the monopoly, keep the old canon alive on handhelds to cater to the niche fans and the new canon alive on consoles to cater to the hardcore fans and the new fans. Who in the hell doesn't want a new proper 2d CV?
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You may think that Contra sold poorly if you try to compare its numbers to anything other than Konamis own expectations, but if it sold more than they expected it to, then yes the game sold well because they got out of it more than they hoped to. Since sales expectations are often inflated even on the most niche projects that number doesn't just mean they broke even, it means they made a good profit, which in the end is all Konami cares about.
If they made a nice little Castlevania Sim for iOS devices where you just play as Dracula and build and manage his Castle and all the creatures in it while using them to fend off would be do gooders and they wanted it to sell 100 copies, if it sold just 110 copies that would mean it was a success.
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If they made a nice little Castlevania Sim for iOS devices where you just play as Dracula and build and manage his Castle and all the creatures in it while using them to fend off would be do gooders and they wanted it to sell 100 copies, if it sold just 110 copies that would mean it was a success.
That's... actually kind of a cool idea for a game.
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This is what I've been saying all along. The majority of people who bought a DS and Castlevania would want to buy those sorts of games for 3DS. No matter which way it's looked at MOF did nothing to enrich the 2d series at all. LOS worked well as 3d, it should not have been translated to a purely 2d platform.
In order to have the monopoly, keep the old canon alive on handhelds to cater to the niche fans and the new canon alive on consoles to cater to the hardcore fans and the new fans. Who in the hell doesn't want a new proper 2d CV?
You guys expect to make another canon/metroidvania after the much/lower sale on the third NDS title? MOF's situation wasn't really expecting or predictable considering the success of Lords of Shadow while Metroidvania is already proven that the sales is getting worse unlike the old days.
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To be fair to MoF, it was barely advertised and the average scores probably didn't help. I imagine with the Halloween sale and the upcoming Steam release it'll do a bit better than its initial 3DS release.
If there is a future 2D Metroidvania by IGA, M2, or Wayforward, I'd imagine it'd be along the lines of Adventure ReBirth -a downloadable title with mostly new stuff with some reused sprites to contain the costs. I think a lot of people would be OK with that.
Or just let JoyMasher have a crack at it.
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For the last time, i'm not defending Iga or any other game producer. I know the flaws for each one. All that i care right now is for a new 2D Castlevania game, Be it handheld, digital download, i don't care. I really like 3D games, but nothing can beat the magic of 2D sprites. A new 2D Castlevania game it the vein of CotM, that doesn't have to do anything with the old canon, would be the best option for me.
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David Cox, stuck is Cox into Castlevania and ruined it for everybody. He wrote the entire game, literally, as well as produced it.
No wait, that unoffiicial Konami team, who made Symphony of the Night ruined the series, by giving Dracula a heart. Cox is being cocky, because he knows how easy it is to make these games. Castlevania too perfect to damage, how much abuse can it stand?
What I really do not get is how Cox decided to make this a head hunt for "Gods right hand man". Another thing that confuses me, is how they damaged DEATH's appearance. I will admit LOS1 and LOS2 did have good representations of death itself, but apparently none of these deaths are the real death itself. DEATH, in Innocence seems to be the real deal, he even have the crown but not the fighting capability...which is also confusing.
Cox saying 2d is dead, is just saying, he can reuse as much as he wants for whatever games in the future. So far, Devil May Cry and LOTS is the same game.
this is a very unique post. welcome to The dungeon :)
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Don't forget something: we are the hardcore fans.
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David Cox, stuck is Cox into Castlevania and ruined it for everybody. He wrote the entire game, literally, as well as produced it.
No wait, that unoffiicial Konami team, who made Symphony of the Night ruined the series, by giving Dracula a heart. Cox is being cocky, because he knows how easy it is to make these games. Castlevania too perfect to damage, how much abuse can it stand?
What I really do not get is how Cox decided to make this a head hunt for "Gods right hand man". Another thing that confuses me, is how they damaged DEATH's appearance. I will admit LOS1 and LOS2 did have good representations of death itself, but apparently none of these deaths are the real death itself. DEATH, in Innocence seems to be the real deal, he even have the crown but not the fighting capability...which is also confusing.
Cox saying 2d is dead, is just saying, he can reuse as much as he wants for whatever games in the future. So far, Devil May Cry and LOTS is the same game.
wat
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Put it this way:
David Cox, stuck his Cox into Castlevania
And the post takes on a whole new meaning. Which is why we must ask ourselves:
how much abuse can it stand?
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wat
Joke character.
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What is this?
I don't even...
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Remember Cox has no real power in the studio. Enric Alvarez is the one responsible for LoS.
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I found this from an ancient NeoGaf thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75273&highlight=castlevania (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75273&highlight=castlevania)
"We knew that Castlevania DS was already a highly anticipated title, and we are very pleased, not only with the commercial success, but also with the critical acclaim that the product received from both consumers and the editorial community. The game has exceeded our expectations and we continue to see solid re-orders at retail," Product Manager Matt Knoles said.
The game was the #2 portable SKU for the month of October, with about 77,000 copies sold, according to NPD.
The game's brisk first-month sales and solid legs seem to indicate many things, all of which are positive for Konami. It shows that the franchise has a loyal fan base that will follow the franchise to new hardware. It also seems to indicate that Castlevania awareness has deepening roots within the hardcore community. Despite the DS's installed base being entirely dwarfed by that of the GBA, DoS' launch performance was very comparable to the launches of all three GBA releases.
At least Dawn of Sorrow seemed to be a rather rousing success.
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I had no idea Dawn of Sorrow sold so well.
I guess Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia didn't do so hot then, or the idea that the DS Vanias sold terribly is bogus conjecture.
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Stupid IGA killing the franchise with 77k sales
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i recall iga saying in several interviews that if said game sold well, then theyll make more. so if por sold poorly then how did ooe get greenlit? and sheesh, ooe may not have sold a million units but it was still critically acclaimed, doesnt that count for something? mof, while i enjoyed it for what it was, was still a step backwards from ooe in many ways. i just fear that konami may look at mof and say "well that didnt go so well, theres no audience for handheld 2d castlevania anymore"
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I believe there will be another game on 3DS eventually, probably not anytime soon though.
Perhaps IGA will drop a hint at GDC.
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I knew DOS had to have sold well, because it took me about 2 months to buy a copy.
It was literally sold out on every shelf in my city, there wasn't even external stock available. I ended up importing it from the UK. (and yes, She was all that)
The 3DS is a great console, and would be prime for more DS castlevania, the only thing I fear is that for commercial games (MOF, ALBW, etc) the majority all seem to use 3D graphics which has worked well for some franchises and not so much for others. What I'm saying is potentially for a new 3DSVania, if it isn't a 2D game with sprites and pixels then it really doesn't interest me. 3D CV will always belong to consoles, true 2D CV should retain its position on handhelds.
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Perhaps IGA will drop a hint at GDC.
IS anyone going to the GDC?
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DoS sold better than LoS2 on it's month launch... costing 1/10th of the budget of LoS2... think about it...
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DoS sold better than LoS2 on it's month launch... costing 1/10th of the budget of LoS2... think about it...
You keep repeating that as if it was a triumph. The old series wasn't rebooted because reboots were cool, itwasn't selling, if the new series flops too the whole series is dead. DoS was like 10 years ago? Ecclesia flopped hard and judgmeny sold peanuts. You might hate LoS but it was what Castlevania was for 4 years, and if it faild Castlevania dies with it. It had an end anyway so you should be hoping it sold good enough for the series to continue as something else, but nooo, let's badmouth it to hell and back and rejoice on his failure.. Wait there won't be anymore CV games? Whyy, konami is so stupid.
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I'm just saying that LoS2 was a mega flop, I'm not saying nothing about being happy or seeing this a triumph. It doesn't make any sense what you're saying. I couldn't care less if LoS sold well or poor.
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I don't understand how 55k in 4 days, not counting the PC sales is somehow worse than 77k in total in 30 days.
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I don't understand how 55k in 4 days, not counting the PC sales is somehow better than 77k in total in 30 days.
worse*
But I see what you're saying. Despite what they might say, I know there are at least a few people on this forum actively hoping for LoS2 to bomb.
But now that IGA's gone, DOES IT REALLY MATTER?
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Ah yes, what an unfortunate typo.
Well I think it matters. Because unlike some people that feel the need to pick a side in some kind of fictional war, I want the series to succeed no matter what form it takes, and just because I love the Lords of Shadow series, does not mean I hated the IGA games, or was not looking forward to another one. Which I was, and even partly expected was coming next.