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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: darkwzrd4 on March 27, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
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As we all know, in the old cannon, Alucard's mother, Lisa, was executed because she used medicine to alleviate the suffering of the sick and it was mistaken for witchcraft. Alucard witnessed her execution and her final words were: "do not harm humans. if you do nothing, then at least do them no harm for their's is already a hard lot."
Now then, we don't know exactly how old Alucard was at the time, but we do know he loved his mother. So, the question is: despite Lisa's final words, do you think that Alucard went on a rampage and kill humans to avenge his mother?
WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS?
Personally, I think he would have. Regardless of your age, losing a loved one is emotionally painful and if they were killed right in front of you, you become emotional and likely lose control of your emotions. Let's also not forget that Alucard is half-vampire and in such an emotional state, his vampiric instincts might over power his will.
So, yes I do think that after Lisa was killed, Alucard went on a rampage and slaughtered everyone how was there. I'm not saying that he didn't feel remorse afterward. I'm just saying that the lose of someone he loved so much would cause him to lose control of himself.
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I find that to be an interesting theory, but I don't think Alucard did anything of the sort. His main difference from Dracula was that he was unwilling to harm humans, and his speech after being Dracula in SotN shows how deeply Lisa's words resonated within him. He understands that humans can be stupid and barbaric, but he can't hold it against them because his mother's compassion has showed him that humans are capable of great good as well as evil.
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alucard used to be evil, remember what Death said "i will not ask you to return to our side.. but i demand you ceize your attack!"
so who knows
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I am pretty sure that Alucard follow his mother´s last words. I mean, if he really loves and respect his mother, then he will follow his words to honor her. I cannot think of Alucard broke that petition...
...Yeah, he is a half vampire, but a half human, too. Maybe before Lisa´s death he fight against humanity (as a vampire), but lets remember that even Lisa´s words change a little bit the lord Dracula in the SoTN ending (did I need to use spoiler tag?) after hearing Lisa´s last words from his son. "Lisa, forgive me. Farewell my son"... Dracula really loves Lisa.
EDIT: In the Nightmare part (in SoTN), the Sucubbus (in Lisa´s disguise) tells Alucard that he "must dispise humans", and tell him that he must kill the men who killed her, but then Alucard recognize that her mother would never say such a thing. So, I am sure that Alucard never takes revenge of her mother´s death...
Actually, it comes to my mind a question/doubt: Lisa is not the same person as Elizabetha (Mathias Cronqvist wife), isn´t???
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Is the Drama thing post SotN canon?
if So, if I recall, he was on "Dracula's Side" and fed from Humans, but wasn't exactly cruel or anything. After all, he IS half Human.
I doubt he did. His speech to the Succubus suggest that he did NOT harm them. otherwise he would have accepted the Succubus' version of the story.
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I am assuming the drama thing is canon.
And I agree with Flame's post.
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Since Alucard's a Dhampyre he doesn't need to rely on blood intake as does a regular vampire. He can substitute his hunger with other things like food (our food). I would think that maybe he did kill after his mother's lynching, but only those solely responsible. I doubt he would have gone on a blind rampage as would any other vampire (especially Dracula). Alucard would have done what needed to be, and leave it at that. It would all happen in a slight moment of confusion, but then his mother's words to him would reach out an he would feel remorseful about his actions; vowing to never again harm a human or humans in such a petty form as revenge. He's only half human but he firmly believes that it is his human side that gives him his strength and the will to overcome such painful adversity. And also Alucard knows just how strong a power love truly is as his mother gave him all she could while alive. Dracula had obviously forgotten this ("You have been doomed ever since you lost the ability to love.") but Alucard never wavered.
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I think Death's word can be true. Maybe after Lisa's death, Alucard is still on his father's side temporarily but he wasn't given an order to attack humans yet, he officially switch sides when he was defeated by Trevor and join up with him to face his own father.
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I think Death's word can be true. Maybe after Lisa's death, Alucard is still on his father's side temporarily but he wasn't given an order to attack humans yet, he officially switch sides when he was defeated by Trevor and join up with him to face his own father.
Even if this is true, I doubt Alucard disobeyed his mother's words, given the outcome of The Nightmare. This and his final conversation with Dracula about not harming humans. He could have indulged in his dark side for a while, maybe occasionally feeding on humans etc but I doubt he was cruel or malicious. (^Flame covered this^)
Actually, it comes to my mind a question/doubt: Lisa is not the same person as Elizabetha (Mathias Cronqvist wife), isn´t???
No, years ago I thought this as well. But Alucard is only approximately 400x years old around in SOTN, which means that Lisa gave birth to him around 1397AD, approximately 300 years after Elisabetha died.
I believe it's implied that Lisa is Elisabetha's reincarnation.
Ironically enough the manual states that Lisa is the only woman Dracula has ever loved. Then again I guess one could argue he wasn't technically Dracula when he was still "Mathias". He didn't become the Lord of the Vampires until Elisabetha was deceased.
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I don't think he did because of her saying "If you cannot live with humans, at least do them no harm, for theirs is already a hard lot."
LoI just retconned that statement in the SotN manual, unless you wanted to say that Elizabetha is the woman that Matthias loved, but Lisa is the only woman that "Dracula" loved.
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LoI just retconned that statement in the SotN manual, unless you wanted to say that Elizabetha is the woman that Matthias loved, but Lisa is the only woman that "Dracula" loved.
This is one of the reasons why I think IGA's timeline and additions didn't really do away with the inconsistencies, which was his stated reasoning behind changing and retconning things. Instead, it just made a new web of inconsistencies to go along with his vision. Alot of elements of the different games only make sense when using certain starting points, and now, with more starting points, things have more crazy directions to go in.
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This is one of the reasons why I think IGA's timeline and additions didn't really do away with the inconsistencies, which was his stated reasoning behind changing and retconning things. Instead, it just made a new web of inconsistencies to go along with his vision. Alot of elements of the different games only make sense when using certain starting points, and now, with more starting points, things have more crazy directions to go in.
That's not true, the time periods are completely different.
Viskod, why do you think it's a retcon?
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Well that whole "only woman he ever loved thing"
If you consider Matthias and Dracula separate people with the line between the two being when he took Walters power, then yeah, Lisa is he only woman Dracula ever loved.
If you consider them the same person, then Lisa is not the only person he ever loved.
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Is it the same in the japanese manual?
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They are two different people similarly to how "Dracul" in LoS is a different 'person' than "Gabriel Belmont".
The two being a different version of someone, with different personalities, needs, and wants, with two different people falling in love with them.
I would surmise that hundreds of years can change a person's attitude toward things.
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Is it the same in the japanese manual?
I was going to flag this as well, but the Sotn manual seems to state he's also Vlad Tepes, retconned by LOI(?)
I have the Saturn manual which is written in Japanese. If I post an image is somebody able to translate?
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/iga2-2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/mathias.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/vlad.jpg)
left:elisabetha
right: lisa
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@zangetsu: do you mean this part of the manual?
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv-sotn/packing/CVSotNpsxJPN_07-08.jpg (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv-sotn/packing/CVSotNpsxJPN_07-08.jpg)
My translation for Dracula and Lisa's character description is as follows:
Dracula
(real name: Dracula Vlad Tepes)
age: estimated at 800 years old
Legends say that he rises once every 100 years as the master of Castlevania.
5 years ago, Richter destroyed him along with the castle.
He reigns at the top of the dark world and has massive power in dark magic.
He is also Alucard's father.
Lisa
Alucard's mother. Count Dracula's only beloved wife, a woman like the Virgin Mary.
She created medicines for those people who suffered from the epidemic but she was executed due to the witch trials.
There. I hope that solves the concern.
@crisis: Re. Kojima's illustration, Elisabetha.
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@Shiroi thanks for the info, it basically says the same as the English manual.
I realise Elisabetha can be abbreviated to Lisa, but here's the issue: Alucard is half Vampire, he has Vampiric blood and human blood, Elisabetha died prior to Mathias becoming Dracula, hence even if they had a child, that child would be human. Elisabetha hence can't be Lisa. Unless the game about Alucard's origin (cancelled) would have explained otherwise, I still believe it's reincarnation.
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As already stated here i guess Lisa was indeed somehow Elisabetha's reincarnation and i've always thought itd' be interesting to see a Castlevania game adaptation for the events in Bram Stoker's Dracula in the fashion of the 1991 coppola's movie, where the vampire travels to london in disguise to chase down Mina Murray as a new reincarnation (after Lisa) of his first love.
About alucard, don't really think he ever avenged his mother by killing humans, even tho i think the audio drama implied he feeding on humans at a certain point of his "life", tho it could as well be while Lisa was still alive, he's always been half vampire after all
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As already stated here i guess Lisa was indeed somehow Elisabetha's reincarnation and i've always thought itd' be interesting to see a Castlevania game adaptation for the events in Bram Stoker's Dracula in the fashion of the 1991 coppola's movie, where the vampire travels to london in disguise to chase down Mina Murray as a new reincarnation (after Lisa) of his first love.
Nice anotation... This would be another nod to the Bram Stoker´s novel. After all, as its said Elisabetha is the woman who Mathias love, and Lisa is the woman that Dracula love...