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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Nagumo on April 09, 2014, 12:22:53 PM
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What would your reaction be if the next CV would be for Vita? If it's indeed true that the next CV is going for the Japanese market it could be a possibility since the Vita is the most popular over there.
The leaked correspondence with a MercurySteam employee (who had access to the design document) seems to strongly hint at it. Though it's a bit difficult to understand because of the mangled English. He also mentions the 3DS, iOS, and Android. Not sure if those supposed to be alternative options or if they got something planned for those as well.
http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6228.0.html (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6228.0.html)
I wouldn't mind I guess. Then I could check out the system's already quite extensive RPG library.
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I think you know how I would feel. So excited that I would dance in the streets!
;D
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it would be an illogical decision for konami to release a cv for the vita, esp. if its exclusive. the vita, while technically impressive & superior to the 3DS, just doesnt have the userbase to churn a profit for konami. look how poorly mof did on the 3ds, now imagine how bad it wouldve done had it been a vita exclusive. bomb would be putting it lightly
more people own a 3DS than they do a Vita so why would konami release a exclusive cv for a system that isnt doing so well sales-wise. psp was successful and of course ppl will say "well they released DXC for it" but i wonder how hard IGA had to push to get that game made? think about it
a cv game on vita would be visually awesome, especially if it was sprite-based like the metroidvanias but with IGA gone, i doubt theres anyone on the team left that are pushing for more sprite-based games. sorry but its the truth. however if by some miracle konami makes a brand new game just for vita then of course i'll purchase a vita for it. but am not holding my breath o.o;;
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The vita has a good enough user base to warrant an exclusive CV game. If it didn't, then there would be no 3rd party games for it, which there are aplenty.
The vita seriously makes the 3ds feel like it's a decade behind. It's superior in virtually everything. And the gaming library is better, IMO. It's not hard to imagine why konami would want to make a game for it (they kinda sorta did for psp).
Besides, it would likely be available for the PS3/4/vita, and maybe even feature cross controller like superfrog (which turns the ps3/4-vita basically into a wii u on steriods).
I'm telling you guys, once you have one of these things, you realize how freakin sweet they are. Not just as a portable, but as an accessory to your ps3/4 .
Just go buy one! Then you'll realize how badly you want a CV for the vita.
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One of the main reasons I would buy a PS Vita is Ys Memories of Celceta, but if a CV game is released in that platform, I will think strongly in acquire one :).
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While the Vita is awesome, it would be a stupid idea release a CV for it, financially speaking. Unless the budget is really low and it's priced right, the game could, at best, get sales to pay for the development of the game.
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While the Vita is awesome, it would be a stupid idea release a CV for it, financially speaking. Unless the budget is really low and it's priced right, the game could, at best, get sales to pay for the development of the game.
Well, you can always port the game to the consoles (like RE "Revelaitions" :P, LoS MoF, or Arkham Origins Blackgate)...
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this guy makes a lot of good points
The PlayStation Vita "Will Die A Slow, Painful Death." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEArXxoHXF4#ws)
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To me it sounds like they're targeting all the platforms listed ("In the worksheet put 3DS, Vita, iOS, Android, want to seize all platforms.")
The thing with Vita is, the install base is small, but at least in Japan, it's made up of people who ravenously buy niche games, leading to niche titles with relatively small budgets being able to make a profit there, which is why stuff like Toukiden, Demon's Gaze, Mind=Zero, and the like are able to release exclusively on the Vita.
What doesn't quite make sense is to only target the Vita if they want the game to be a big hit in Japan. I'd think all the platforms he listed would be smart to target if they were going for Japan, although a PS3 port as well might be smart too given that a lot of Japanese games are going PS3/Vita lately like Dragon's Crown, Deception IV, FFX/X2, Natural Doctrine, Ragnarok Odyssey ACE, etc. But the iOS and Android being there would lead me to think that maybe it's not intended to even be the type of game someone would play on a home console--it may be very pick up and play or casualish. Assuming that leaked info is correct as far as what platforms they're going after, the main thing I'd worry about is whether the game would be any good if it's being tailored to work on iOS and Android which limits potential control complexity.
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this guy makes a lot of good points
The PlayStation Vita "Will Die A Slow, Painful Death." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEArXxoHXF4#ws)
Yeah he makes a lot of good points if you're a person who spends a lot of time at home, lives alone, and doesn't have to share a TV with other people.
The idea that the vita is useless because you can play the same games on a console is ridiculous because it's missing the whole point. The point is you can play it anywhere, any time, without a television. That's the whole point of a portable gaming systems to begin with! Yes, of course you can play those games on a console as well! Sony promotes that idea with cross-buy and cross-save features between the vita and ps3 versions of games.
He's also not mentioning how different of an experience playing games on the vita can be. With a touch screen and backside touch sensor. 90% of the entire surface area of the device is a control. It is a very unique and different experience than what you get on a console.
That guy in the video was not making points, he was missing them.
The reason the 3ds is selling way more than the vita is simple. It's the kids man. Parents buy those things for their kids so their kids won't bug them to use their cell phones. I've seen it first hand many, many times. Yes, I know adults buy them too, and even I bought one (and sold it). But still, everyone knows that kids make up the majority of the 3ds market.
The vita is an expensive device to buy for a kid who is going to eat cheet-o's and then get their hands all over it.
If you're someone who loves quality video games but is finding it increasingly difficult in your life to find the opportunity to play them, the vita is the device for you.
If you would rather have a Castlevania game on less comfortable, less powerful system, then I don't understand you and would suspect that you already own a 3ds and don't want to pay the price for a vita. But there can be no question that CV on the vita would be a more enjoyable experience because the vita has much better feel and is a superior piece of technology by leaps and bounds. I don't really think that's disputable.
And by the way, those blue tooth controls for android and ios only work with a very limited selection of games (mostly gameloft games). So if you like playing cheap knock-offs of your favorite games, cramming a controller in your pocket, and struggling to position your phone... then by all means, take that route. But I can tell you from first hand experience that it doesn't hold a candle to the vita, nor does the 3ds.
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this guy makes a lot of good points
The PlayStation Vita "Will Die A Slow, Painful Death." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEArXxoHXF4#ws)
CFW will save it, it made PSP the second best handheld ever, it gave it a GBA emulator, the best handheld ever!
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I might acquire a vita, but it would still depend on the Castlevania that will be released. I don't want to be burned by another MoF.
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I sold my vita and don't care to get another one, so if a CV game comes only on the vita I'll probably won't be playing it.
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I actually didn't mind the Vita. I was pleasantly surprised by it. The only reason I bought one was to play Ys IV. however I've only played that game once as I was sooooo let down by it. I felt it was a betrayal of the original Ys IV: Mask of the Sun. If CV does come to the Vita I'll have to see what kind of CV game it's going to be first, Like Shiroi Koumori had stated.
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My reaction if/when it happens: It's about goddamn time Konami! Finally, something other than DXC, SOTN, and Chronicles to keep me busy on my Vita!
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Hey Lumi, get Muramasa Rebirth on your vita! It's an incredible game and will keep you plenty busy on the vita.
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Muramasa Rebirth
This is on the vita?? When's it out? And if so, is it a downloadable game or is it a retail one? Seriously Montoya I'd really like to know :D
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Get the price on the Vita down and more games I'm interested in and I might get one. It's a nice feeling system with a nice screen, but I'd be throwing my money at the wind.
That said, a new Castlevania at this point isn't likely to convince me to get one unless it's one damn fine game. I'd long been sick of buying the latest games in the series because they usually left me feeling pretty empty, and Harmony of Despair was the final nail in the coffin for me. Lords of Shadow kinda took things in a slightly better direction, but it's not enough to keep me interested.
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This is on the vita?? When's it out? And if so, is it a downloadable game or is it a retail one? Seriously Montoya I'd really like to know :D
Hey man! Muramasa Rebirth has been out on the vita for a while now in stores and for digital download on ps store. It is $24.99 on the playstation store. I picked my copy up used from gamestop for $17.99. It's an incredible game. There is also plenty of extra download content for it.
Of course, as I've said before, you can also get Castlevania Dracula X chronicles, Castlevania Chronicles, and Symphony of the Night on the vita as well.
There are many other great platforming games for the vita as well, both exclusive, and non exclusive. There are also many cross play games like Dragons Crown (you can play with people on the ps3 online), as well as cross buy, and save games. If you own a ps3 or 4, there are many perks to having a vita. I also use my vita as a second controller for my PS4.
Get the price on the Vita down and more games I'm interested in and I might get one. It's a nice feeling system with a nice screen, but I'd be throwing my money at the wind.
You can get a wifi Vita for $200. The 3ds XL is $185. The vita is easily worth the extra 15 dollars as it beats the living crap out of the 3ds as a system. $200 is very fair for the quality of the device. There are already plenty of solid reasons to get a vita and plenty of great games for it. How would you be throwing your money at the wind in buying the best handheld gaming device ever made? If you think there are no games on it that you will like, you will find out how mistaken you were when you actually give the thing a chance.
I don't know why or how the general attitude towards vita got so off. It's a little bit frustrating to be honest. The vita is the best handheld gaming device there has ever been. It's library of games is great and it's growing all of the time. Anyone who has ever enjoyed handheld gaming should have one of these things.
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gamegear had a color screen & was way more powerful albeit bulky, but people still preferred the gameboy. the psp, despite being a technically marvelous handheld with an excellent widescreen & custom firmware capabilities, was still always in the shadow of the nintendo ds. its the same thing with vita/3ds. its just the way it is dude
the handheld market has always been less about a "talent show" and more of a "popularity contest," and itll continue to be this way so long as nintendo still exists
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gamegear had a color screen & was way more powerful albeit bulky, but people still preferred the gameboy.
I think the reason why the gameboy was chosen over the gamegear was due to battery longevity. The gamegear takes six AA batteries but you can only get little more then two hours worth of playtime. The gameboy had only four AA batteries but lasted much longer.
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I really don't mind a Castlevania game released for the Vita.
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How about we give Desmond some love and make this IPhone exclusive. Sony already has the pleasure of taking all me monies, plus my phone is with me at work so yeahhh
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Man, Jeff, every time the Vita is mentioned, you're a salesman for the thing. You bought a 3DS and sold it. I bought a 3DS and later bought an XL because I liked it so much. It has the games I want to play. Vita doesn't. A lot of the games that I'm interested in are on PS3 as well.
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I don't even care, just give me anything at this point.
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I believe in the product and I think it's been getting a very unfair reputation and I also have noticed that there are still many people who do not fully understand what a vita can do.
You can consider me a volunteer salesmen for vita. I believe in it that much.
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Just take the Vita out back and put it out of its misery.
The 3DS is where the money is... for any sidescroller CV's.
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If the Vita had a 2d castlevania, like proper 2d with sprites I'd buy it in an instant. Otherwise I wouldn't invest in a vita.
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You can download SOTN, Castlevania Chronicles, and Dracula X Chronicles on the Vita. It also has plenty of great side scrolling action games aside from that.
Like I've said before, I think it beats the 3ds in games and it obliterates the 3ds in hardware.
I think there are 2 reasons that the 3DS is doing better than the Vita, and they are pretty obvious.
1. Nintendo is more established in the handheld market and the 3ds is coming off of the huge success of the DS.
2. The second reason is that the handheld's consumer market seems to be dominated by the youth, and unfortunately, it seems like Sony has done very little to market the Vita to a younger audience in addition to the hardcore gamer. As it stands, the vita seems to be focused on bringing more console gamers into the handheld market than it is on taking the young audience away from Nintendo, and many console gamers are not interested in handhelds and don't even bother to take a close look at what the vita has to offer.
So that sums it up. I think the only thing that Sony is failing at with the Vita is the marketing.
The games are great and the library is getting huge. Playstation plus member can get games like Gravity Rush, Uncharted Golden Abyss, and Unit 13 for free from the ps store on the vita right now.
Just take the Vita out back and put it out of its misery.
The 3DS is where the money is... for any sidescroller CV's.
Actually they are releasing the Vita slim redesigned and in different colors this spring. There will be a price drop which brings the Vita and Vita slim down to about $180 which will match or be lower than the cost of the 3DS XL. There will also be a Borderlands 2 bundle for $199. So if anything, I think it appears that Sony has plans to push the Vita even more, as they should.
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Hmm 180 u say? And I think sony has their priorities screwed up. I need updates/games/support on my PS4. All I've gotten is Warframe but they give lots of ****crickets
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I have zero desire to own a Vita currently. Depending on if a Castlevania was released for it, that might change, but I don't really dig the entire sort of design style (console games but portable!) for the Vita so I can't imagine it being a CV game I'd enjoy. Granted there's a chance they could make it a side scrolling PSN-esque game, but the chances of that remaining exclusive seem slim to me when a lot of other games of that ilk can be found on Steam or other hardware.
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Hmm 180 u say? And I think sony has their priorities screwed up. I need updates/games/support on my PS4. All I've gotten is Warframe but they give lots of ****crickets
Indeed.
Let it be known that I think the Vita is an AWESOME little machine. There's nothing particularly wrong with the handheld on its own. The problems are with Sony, not with the device:
-I play handhelds in short bursts while I'm in the middle of doing other activities, so Sony's big push for "Console Gaming on the Go" isn't appealing.
-Although there is news of a price drop, the Vita is just too expensive for its own good. On top of that, the $100 proprietary memorystick that you pretty much NEED to buy if you're going to be stocking up on many games in the future...
-Latest Cutting-Edge technology on handhelds doesn't really support the cause: Let's look at history here. Game Gear lost to Gameboy. So did NEC TurboExpress. So did Atari Lynx. Later on, so did NeoGeo Pocket Color. So did Sega Nomad. So did PSP. And so has Vita. And the market for the high-tech gaming graphics seems to be falling towards the smartphones, the rationale being 'why buy two cutting-edge devices when one will do, and the other is a poor excuse for what I can get at home from a PS3, or get improved at home with a PS4'. Hell, take a bluetooth connection and you can connect a controller to a phone or tablet (like I do). Do I NEED to play Call of Duty or Battlefield or Borderlands while on the go? Ehhh... not really. They're also hell on the battery life.
^These are not my thoughts alone, but the thoughts of a collection of friends, colleagues, and coworkers. I'm not saying the system isn't awesome (because it is, it truly is), but until that magic price drop happens (they should've learned from Nintendo's mistake and them owning up to it, rather than their current 'but it's totally worth it' egotistic stance on it) Vita is just... another thing.
Go to a Gamestop or a game store of any kind and look at where the stands for the Vita are. Chances are they'll be in the back section around where the used games are. Meanwhile the popular software lineups (which I think are 3DS and PS3 right now, but I'm not completely sure) will be right up front, possibly on one of the first walls you see.
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There never really was any problem with the Vita itself. Sony just isn't presenting its handheld correctly.
The Vita is a handheld machine, not a console. If you make the comparison, the Vita will always feel like a PS4-lite, because its tiny screen and cramped controls will always end up hurting console-engineered games, no matter how powerful its hardware is. The entire concept of a "portable console" is an empty one: console games, with their production values and bid for immersion, simply aren't suited for on-and-off portable gaming. So as long as Sony advertises the Vita as "console gaming on the go", and denies the handheld its own appeal, they can't expect anyone to buy it -- because then there'd simply be no reason to own a Vita over a console, and owning both would be redundant.
The Vita, just like the PSP before it, was designed to run handheld games at console quality, and not the other way around. It has great potential on its own, but as long as Sony doesn't recognize it, its library will suffer.
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Well said Jorge!
I think that with vita being the gem that it is, they are gonna run it into an early grave. They really should consider making it more appealing to PS4 owners. I have yet to be sold on it and IMO it's like game gear vs game boy. No sense in competing with Nintendo in that aspect because they will lose.
I love CV but me forking over money to get a new handheld that doesn't draw me in like DS will be tough. I spend if I feel I can stretch the life out of something but in it's current state, vita has a long way to win that console war. So many promises that don't gives the customers but the timing always seems so off.
I'd favor the Vita more if they (Sony) would focus on their new toy more. 5 months and I'm not remotely satisfied with my 1000$ investment (all the accessories). Maybe I expect too much? Not sure really but I feel they are too comfy ATM with little competition on the gaming forefront. However, I'm a patient guy so I'm hopeful they shape up. Then maybe, I would consider getting that awesome Vita. But for now no! I want CV on my DS :)
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The entire concept of a "portable console" is an empty one: console games, with their production values and bid for immersion, simply aren't suited for on-and-off portable gaming.
Silent Hill: Origins sucked—like, truly SUCKED—on the PSP, even with headphones and the lights off to help pull me in. When I picked it up for PS2, it was a whole other experience and quite enjoyable.
I'll agree that big console-minded games shouldn't be on a handheld.
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Hey guys.
I've said before that I think people have the wrong attitude towards the vita. I'm seeing it here again.
-I play handhelds in short bursts while I'm in the middle of doing other activities, so Sony's big push for "Console Gaming on the Go" isn't appealing.
-Although there is news of a price drop, the Vita is just too expensive for its own good.
-Latest Cutting-Edge technology on handhelds doesn't really support the cause.
I'll use Killzone Mercenary as an example here because it is a well known console game that has an exclusive vita title. Killzone mercenary is presented in short 10 to 15 minute levels. And the online matches are right around 15 minutes. The game is tailor made for short bursts of gameplay. They intentionally did that for the vita, and it works wonderfully. Console quality gaming on the go does work well when it's with a good game. The problem is that the vita went for a year without a good shooter. This put a flat tire in the buzz the vita had going for it, but now some time has passed, and the games are there. The issue is getting people interested again. The re-release and price drop should do that. It's price drop will bring it down into the range of the 3DS. It is more than worth that price.
There seems to be a general attitude that a handheld shouldn't have high quality graphics or that it doesn't need to. It almost seems like there is the idea here going around that because the vita has high quality visuals and console like controls, that it somehow can't offer anything else other than big budget console games like call of duty, uncharted, and killzone. All you really have to do is look at what is on the vita and then you realize that it's a lot of cool indie games, JRPG, and 2d platformer games as well. There is literally nothing that the 3DS can do that the vita can't do, and more (except give you a migraine while you try to sit perfectly still to enjoy the 3d graphics which usually end up a double visioned, blurry mess while your posture drifts). I'm sure most of you slide that 3d button on the side all the way down just like I did, at which point it becomes a useless feature that you paid extra money for.
So yes, the vita offers console quality games. It offers every kind of game. Because it can. The idea that it's a one trick pony is a falsity that should be put to bed.
Maybe I'm alone here, but I want a handheld that can do everything. If I want to play Gaucamelee and then switch to Uncharted, I should be able to do that. Versatility is not a bad thing! It's giving you more for your money.
The price is dropping to $180 in a matter of weeks, and the buying a vita also saves you $60 dollars because you can use it as a control on the ps4 (as I have said). So the issue of affordability should also soon be put to rest.
I will agree that the memory cards are expensive. I was frustrated with that as well. I have a 16G which I got for $40 and it stores a whole lot. This is my one complaint, and is easily the worst part about owning a vita. But it is not a big enough issue to avoid it.
Go to a Gamestop or a game store of any kind and look at where the stands for the Vita are. Chances are they'll be in the back section around where the used games are. Meanwhile the popular software lineups (which I think are 3DS and PS3 right now, but I'm not completely sure) will be right up front, possibly on one of the first walls you see.
At my local gamestop the vita is right next to the registers. Impossible to miss while you wait in line. At Target it's display is right up front at the game department. Last time I was there, they were sold out. I haven't had the sense that it's being brushed aside at all.
Silent Hill: Origins sucked—like, truly SUCKED—on the PSP, even with headphones and the lights off to help pull me in. When I picked it up for PS2, it was a whole other experience and quite enjoyable.
I'll agree that big console-minded games shouldn't be on a handheld.
Silent Hill is actually a fairly well received game on the PSP. But if you want to talk about a PSP game that proves the concept of current console like games on a handheld, let's talk about Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. But wait a second? Why are we talking about the PSP as a console like handheld when it didn't even have 2 analog sticks? I didn't buy a PSP because it didn't convince me. I bought a DS that time around. This is about the vita.
Hmm 180 u say? And I think sony has their priorities screwed up. I need updates/games/support on my PS4. All I've gotten is Warframe but they give lots of ****crickets
Really? You're complaining about the vita getting a price drop because the only game you have for your PS4 is Warframe which is a free to play game? Go buy a game. The PS4 is a brand new console, there is plenty of support for it. It takes time for libraries and updates to accumulate. That's a pretty twisted way to try to turn good news about the vita into something negative.
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I think the Vita is basically the PSP all over again unfortunately, thanks to Sony's shitty marketing.
PSP was one of the best consoles I've ever owned. Take into account some of the fantastic games it had, then add the CFW possibilities and there wasn't much it couldn't do. When I was on the road a lot and before i got my iPhone, I never left home without it.
I'd love to see a CV game on Vita, not because I'd buy a Vita for it, but because I'd probably be able to emulate it in the next few years and enjoy it like i enjoyed Adventure Rebirth and Judgment once I could emulate Wii.
I'd honestly like to see Konami give iOS and Android more love though. More people own those and not having to worry about physical copies of the games would save them a lot of overhead.
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I'll use Killzone Mercenary as an example here because it is a well known console game that has an exclusive vita title. Killzone mercenary is presented in short 10 to 15 minute levels. And the online matches are right around 15 minutes. The game is tailor made for short bursts of gameplay. They intentionally did that for the vita, and it works wonderfully. Console quality gaming on the go does work well when it's with a good game.
But that's the thing. There's nothing wrong with having Killzone playable on the Vita, but if the Vita doesn't offer anything else, I'd much rather buy a PS4 to play Shadowfall than to buy a Vita and play Mercenary, and deal with all of the handheld's limitations. The shooter genre is one that's generally more enjoyable on consoles than on handhelds, and the same goes for Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, or any of those mainstream franchise exclusives that made it to the Vita: they can definitely work on the handheld, but they simply work better on consoles.
Essentially, the Vita doesn't need as many "almost-like-console" titles -- it needs more handheld-designed titles, titles that take advantage of the Vita's portability, titles that can make good use of its close-quartered controls or its touch screen.
I already own a Vita, courtesy of a friend's generosity, but so far my library is still relatively limited, especially when you compare it to what I have on the 3DS. Among the games I own: Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward (which is so good that's it's probably worth buying the Vita for), Persona 4: Golden, Y's: Memories of Celceta, Soul Sacrifice, Tearaway, and I'm still waiting for an English localization of God Eater 2.
But if anyone knows of any other decent Vita titles, I'm open to suggestions.
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You can download SOTN, Castlevania Chronicles, and Dracula X Chronicles on the Vita.
For people who have all of those games on other consoles, there is no point buying it for the love of Castlevania.
Konami just needs to pull their finger out and give the fans something new which doesn't just feel like CV, but IS CV...Without it being a reboot a spin off, a remake (unless it's Simon's Quest) etc.