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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Tuxedo Mark on September 03, 2014, 05:54:45 PM
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I was just browsing through some CV files that I'd downloaded, and I came across the timeline in the (Japanese) article in Dengeki N64 199 volume 2. It says 1400 next to the screenshot of Sonia from the beginning of the game.
Likewise, in the timeline on page 70 of Konami Gaming Magazine volume 3, there's a 1400 entry right before the 1476 entry (the latter of which is obviously CV3). Does the 1400 entry in this timeline refer to the events of Legends?
I had always heard 1450 mentioned for Legends (though I can't remember where I first heard that). If it's 1400, then Sonia's child couldn't possibly be Ralph/Trevor.
Was 1450 mentioned in any Japanese publication of the time?
Which is correct?
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Omg tuxedo mark :O I'm not sure about your question, but I just wanted to give you a *hug* for seeing you again :D
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http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania_Timeline#Gallery (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania_Timeline#Gallery)
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine)
It is written to the "Konami Magazine Volume 3, Jul 1997" and "Dengeki N64 1999 vol 2" in this way. "1400 nen zengo (Around 1400)". This is indistinct.
From "Konami Magazine Volume 4, Sep 1997" and "KCE Kobe homepage, July 31, 2000". Legends is 1450.
1450 are right.
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Omg tuxedo mark :O I'm not sure about your question, but I just wanted to give you a *hug* for seeing you again :D
Um,...thanks! I really didn't go anywhere. I've been browsing the forum. I just haven't posted much.
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1450 are right.
Thanks! :)
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http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania_Timeline#Gallery (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania_Timeline#Gallery)
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine)
It is written to the "Konami Magazine Volume 3, Jul 1997" and "Dengeki N64 1999 vol 2" in this way. "1400 nen zengo (Around 1400)". This is indistinct.
From "Konami Magazine Volume 4, Sep 1997" and "KCE Kobe homepage, July 31, 2000". Legends is 1450.
This makes me wonder if Legends' year wasn't nailed down until 2000.
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There is another date for Legends but I saw it on the dungeon timeline which was put together from the Konami timeline I think. The date for Legends was 1472. This would put Sonia 20 years before the events of CV III (enough time for Trevor to reach adulthood and fight Dracula). And the date is ten years after Vlad becomes Dracula in the Bram Stoker movie (1462). This is of course putting aside IGA's chain of events and strictly focusing on the classic timeline.
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Definitely not 1400. So 1450 or possibly the 1472 just mentioned. I think CvIII was originally supposed to be 1491 but was later nailed down to 1476. And Curse of Darkness is specifically stated as 3 years later and 1479.
In SotN/NitM set in 1797, Alucard is stated in the Japanese manual to be about 400 years old making his birth about 1397, and Dracula 800 making his birth about 997.
Looks like 1450 is the only one that avoids conflicts.
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I think CvIII was originally supposed to be 1491
Oooo, very close! 1492 actually ;) The same year Columbus sailed for the new world.
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Legends always struck me as the perfect place to reboot the franchise successfully. Since it's not canon, I think it can be done.
Hell, they could even string all the prominent non-canon games together in this reboot. Have Legends and Circle of the Moon happen in the same timeline, and fill-in the gaps. These two games are simply too good to be not canon.
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I thought CV3 was always set in 1476 to correspond with the "death" or the real Vlad III. It would make sense faux-historically, as in CV, it's his first "death" that triggers his cycle(or lack of) of resurrection.
Odd thing about someone bringing up 1472 as a possible date for Legends, would that make Sonia Trevor's OLDER sister then? If we can ignore the "first death" detail, big sis Sonia went off to fight Dracula, and four years later, little brother Trevor would do the same(perhaps because Sonia was raising her child).
Again, I'm not one for Legends, but I've ALWAYS made it known that I'd love to see a sibling dynamic in the CV series. Seeing something like a sister and brother having roles in vanquishing Dracula would be awesome.
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The Castlevania series could definitely stand to have some female Belmonts leading the way in a few entries. Either way, I would also like to see a more unified timeline. It's not like most of these games require the specific dates that have been attributed to them in the past. It's always castles and countryside. Aside from the motorcycles summoned "by Dracula's power" in Castlevania 64, the majority of these things could all be rearranged to fit more neatly together.
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In SotN/NitM set in 1797, Alucard is stated in the Japanese manual to be about 400 years old making his birth about 1397, and Dracula 800 making his birth about 997.
And to think Matthias gained immortality at the young age of 97! :rollseyes:
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Well, "estimated", but still, its kinda silly nonetheless. I think IGA felt obligated to stick somewhat close to that "rule" that was made up by someone entirely different. I think prior to that, Dracula WAS basically Vlad III(or at least there wasn't any reason to not believe he was one in the same). Oddly enough, LoS sticks with the "guy who becomes Dracula lived around the the late 1000s". Couldn't they have chosen a different time period instead of following IGA's "set it around the Crusades" bit.
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If Trevor was Alucard's offspring originally, then wouldn't he have lived significantly longer than a normal human. This is assuming that since Alucard was the offspring of Dracula and a human, he inherited Vampiric traits, so too should Trevor inherit some trace of them. (aside from superhuman strength)
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If Trevor was Alucard's offspring originally, then wouldn't he have lived significantly longer than a normal human. This is assuming that since Alucard was the offspring of Dracula and a human, he inherited Vampiric traits, so too should Trevor inherit some trace of them. (aside from superhuman strength)
The Japanese storyline leaves no room for Sonia and Alucard to develop a relationship. The night that they meet is the night that Sonia sets off on her quest. That little detail (as well as Sonia being the daughter of aristocrats and living in a mansion) was left out of the NA instruction manual.
Unless Alucard did Sonia against a tree in the woods or something, there's no way that he's Trevor's father.
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Honestly, I don't think the original intent by the developers was for the child to be Trevor, because I don't think the intent was for it to be in the same continuity as CV3 in the first place. There's this bit from Konami Magazine:
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine?file=Konamimagazinevolume03-page071.jpg (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine?file=Konamimagazinevolume03-page071.jpg)
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine?file=Konamimagazinevolume04-page075.jpg (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine?file=Konamimagazinevolume04-page075.jpg)
"Legends is 1450. Vol3's timeline is made for SOTN, Unrelated to Legends. "
Legends always felt more like it was overwriting CV3 instead of being a prequel to it. The statement from that magazine appears to support that.
What I think happend is that Legends was created as a orignal, stand alone story, existing in a seperate continuity from other games in the series. For whatever reason, it gets added to the timeline IGA created for SotN. Cue the theories the baby from the ending is Trevor, etc. Nobody corrects the mistake until four years later when IGA retcons it again.
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The Japanese storyline leaves no room for Sonia and Alucard to develop a relationship. The night that they meet is the night that Sonia sets off on her quest. That little detail (as well as Sonia being the daughter of aristocrats and living in a mansion) was left out of the NA instruction manual.
Unless Alucard did Sonia against a tree in the woods or something, there's no way that he's Trevor's father.
Why couldn't they have done it outside? Aristocrats aside I'm sure this would have been commonplace :)
I see what you're saying though, interesting choice of ending, one still has to wonder whether it's Alucard's kid (Trevor or not)
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The Japanese storyline leaves no room for Sonia and Alucard to develop a relationship. The night that they meet is the night that Sonia sets off on her quest. That little detail (as well as Sonia being the daughter of aristocrats and living in a mansion) was left out of the NA instruction manual.
Unless Alucard did Sonia against a tree in the woods or something, there's no way that he's Trevor's father.
Thanks for a conclusion to that mystery/debate.
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The Japanese storyline leaves no room for Sonia and Alucard to develop a relationship. The night that they meet is the night that Sonia sets off on her quest.
I don't think so.
Akumajo Dracula Dark Night Prelude story translation by Solar Boy
*A
Transylvania in the Middle Ages…
One man obtained the powers of the Devil, to change this world into one of darkness, and to gain eternal life…
Not long ago, that man, who became the Demon King, used his supernatural powers and loyal followers of evil called forth from the Otherworld to spread darkness and despair across all of Europe.
…Count Dracula. The people feared the name of the Demon King, yet they could do nothing but voice their worries of a Dark Age the likes of which have never been seen.
*B
Meanwhile, a young girl with mysterious powers was born to an aristocratic family in the countryside. Surprisingly, the girl had special powers that the townspeople couldn’t understand, that they called supernatural. The girl was raised by her grandfather, who was the first to notice her strange powers, telling her, “You must not use your powers only to help yourself…” One night, when she was seventeen years old, while searching for her departed father, she met a mysterious young man named Alucard, and the wheels of fate slowly began to turn… NOTES: There is a mistranslation. It is Alucard that looks for father. Not Sonia
*C
However, without warning, tragedy suddenly struck. Her mansion was attacked by Count Dracula’s monstrous underlings, and upon returning to the town at the foot of the mountains, she only found her grandfather, breathing weakly. “Now is the time to make use of your powers…” Repeating her grandfather’s last words in her heart, the young girl took up his whip and turned towards the Demon Castle.
*D
The young girl’s name is Sonia. She is the forerunner, who leaves behind to this world the name of the Belmont clan of vampire hunters.
The passage of time from *B to *C is uncertain. It might be several weeks, and might several months.
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Good read! Thanks for translating CV Legend's backstory.
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The passage of time from *B to *C is uncertain. It might be several weeks, and might several months.
Sonia meets Alucard one night while he's searching for his father (I can totally imagine Sonia saying "Uh, yeah, he's in that big scary castle in the distance"). Then her mansion is suddenly attacked (while she's away). Then she returns home and finds her grandfather (barely clinging to life) in the aftermath of the attack. I think this is all meant to occur in a very short amount of time. If not, why would Dracula wait so long between his son meeting with this possible champion and sending his goons after her?
Also, it's mentioned Sonia meets Alucard at night. Why be that specific if it doesn't tie directly into the game (which occurs at night)?
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Good read! Thanks for translating CV Legend's backstory.
Oh, that's been at Mr. P's site for quite a while. I think he hosts translations of the Japanese storylines from pretty much every CV game manual.
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These texts are divided into four stages. The text does not describe the time course from B to C. It is written to B in this way. "the wheels of fate slowly began to turn…" Fate is moving slowly. It can be assumed that some periods are between B and C.
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@Tuxedo Mark Maybe "One night" is more eerie and fits the atmosphere better than "one day" in an era where the manual prologue was responsible for a significant part of the storytelling and/or setting.
Having said that, the wheels of date beginning to slowly turn could really mean anything. 24 hours or 24 days, whatevs.