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Title: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Maedhros on September 20, 2014, 08:24:23 AM
I want to point you guys towards the one named ALEPH though.

Quote from: kulapik;130892219
http://www.meristation.com/pc/noticias/mercury-steam-tiene-dos-proyectos-en-desarrollo/58/2009711 (http://www.meristation.com/pc/noticias/mercury-steam-tiene-dos-proyectos-en-desarrollo/58/2009711)

More disclosure:

-Mercury Steam will receive (if the proposals are accepted) a 466.018,02€ grant and a 4.194.162,18€ lease for Aleph, while for NAKED it will be a 362.658,22€ grant and a 3.263.923,98€ lease.


Source: Neogaf - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=898523 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=898523)

Someone tried to google Aleph and it's wiki said:

Quote from: MilesTeg;130895777
Looking up Aleph here is what wikipedia says:

The name aleph is derived from the West Semitic word for "ox", and the shape of the letter derives from a Proto-Sinaitic glyph that may have been based on a Egyptian hieroglyph which depicts an ox's head.[citation needed]

In Modern Standard Arabic, the word أليف /ʔaliːf/ literally means 'tamed' or 'familiar', derived from the root |ʔ-l-f|, from which the verb ألِف /ʔalifa/ means 'to be acquainted with; to be on intimate terms with'.[2] In modern Hebrew, the same root |ʔ-l-f| (alef-lamed-peh) gives me’ulaf, the passive participle of the verb le’alef, meaning 'trained' (when referring to pets) or 'tamed' (when referring to wild animals); the IDF rank of Aluf, taken from an Edomite title of nobility, is also cognate.[clarification needed]

You click on Edomite you get this:

Edom (/ˈiː.dʌm/;[1] Hebrew: אֱדוֹם, Modern Edom Tiberian ʼĔḏôm ; "red"; Assyrian: Udumi; Syriac: ܐܕܘܡ) or Idumea (Greek: Ἰδουμαία, Idoumaía; Latin: Idūmaea) was a Semite-inhabited historical region of the Southern Levant located south of Judea and the Dead Sea mostly in the Negev. It is mentioned in biblical records as a 1st millennium BC Iron Age kingdom of Edom,[2] and in classical antiquity the cognate name Idumea was used to refer to a smaller area in the same region. The name Edom means "red" in Hebrew, and was given to Esau, the elder son of the Hebrew patriarch Isaac, once he ate the "red pottage", which the Bible used in irony at the fact he was born "red all over".[3] The Torah, Tanakh and New Testament thus describe the Edomites as descendants of Esau.

Now, I searched "Edom Dracula" on google. Got this:

http://pelgranepress.com/site/?p=7141 (http://pelgranepress.com/site/?p=7141)

Four Generations of EDOM

For years, it has been a legend. Somewhere in the dusty archives of MI6 is the complete version of Bram Stoker’s novel Dracula — the unredacted version. The full story revealed clear pointers to the sources and methods the Service used in Operation EDOM, an 1893 mission that sent a bold agent deep into the Balkans to awaken and then terminate a very dangerous asset indeed.

But the termination didn’t take. In 1940, desperate to stop Hitler’s march through Europe, the Service reactivated EDOM, and reanimated their Transylvanian asset. Once more, they found they had bitten off more than they could chew, and in the chaos of wartime Romania they put him to sleep. Or so they thought.

In 1977, MI6 discovered that they weren’t the only players in this game. Their asset had left his own sleepers behind in Moscow and Romania — and in London — and inside MI6. The Service had to reopen EDOM, awaken Dracula again, to find his agents in their own ranks — or so they said.

More Castlevania?

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More LoS from Mercury Steam? D:
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Dremn on September 20, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
We knew this was going to happen...

For fucks sake Konami.

David Cox isn't around anymore either to watch Alvarez's ego this time, this is not going to end well.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Maedhros on September 20, 2014, 08:37:07 AM
They are asking for $5m for whatever game they are making. Maaan... even the budget is Castlevania-like...
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Dremn on September 20, 2014, 08:40:49 AM
There isn't a doubt in my mind it isn't Castlevania after reading that post on GAF.

I will already guess Dracula will be the player again. How much farther into the future can they take this since LoS2 was in the modern era? Victor was the seemingly last living Belmont too, unless they pull a Trevor on us and decide there were others left in the bloodline after all.

I'm really worried that Alvarez is going to just go completely nuts over this one, now it's really starting to feel like the "Castlevania" I once knew, is completely dead.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Nagumo on September 20, 2014, 08:49:29 AM
I'm saying this with fingers crossed, but I think somebody is reading into this way too much. Having said that, more LoS would be like a cruel joke.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Trevelyan on September 20, 2014, 10:22:25 AM
From what the leaky people told us, Mercury was dead against doing anymore which makes it seem like Konami would have had to do A LOT of persuading ($$$) to get them to do another.  If LoS2 had been a huge success, sure, but it doesn't seem like it.  Unless MS had a change of heart...

I do think LoS2 wasn't as much of a financial failure as it may seem - namely, since LoS was made on a low budget with low expectations (and far exceeded them) and LoS2 presumably had the same budget (same VAs plus richard madden pretty much), it shouldn't have lost Konami much and may even have been profitable.  But still ehhhh.  Who knows.

Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: crisis on September 20, 2014, 10:31:05 AM
hey guys check out the colored versions of this artwork, say wat you want about the lords of shadow games but you're buggin if you think the artwork in this series sucks

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Kingshango on September 20, 2014, 11:06:04 AM
That Gaf post feels like a reeeeeach.

Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: TatteredSeraph on September 20, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Sounds like there is an amount of ripping off of Hellsing as well here.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Kingshango on September 20, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
How can they even continue LOS when everybody has been killed except Dracula and Alucard? The only way it could be done is if it's a prequel.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Dremn on September 20, 2014, 11:34:29 AM
How can they even continue LOS when everybody has been killed except Dracula and Alucard? The only way it could be done is if it's a prequel.
Or they retcon LoS2 entirely, who knows what they're going to do. It sounds like this is just a proposal at the moment, so Konami could turn them down.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Foffy on September 20, 2014, 11:38:33 AM
How can they even continue LOS when everybody has been killed except Dracula and Alucard? The only way it could be done is if it's a prequel.

This is what one of the leakers here said, right? That if there was a new Lords game, it would be a prequel.

Crossing my fingers that this is not a Castlevania project.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Nagumo on September 20, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
How can they even continue LOS when everybody has been killed except Dracula and Alucard? The only way it could be done is if it's a prequel.

They could also be lazy and just revive Satan.   
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Chernabogue on September 20, 2014, 01:08:08 PM
I wouldn't mind more LoS. (inb4 -1's)
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: crisis on September 20, 2014, 02:33:32 PM
if you recall the ending, the mirror of fate flashes & shows Dracula 1 last vision before he shatters it
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 20, 2014, 08:07:51 PM
It could be a parallel universe if they decide to make it Castlevania.
But really, please no. As i've said many times before, MS has the capability to make a new IP, might as well try it now.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: JR on September 21, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
Like most others, I really hope it's not a CV game.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't have fun with LoS2, but it didn't really work well at all for a CV game. Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I'm just ready to see someone else try their hand at the series. I do have serious doubts as to this being another LoS game, though.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 21, 2014, 07:52:07 AM
I did have fun with LOS2, the only bad thing for me was the story. I think that, even though what everyone thinks of the game, this story needs closure. I would like to see Gabriel and Alucard shed their vampire sides and fight them and the castle as humans, or the castle taking complete control over gabriel and trevor fight his father and the castle. Something I dunno, I just want that story to end right.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: uzo on September 21, 2014, 11:09:03 AM
Meh.

Let me know when IGA's kickstart begins.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Ahasverus on September 21, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
I knew it. After LoS' 2 critical and fan flop Mercury wouldn't be allowed to continue their dream game.. unless they get back Konami's goodwill.

Also, I for one don't think Alvarez will be on charge. He will be busy on their new IP, that's what he wanted all these years. If we're (semi) lucky the next Director will be Marquez OR a completely new guy.

Kojima better be supervising this time too.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: uzo on September 21, 2014, 07:04:20 PM
Firstly, Kojima wasn't ever supervising anything on any of the LoS. They merely encouraged and lent technical support.

Secondly, thats reverse logic there. If the game flopped hard enough, they wouldn't be allowed to do another sequel, which is the opposite of Konami asking them to make up for it by making another sequel. They would be 'free' to pursue their dream game cause they'd likely not get another contract with Konami. LoS1's success may be still keeping them afloat here potentially, but we wont ever know.

You don't necessarily get the go ahead to do your dream project by pleasing a publisher. You usually do what the publisher wants you to do. Publishers want to do what will make the most money, which means follow on successful leads. LoS2 might not have failed to reach it's mark afterall, or LoS1's success made up for it a little, and they convinced Konami they'll do another like LoS1 again.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Kingshango on September 21, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
Meh.

Let me know when IGA's kickstart begins.

You're better off just backing Timespinner cause it's the closest thing to a Igavania game that we're getting for a long, long time.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 21, 2014, 07:38:06 PM
Someone summon Bergaron
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Ahasverus on September 21, 2014, 08:23:50 PM
Firstly, Kojima wasn't ever supervising anything on any of the LoS. They merely encouraged and lent technical support.

Secondly, thats reverse logic there. If the game flopped hard enough, they wouldn't be allowed to do another sequel, which is the opposite of Konami asking them to make up for it by making another sequel. They would be 'free' to pursue their dream game cause they'd likely not get another contract with Konami. LoS1's success may be still keeping them afloat here potentially, but we wont ever know.

You don't necessarily get the go ahead to do your dream project by pleasing a publisher. You usually do what the publisher wants you to do. Publishers want to do what will make the most money, which means follow on successful leads. LoS2 might not have failed to reach it's mark afterall, or LoS1's success made up for it a little, and they convinced Konami they'll do another like LoS1 again.
- Exactly, I want him supervising EVERYTHING this time, as he's doing with Silent Hill. The funny thing is that Del Toro would fit Castlevania more than Silent Hills, but alas..

- Their new IP was already under development when LoS2 was out, perhaps Konami threatened to cut funds, Mercury went into panic mode and presented a new pitch that convinced Konami again to keep going under the promise of "saving" the franchise. I dunno. Castlevania has always some drama under it. Wait for it.

- I think LoS2 wasn't a financial flop, just a dissapointment, and a very dangerous one. The next Castlevania can't be anything short of AMAZING if they want the franchise to even exist.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Foffy on September 23, 2014, 05:39:56 AM
- I think LoS2 wasn't a financial flop, just a dissapointment, and a very dangerous one. The next Castlevania can't be anything short of AMAZING if they want the franchise to even exist.

You think wrong. The game sold under 100,000 in its first month. For a AAA release, that is a financial flop. If it did good at all, Konami would have put out press release after press release for the game. The only thing they ever stated about the game post-release was a release date for the DLC.

LoS2 did so poorly that if either one of these projects is backed by Konami, it had to have been a deal made before LoS2 released. The only game MercruySteam put out that did well was the first game of the trilogy; the other two were financial losses. This is why people are very worried the franchise is either going to be killed off or put on hiatus, because the game failed to meet any expectations from Konami.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Anglachel on September 23, 2014, 07:45:31 AM
If Marquez is in charge, I'll be interested. He knew what he was doing with Revelations, and although Mirror of Fate's story could use improvement it was still decent.

Unless it goes mobile. Forget that.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: uzo on September 23, 2014, 09:34:12 AM
Unless it goes mobile. Forget that.

Castlevania Xover
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Chernabogue on September 23, 2014, 09:37:02 AM
We're all waiting for Transylvania Warriors.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Foffy on September 23, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
Castlevania Xover

I want to powerbomb you. ):
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Kingshango on September 23, 2014, 04:49:20 PM

Unless it goes mobile. Forget that.

Hope you upgraded your iPhone. :)
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: crisis on September 23, 2014, 05:14:39 PM
it wont be the first time  have u guys forgotton this?

Castlevania Puzzle: Encore of the Night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXwDRffmgG0#)

^i suck at this game ._.


altho i remember a concept that someone thought up here a while ago, about a hypothetical cv mobile app that had you custom build up the castle, with unique sections/enemies & you had to fend off invaders. or something like that
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 23, 2014, 06:48:29 PM
Nowhere does it say Konami's involved at all.

And the linking of Aleph to Dracula via loose "6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" is laughable.

I'm thinking Konami has NOTHING to do with this(they aren't even intersting in CV right and are focusing on MGSV and Silent Hills), but MS still wants to do something "similar", so they might as well be doing a not-LoS. It will probably be like the LoS games, but without Castlevania themes, Dracula and other iconic things. It's their Mighty No. 9.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Maedhros on September 23, 2014, 08:37:49 PM
Nowhere does it say Konami's involved at all.

And the linking of Aleph to Dracula via loose "6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" is laughable.

I'm thinking Konami has NOTHING to do with this(they aren't even intersting in CV right and are focusing on MGSV and Silent Hills), but MS still wants to do something "similar", so they might as well be doing a not-LoS. It will probably be like the LoS games, but without Castlevania themes, Dracula and other iconic things. It's their Mighty No. 9.
Of course it doesn't say anything about Konami. MS is asking the government for funds, not Konami. Maybe the games will be pitched for Konami, they own the rights for Castlevania/Contra, after all.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 24, 2014, 02:01:31 AM
@Crisis: I love that game. Maybe because I'm good at those games. hehe.

Of course it doesn't say anything about Konami. MS is asking the government for funds, not Konami. Maybe the games will be pitched for Konami, they own the rights for Castlevania/Contra, after all.

Or they are finally making a new IP.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: e105beta on September 24, 2014, 08:47:52 AM
Man, I loved Lords of Shadow, but I really hope that GAF poster is reaching, because I do not want to see Alvarez get another take on the series, not with both Dave Cox and Jose Luis Vaello gone. No good can come of this.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 24, 2014, 09:39:22 AM
I believe that the ''bad guy'' in this story is Alvarez, I really think that Cox wasn't the problem, and neither Marquez. In the open letter of the guy working in MS, he clearly said that the problem was Alvarez. Obviously I cannot say anything a 100% sure of things, but that's what I believe. If there's really another CV LOS coming up, I just hope for the best.
Title: Re: Mercury Steam two new games: Aleph and NAKED.
Post by: Anglachel on September 24, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
Everyone, keep these in mind. We don't know anything yet about this project. After the bad assumptions I made of Lords of Shadow 2 beforehand, I am very wary of anything from Konami. We need to wait until solid details are revealed and that will be a while.

Would Konami allow MS another shot at the title? Well, MercurySteam clearly is a talented group. I know that from the first game and Mirror of Fate. They did make the best selling 3D Castlevania title, with amazing production values. Lords of Shadow 2's failure was probably not due to the team itself. If they were given the tools and freedom they needed, I'm sure that they would make some amazing work, even if it isn't Castlevania. I hope Konami would see that through, if that's the case here.