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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: darkmanx_429 on January 01, 2015, 03:24:09 PM
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[Castlevania-Inspired] Homemade Chain-Whip Prototype (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz94gHSJkoA#ws)
Thought this was pretty neat.
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Though cheesy (and he warned us beforehand) it was an interesting demonstration :) But it looked as though he had trouble getting the end of the whip to go where he wanted it to. I think that but putting a metal ball at the end (not necessarily a flail) as a kind of counterweight, it will help the chain whip to function more as you'd expect it to. Someone here who has a You Tube account should tell him to do-so and it might improve the whip's functionality.
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"I'm not your mom and I'm not the discovery channel."
This was about the nerdiest fail video ever. But at least he revels in it. He is using it ALL wrong really.
Thing is though, Castlevania misrepresents the chain whip and makes it act like a bull whip. Because the chain links are loose, unlike the construction of a leather whip, you don't get the same flow of force down the whip when used. It's really not even a whip.
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At least it looks cool. I would pay for an official Konami release for something like this than the leather one we had a while back...
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Adam Crack FIREWHIP! Full Performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBeZM4roOgI#ws)
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Adam Crack FIREWHIP! Full Performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBeZM4roOgI#ws)
Now that's an awesome flame whip!
"I'm not your mom and I'm not the discovery channel."
This was about the nerdiest fail video ever. But at least he revels in it. He is using it ALL wrong really.
Thing is though, Castlevania misrepresents the chain whip and makes it act like a bull whip. Because the chain links are loose, unlike the construction of a leather whip, you don't get the same flow of force down the whip when used. It's really not even a whip.
Maybe he was using Haunted Castle Controls?
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Yeah unfortunately morningstar flails were probably pretty rare in real life, because they wouldn't have been very effective. And they certainly wouldn't have had long chains. Lindybiege makes a good argument for this I think
www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-y6oirEsZA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-y6oirEsZA#ws)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzE8YMkC5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzE8YMkC5s#ws)
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It's actually interesting that this is what you guys are talking about. This is the best reproduced copy of this i have ever seen. I made it and it's totally deadly. The only thing is you need to be very careful about your strike and the fall or that ball will come back and bust you up.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi58.tinypic.com%2Fs5y8ia.jpg&hash=ba59e38218bc3cf80b98cc84e62c19e7985f19a9)
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Now that looks cool! But it's still far too short to be the vampirekiller (no offense Morning star :))
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Now that looks cool! But it's still far too short to be the vampirekiller (no offense Morning star :))
To his credit, they have always mentioned that the vampire killer was far too long...lol
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That looks like the Haunted Castle version of it (short and deadly).
Good job, Morning Star.
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>all the posts about impracticality of chain whips and the series' misconstruing of how they'd actually work (that I'm too lazy to quote directly)
Belmont magic, duh.
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Thanks guys. Yeah, i wanted something that would look the part but still be useful if you ever reached for it. The full length version is a totally fictional weapon and can't be used for anything but lifting a motor out of a vehicle. Still, i was fan enough to need this on my wall for some reason :D
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The full length version is a totally fictional weapon and can't be used for anything but lifting a motor out of a vehicle.
I don't know. Maybe the Vampirekiller wasn't based of of a medieval flail, but was instead based off this:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fminimumwagehistorian.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F04%2Fkusarigama11.jpg&hash=0811e0c961dd0ff21866f9bba8b8df423e776b7e)
The game came out of Japan so this is the most likeliest origin. And not to forget the weapon used on the movie Kill Bill that was also very similar to the above as well:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcosplayers.acparadise.com%2F73869%2F09a884f3c0648cb31a0b5ca681af7b6e.jpg&hash=848af7bcb60ed805c01d68d54fca31d142553b00)
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You address Gogo Yubari by name, you filthy heathen (that's a wicked good cosplay of her, though).
Her incarnation of the weapon is actually rather plausible, since it requires deft manipulation of the arms and wrists to properly wield it. The issue is that the chain Vampire Killer is swung like a conventional bullwhip, which wouldn't work at all with chain due to the vast differences in how each medium carries movement and the force of its own weight.
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You address Gogo Yubari by name, you filthy heathen
She still got "nailed" in the head :-X Even just looking at her face you could tell something was wrong with her mind. Back to the weapon in question though, I left the name out as I wasn't sure if it was her's or the weapon's.
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Oh yeah, Gogo was fuckin' crazy.
Her weapon's a meteor hammer, which is actually Chinese. She uses a single-hammer version as opposed to the more common two-hammer.
As for feasibility of the actual Vampire Killer, there was also a literal chain whip in Chinese weaponry in centuries past. Rather than be a series of links, it used long metal rods (not really rods, but I can't think of a better word), the most famous being the nine-link. They typically had a sharp dart or hook of some nature on the end, rather than a mace ball as the VK does. Due to how they were constructed, they could and can be used more like a regular hide whip. The longer links could wrap around targets better than smaller O-links, and allowed for better control over the length of the weapon. The weightier construction also meant that force carried through the whole thing better, which when coupled with proper speed makes it pretty effective.
Obviously we know the VK isn't one of these, but it is interesting to note that a practically-usable chain whip does exist.
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I always thought that a realistic way to use a chain whip with a ball as a weapon would be to swing it really fast like a slingshot, the way Belmonts do in some of the games (and the way Gogo Yubari does), until it gains speed, and then use its speed (rather than flailing it) to strike down an opponent. Biggest problems with that, however, is that the ball would be hard to aim when spun very quickly, and that spinning a heavy ball all the time would get you tired very quickly.
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That's why Belmonts train at a young age and end up looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger at adulthood when they're ready to slay the count. And because they trained from the very beginning on how to use said weapon they can use it however they see fit (including swinging it around like a regular whip). This is also a reason why I consider Ayami Kojima's thinly-built pretty boys to be an unrealistic representation of one with such hardcore training (personal art choices aside of course), especially when you take into account the strength and stamina needed to wield such a weapon.
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kill bill (mario version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk2A-zOum9Y#)
Always loved that fight scene! ;-)
Perhaps this is the idea behind the whip, but it was/is portrayed like a bullwhip for simplicity's sake?
Or perhaps they just needed something to claim was a strong(er) whip and didn't care about the accuracy?
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The morning star strikes me as a cavalry weapon, not a hand-to-hand weapon. Long shaft with a blade/point is typically anti-cavalry (or weird kung-fu stuff), but a long shaft with an awkward weight at the end suggests to me it was meant to be carried from atop a horse with the arm in a relaxed position and then when the rider is ready to strike he'd swing it underarm/sidearm and couple with the momentum of the horse to mow down an enemy or knock a passing knight off. Using as a debilitator in hand-to-hand combat I could see, but it'd be in conjunction with a one-handed sword or dagger and you'd be fighting with your off-hand with one of the weapons, so it'd take a lot of skill.
And if you were wearing a gauntlet, I don't think a longer chain would be that bad. But if you're trying to swing it on a horse, a shorter chain is better for accuracy and speed, all things considered. If the VK was a flail, with the dimensions depicted in the games it'd be a very slow, inaccurate weapon and needing considerable skill to even wield remotely effectively.