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Title: Dracula Untold
Post by: EstebanT on March 03, 2015, 06:30:43 PM
I know this has been discussed slightly in the forums before but...
Wow. This movie is so ridiculously Lords of Shadow that I felt it was relevant to bring up again.
Even when you take into account that both use the same source material for their plots some similarities are just too coincidental.
It goes beyond coincidence in my opinion. There are all kinds of similarities that I'm too lazy to write down but there are a few worth pointing out.

Baba Yaga was supposed to be in the movie but got cut.

If you have seen the ending you know that...
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Also before Lords of shadow 2 released in Japan, Konami had this poster in their website. If I remember it had something to do with winning tickets to the movie.
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I bet most of you have seen the trailer/movie and have seen the other super obvious similarities so im not going to continue... Anyone have something to contribute?
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: piscesdreams on March 03, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
I saw the trailer when it released and scoffed at the LoS vibe. But I checked it out at a dollar theater eventually and I am glad I did. The movie was surprisingly good.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 03, 2015, 07:58:58 PM
People who didn't know about LOS liked the movie. I suppose the sympathetic Dracula appealed well.
I, however, who knows about LOS, called rip-off!
Mirena = Maria
Master Vampire = Zobek

Re. the ending, I think the studio wants to revive the entire Monster franchise ala Avengers. But apparently kept it on hold.

Re. the Japan movie collaboration, yeah, I've mentioned that before.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Dracula9 on March 03, 2015, 10:30:41 PM
It's a Vlad III origin story that only sticks to history where the titular character and maybe a few things about Mehmed are involved. No Radu, no Poenari, no Targoviste, no backstory on Vlad II and Vlad III's time as a political prisoner as a kid, no mention of his pseudonyms other than The Impaler (for chrissake just use Kakizli Bey once, ONCE!) LoS vibes or not it's already lost points for me. Make SOME effort to trump Coppola's Dracula, people, c'mon.

Also, wasn't the Master Vampire like Caligula or some such shit? I haven't seen it yet (not that I care about spoilers).
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Chernabogue on March 03, 2015, 11:39:13 PM
The movie's okay -- your average blockbuster. I think Universal has The Mummy planned for this year or 2016.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 04, 2015, 02:47:05 AM
@D9: The master vampire was not named in the movie.
@Chern: Will the Mummy push through?
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Chernabogue on March 04, 2015, 03:03:06 AM
Quote from: Shiroi Koumori on March 04, 2015, 02:47:05 AM
@Chern: Will the Mummy push through?
I don't know, they seem to have started pre-production already (2016 for release date, just checked). The Wolfman seems to be the next one after The Mummy.

I remember the Master vampire being credited as Caligula somewhere when the film was released, but it seems the info is gone.


Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: X on March 04, 2015, 10:11:31 AM
Quote
I remember the Master vampire being credited as Caligula somewhere when the film was released, but it seems the info is gone.

Caligula? Really?? That's the name of the first of the most three terrible Emperors of Rome. Caligula. Claudius. Nero.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Chernabogue on March 04, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: X on March 04, 2015, 10:11:31 AM
Caligula? Really?? That's the name of the first of the most three terrible Emperors of Rome. Caligula. Claudius. Nero.
Yep, I'm aware of that. It's hinted in the movie the Master was human at the time of the Roman Empire or so.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Ratty on March 04, 2015, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: Shiroi Koumori on March 03, 2015, 07:58:58 PM
Re. the ending, I think the studio wants to revive the entire Monster franchise ala Avengers. But apparently kept it on hold.

Word is that they do. Universal wants to use all of their classic monsters for team-ups ala the Avengers. Can't say that's too surprising since Universal did this back in the 40s and tried to do it with Van Helsing. But apparently this plan/announcement was made after Dracula Untold was in production so it's unclear if it will be part of the relaunch or abandoned.

I don't see it working because the Universal Monsters have unfortunately a tiny fraction of the cultural cache they did even 25 years ago when stuff like this http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/bag/universal-studios-pepsi-party-monsters.php (http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/bag/universal-studios-pepsi-party-monsters.php) was made.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Chernabogue on March 04, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Ratty on March 04, 2015, 12:59:36 PM
Word is that they do. Universal wants to use all of their classic monsters for team-ups ala the Avengers. Can't say that's too surprising since Universal did this back in the 40s and tried to do it with Van Helsing. But apparently this plan/announcement was made after Dracula Untold was in production so it's unclear if it will be part of the relaunch or abandoned.
I THINK The Mummy is the first one of that shared universe, and that DU is out.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Ratty on March 04, 2015, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: Chernabogue on March 04, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
I THINK The Mummy is the first one of that shared universe, and that DU is out.

Wouldn't surprise me since I think DU underperformed for their expectations and the Stephen Sommers/Brendan Fraser Mummy reboot from almost 20 years ago (damn I feel old) did well and seems to be fondly remembered today. I'd kinda like to see a Fraser cameo in a new Mummy honestly, maybe as a mentor-type.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 05, 2015, 01:05:54 AM
I agree with Ratty. That Mummy 20 years ago is better than DU.
Frasier cameo reminds me of Spock in Star Trek ... noooo.... Nimoy..... /sob
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: zaxiou on March 05, 2015, 07:13:00 AM
Is the film really that bad? I was planning to see it when the trailers came out but then heard nothing of it.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Chernabogue on March 05, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: zaxiou on March 05, 2015, 07:13:00 AM
Is the film really that bad? I was planning to see it when the trailers came out but then heard nothing of it.
It's not THAT bad, it's just okay.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Aridale on March 05, 2015, 11:36:06 AM
I love the first The Mummy with him. So good. The 2nd one is pretty good too. But lets leave it at that and not even mention the one that came after that...
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: crisis on March 05, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
hay Aridale glad to see ur still around (becuz you're not a square)

i liked it whe nAstarte said "COME HITHER!"
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: zaxiou on March 05, 2015, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Chernabogue on March 05, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
It's not THAT bad, it's just okay.

I saw the thing today and it was quite.... entertaining.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Dracula9 on March 05, 2015, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: Aridale on March 05, 2015, 11:36:06 AM
I love the first The Mummy with him. So good. The 2nd one is pretty good too. But lets leave it at that and not even mention the one that came after that...

Wait, there was a third one? When was this? I have no recollection of a third installment. It was just the first two.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: zaxiou on March 05, 2015, 06:38:45 PM
Yeah there was a third. It had Jet Li as the mummy. The less you know of it the better.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 05, 2015, 09:05:01 PM
Don't watch the third Mummy film!
You have been warned.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: NocturnalMango on March 06, 2015, 01:46:14 AM
Dracula Untold's story makes way more sense then the Lords of Shadows games do.  ;)
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on March 07, 2015, 06:06:51 AM
I saw "Dracula Untold" yesterday (thanks for bringing it up, forum!).
I liked it!  I thought it was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Dracula9 on March 07, 2015, 06:39:08 AM
Quote from: zaxiou on March 05, 2015, 06:38:45 PM
Yeah there was a third. It had Jet Li as the mummy. The less you know of it the better.

That was sarcasm. :P

I've seen the atrocity.

At least its CGI looked better than SK did in the second one.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Belmontoya on March 07, 2015, 06:43:50 AM
The best dracula film that I've seen since bran stokers dracula was shadow of the vampire.

They really need to step it up and make a new classic. The source material deserves that.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Dracula9 on March 07, 2015, 06:57:04 AM
Yeah. Coppola's still holds the record as far as I'm concerned.

Plus, Gary Oldman.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: TatteredSeraph on March 07, 2015, 07:17:11 AM
A significant amount of why I love DU is the campy, cheese factor and how evocative it is in some ways of the old school Universal and Hammer Horror Dracula movies, whilst being something very different and more modern.  It's a feel good, silly romp that has enough little nods to the real history of Vlad Tepes to make me happy, even if they did leave all of the stuff with Radu etc out.  The bits which are very similar to Lords of Shadow, especially the hand of bats, also helps. :)
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: piscesdreams on March 07, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
I think DU satisfied a craving I've had for a while. Anyone who is a vampire/CV fan should check it out and see. It was quite a surprisingly good movie to me.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Ratty on March 09, 2015, 01:02:26 PM
Quote from: Belmontoya on March 07, 2015, 06:43:50 AM
The best dracula film that I've seen since bran stokers dracula was shadow of the vampire.

They really need to step it up and make a new classic. The source material deserves that.

I've seen around 6 or 7 films based directly on the original book (which I've also read several times) and  the one I've seen most recently really stands out for me. "Nosferatu the Vampyre" from 1979. Some neat twists on the familiar story, haunting score and visuals. Great performance from Klaus Kinski who is in some ways pitiful but never sympathetic as Dracula. If you're looking for a great Dracula movie this is highly recommended.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Rachk7ipI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Rachk7ipI#ws)
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Belmontoya on March 09, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
Nosferatu the vampyre is my favorite dracula film of all time!

A large poster of the film cover hangs in a frame on my bedroom wall.

Kinski and herzog were one of the greatest duos. And Isabelle Adjani... Schwing! Best Lucy/Mina of any dracula film! Her voice is haunting alone.

You can find a lot of cool behind the scenes footage from the making of Nosferatu on YouTube.

Nosferatu specifically needs a new film. I find that to be the most terrifying twist on dracula. Here's for hoping we get another dracula film as great as the two nosferatus and stokers.

I will say that I thought Willem dafoe was great as Nosferatu. I would have loved to see him as Nosferatu in a serious remake of the film.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: EstebanT on March 09, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: Belmontoya on March 09, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
I will say that I thought Willem dafoe was great as Nosferatu. I would have loved to see him as Nosferatu in a serious remake of the film.

I thought it got pretty serious towards the end. I thought he was great. As far as comedy goes, Petyr from "What we do in the shadows" was the best thing in the movie.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Chernabogue on March 09, 2015, 11:22:36 PM
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/movie-draculas/Leslie-Nielsen-Dracula.jpg)
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: X on March 10, 2015, 04:40:34 PM
RIP Leslie Nielsen  :'(
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: darkmanx_429 on March 11, 2015, 06:21:24 AM
Just got it in the redbox. I'll be checking it out today as well

And since it's a running theme in the thread:
(http://i.imgur.com/LlLOEP3.jpg)
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Ratty on March 11, 2015, 05:46:57 PM
Quote from: X on March 10, 2015, 04:40:34 PM
RIP Leslie Nielsen  :'(

Well, the name of his Dracula movie was "Dead and Loving It" I think he'd appreciate the irony :) so don't feel too bad.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: X on March 11, 2015, 10:51:20 PM
Mel Brooks would no-doubt agree  :)
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Belmontoya on March 15, 2015, 08:23:58 PM
Just finished watching Untold. My wife and I loved it!

But I still wish someone would make a historically accurate dracula film!
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Dracula9 on March 15, 2015, 08:52:48 PM
I don't think the general masses are ready for bloodshed and political atrocities of that caliber.  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 15, 2015, 09:21:24 PM
Quote from: Dracula9 on March 15, 2015, 08:52:48 PM
I don't think the general masses are ready for bloodshed and political atrocities of that caliber.  :rollseyes:

yeah. those things are more suitable for a book.
Title: Re: Dracula Untold
Post by: Dracula9 on March 15, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
I'd totally watch a historically-accurate Vlad III film though, make no mistake.

But given the unforgiving amounts of gore and perversion (if we're going for accuracy Mehmed wasn't the best caregiver...), it'd have to tiptoe around to get made, let alone handed off to a good crew.

Personally I'd get the crew of John Carpenter's The Thing to regroup and do it.