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Title: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: Claimh Solais on May 09, 2015, 02:10:20 AM
I just realized that this game came out almost six years ago and I still haven't played it yet. So I was just wondering how everyone feels about the game. Worth the price? I've heard from some that it's a nice throwback to the Classicvanias, with the Classic Mode itself being a nice touch. But I've heard from some that the stages tend to drag on for a bit too long.

So yeah. What did you all think of it? Is it worth the price? Worth a playthrough? Worth more than one playthrough? Etc. etc.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: beingthehero on May 09, 2015, 02:19:36 AM
I liked it a lot, and it definitely feels like Rondo of Blood 2. The music is incredible, so let's get that out of the way.

As for the length of stages, I thought the clock tower stage really take forever to get through. Stage 2, the entry hall, did drag a bit too with the cavern section. But yeah, it's worth to play through. Excellent Dracula fight, too.

The biggest selling point I can think of is that there are new medusa head, skeleton, and merman sprites.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: piscesdreams on May 09, 2015, 02:24:42 AM
If you're looking for a Classicvania experience that is well crafted, it's worth the price. This is a game for a few bucks that would have been $50 back in the day.
Great music, it rehashes some graphics but manages to make them feel fresh; but for the most part it has a lot of new sprites. If you've never tried it, I say go for it. You've got "nothing to lose" :)
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: Dremn on May 09, 2015, 02:28:52 AM
The last good true Castlevania game in my opinion, one of the best things I ever spent 10 bucks on.

Play it with classic jumping on for the complete experience.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: theplottwist on May 09, 2015, 02:33:38 AM
I just realized that this game came out almost six years ago and I still haven't played it yet. So I was just wondering how everyone feels about the game. Worth the price? I've heard from some that it's a nice throwback to the Classicvanias, with the Classic Mode itself being a nice touch. But I've heard from some that the stages tend to drag on for a bit too long.

So yeah. What did you all think of it? Is it worth the price? Worth a playthrough? Worth more than one playthrough? Etc. etc.

Only loses to Rondo because there are no alternate levels and no extra characters.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: uzo on May 09, 2015, 02:34:42 AM
It is a lot like if Bloodlines and SuperCVIV had a baby. Totally worth the play, though it feels like a well put together fan game than an official title given all the graphical borrowing from different styles, scales (SotN mixed with GBA titles), and things like a touhou boss.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: RichterB on May 09, 2015, 02:56:21 AM
It is a fantastic game. For me, it was the best Castlevania since Aria of Sorrow. Despite being a low-budget title in terms of overall production values and innovations, there is a lot to this game.

Each lengthy level has various paths dictated by secret passages and/or keys, and these become increasingly strategic depending on which mode you play the game on.

It has three modes of play: Easy, Normal, and Hard. Each mode has alternate platforming and enemy selection/placement layouts.* In addition, there are settings that alter how you play the game. You can choose to have classic controls where there is no mid-air jump control, or you can have surprisingly accurate and fun motion controls. Hard Mode is the most complete game for content overall, but it might be too challenging to start with. There is also a hidden level select cheat that lets you practice any stage you've reached. The music is a nice mix of classic and rare tunes from the series. Bottom line, there is a lot of ways to enjoy/experience this game.

While it has "The Adventure" moniker, it has only a few homages to the original game, which can be a bit disappointing. In terms of gameplay, it's probably closest to a stripped down/more focused Rondo of Blood. Anyway, it's worth the money if you're a fan of Classicvania. It's better overall than Contra Rebirth.

*If you want to know some of the mode differences, I documented some below:
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Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: shelverton. on May 09, 2015, 04:51:53 AM
It feels a bit less 'epic' than Rondo and Super CV4, and I found that the levels lacked clear identities, or something. Still, it is a superb classicvania, the best of the ReBirth games, and well worth playing. I wish this game was on the 3DS eShop. Or in a physical 3DS collection with Contra and Gradius.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: X on May 09, 2015, 04:56:45 AM
I'd say it is worth the price to play it now when compared to its first release. I enjoyed it but found wanting something more akin to an actual modern translation of the gameboy 'The Adventure' rather then the rebirth that we got instead. While its not a stellar title as would be other classicvanias, I would still recommend it for a good throwback to classicvania play-style.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: Claimh Solais on May 09, 2015, 06:45:27 AM
Well, I'd say from the replies that it's worth a purchase. I guess I can dust my Wii off and finally get around to this game. Some other questions about it are though...

-How long is one playthrough generally? I wouldn't imagine that long, couple hours tops maybe.
-What's the level of difficulty? Maybe in comparison to other games in the series.
-How hard is the Hard difficulty?
-Are there any unlockables or secrets in the game?
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: Foffy on May 09, 2015, 07:23:02 AM
Well, I'd say from the replies that it's worth a purchase. I guess I can dust my Wii off and finally get around to this game. Some other questions about it are though...

-How long is one playthrough generally? I wouldn't imagine that long, couple hours tops maybe.
-What's the level of difficulty? Maybe in comparison to other games in the series.
-How hard is the Hard difficulty?
-Are there any unlockables or secrets in the game?

- Playthroughs match that of Classicvanias. If you're good, they're less than an hour long.
- The game scales a lot based on difficulty and playstyle. For example, if you play with Classic controls, you are limited to Christopher's EU/JP subweapons from Belmont's Revenge (you get the Cross and Holy Water, and I believe the Knife, Stopwatch, and Axe get removed), get a NES era jump you must commit to, and Christopher's fire attacks can be taken away if the enemy hits you once (the regular game lets you use it until a timer runs out, which also exists in Classic; it's just getting hit instantly ends the power).
- Hard not only adds enemies, it actually changes the level design. Some stages have totally new layouts on the hardest setting.
- You can unlock the Classic control setting by playing the game once. You don't even have to beat it; play the game and quit to the main menu to unlock it.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: RichterB on May 09, 2015, 07:43:08 PM
Well, I'd say from the replies that it's worth a purchase. I guess I can dust my Wii off and finally get around to this game. Some other questions about it are though...

-How long is one playthrough generally? I wouldn't imagine that long, couple hours tops maybe.
-What's the level of difficulty? Maybe in comparison to other games in the series.
-How hard is the Hard difficulty?
-Are there any unlockables or secrets in the game?

-I don't care how good of a Castlevania player one is. I'd be hard-pressed to believe anyone can beat this game fresh on Hard Mode (where there are more enemies, different patterns, and different traps) in one sitting. If you have an interest in "Classicvania" and you're playing on Hard Mode, you're going to be dumping hours into this game just to beat it. I think it takes about 30 minutes once you get everything nailed down, but I believe when I first beat it--after dumping hours in for several days to a week, that session took me a bit over 3 hours. There are unlimited continues; but one you run out of 1-ups, you start back at the beginning of a stage.

-When the mode is cranked up, challenge is somewhat like the SNES Castlevania: Dracula X, I guess. It's hard to compare. The game really is rather unique in some ways.

-BUT: Remember, each mode is basically a different game, so you're getting multiple potential playthroughs, and the easier ones are VERY easy and rather stripped down.

-Unlockables...There is the Classic mode stuff, and also a Stage Select that's earned when you get to a given level. You just hold right at the title screen to activate it. Each stage has at least two routes, and there are a number of various score bonuses or sub-weapons that are hidden in each stage. When you play on harder modes, knowing the hidden routes/short cuts and where to get 1-ups and sub-weapons becomes crucial.

Can't recall much else right now.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: theplottwist on May 09, 2015, 09:23:52 PM
This game has something that is so small, yet I like it so much: The whipping animation and when it hits the enemy feels so freaking satisfactory  :D
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 11, 2015, 05:17:49 AM
It's a good solid CV IMO. Worth the money and has the charm I originally loved about the series. A Belmont with a whip in a giant castle fighting bad guys. No xp, armor, potions, over the top gimmick systems but just simple whipping and sub weapons.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on May 11, 2015, 06:24:33 PM
It feels like a spiritual successor to RoB, for the most part. The only thing I don't like is that it re-uses music from CV: Bloodlines. :I
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: RichterB on May 12, 2015, 03:43:09 AM
This thread made me go play it today. I played it today on Hard Mode (with full, modern jumping controls) and 3 Lives. That's the way I first played it, not originally knowing how much the other modes changed the game's content and wanting a decent challenge after paying $10 for 6 levels...

Well, let me tell you, it's a really good "Classicvania" experience. It's been a while since I played this game's stages linearly, and I spent an hour-and-a-half, and only got up to the midpoint of Stage 4. For as simple as it may seem, THAT is how challenging and deep this game can be. Most of that time was spent struggling through Stage 3, but there is a real sense of reward, and you cannot truly see everything in one playthough because of the alternate routes within levels--some hidden behind walls, some locked by keys or other requirements.

Replaying it, it's got a little bit of everything Castlevania, pre-SotN. I would say it's mostly a mix of Rondo, Bloodlines, SNES Dracula X, and Castlevania Chronicles (Sharp X68000 version, non-arranged). I think the challenge on hard is maybe most like that Sharp X68000 game, actually. Even though it can be frustrating, I had a ton of fun playing it again. It hits the core of Castlevania extremely well, and actually has a fair amount of personality and unique identity within its mixture of game designs. It has some nice, obscure homages to Castlevania throughout, and the bosses (and mid-bosses!) feel fresher than usual. While most of it is breakneck action-platforming, there are moments where the stages are built around puzzles similar to, say, the MSX's Vampire Killer. Some reviews state that it has a bland aesthetic, but despite being slightly more cartoony/comic book-like in tone than I'd like, I find its stages and set pieces exude a pretty strong atmosphere with a good sense of consistency/continuity. There is an especially unique platforming sequence in Stage 2 that I love, and one of the alternate routes/short cuts teases a potential mid-boss from a later level.

Rebirth is probably still one of my favorite games from the last seven years. I had hoped it would mean a more embellished sequel that would mix Belmont's Revenge with Super Castlevania IV...but alas... As much as there is to be happy about the recent Igavania news, I don't think it will scratch the same kind of itch that The Adventure Rebirth does. There's a driving purity to its design that the Metroidvanias have never hit.

Here's an important tip: In this game, the whip's "hit box" extends slightly above and behind your character. This is crucial in tight spots, letting you go on the offensive and defensive all at once if you time your whip swings right.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: shelverton. on May 12, 2015, 05:17:48 AM
It feels like a spiritual successor to RoB, for the most part. The only thing I don't like is that it re-uses music from CV: Bloodlines. :I

Why do you hate Bloodlines music  :'(

No, but really: I think the game should've used the soundtrack from the original CV Adventure, and then added maybe a couple of new tracks, or possibly a few from Belmont's Revenge. I ADORE the soundtrack from Bloodlines, but this game would've been slightly cooler if it did stick to the roots it's claiming to stem from. That, or change the name to just "Castlevania ReBirth" and be done with it.

(EDIT: Still, I was very happy to hear Reincarnated Souls again - my #1 favorite "stage 1" song in the history of the franchise. There. I said it.)
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: Claimh Solais on May 12, 2015, 06:49:36 AM
I think the "The Adventure" part was added because the ReBirth series was apparently "Rebirthing" titles from Konami's Game Boy lineup. It's a bit of a shame that the only tracks on the game's OST from the GB games are "New Messiah" and the unused "Battle of the Holy". But still, the soundtrack is sick, and from the videos I've seen, really fit the game well (though the Load BGM is a questionable choice there). I love the way Drac was introduced with Riddle.

But yeah, I think I'm gonna pick it up. The CV games are all short (beat Dawn of Sorrow on my first playthrough in about 6 hours, and that was with generous exploration and I even farmed for the Valmanway), so this game being short doesn't bother me. Thanks for the opinions guys!
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: X on May 12, 2015, 03:00:14 PM
Battle of the Holy should have been stage 1's music.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: piscesdreams on May 12, 2015, 09:30:49 PM
Battle of the Holy should have been stage 1's music.

Agreed. It is also a shame a CV Adventure Rebirth 2 never happened.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on May 12, 2015, 10:00:42 PM
Why do you hate Bloodlines music  :'(

No, but really: I think the game should've used the soundtrack from the original CV Adventure, and then added maybe a couple of new tracks, or possibly a few from Belmont's Revenge. I ADORE the soundtrack from Bloodlines, but this game would've been slightly cooler if it did stick to the roots it's claiming to stem from. That, or change the name to just "Castlevania ReBirth" and be done with it.

(EDIT: Still, I was very happy to hear Reincarnated Souls again - my #1 favorite "stage 1" song in the history of the franchise. There. I said it.)

I love bloodlines music. It's just the reusing part i dont like.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 12, 2015, 11:48:18 PM
Yeah no Battle of the Holy is my only gripe of the game. And I guess splitting hair here but as others have said no sequel.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: piscesdreams on May 13, 2015, 12:31:54 AM
I always called it the last true Castlevania. To me HoD doesnt count. Man, good times. PoR in 2006, DXC in 2007, OoE in 2008, AR in 2009. It was a good time to be Castlevania fam.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: Claimh Solais on May 13, 2015, 03:11:23 AM
I love bloodlines music. It's just the reusing part i dont like.

It's not really reusing, since it was completely rearranged with a new soundfont. Tracks in CV get rearranged all the time, after all.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: Lelygax on May 14, 2015, 04:36:37 PM
It's not really reusing, since it was completely rearranged with a new soundfont. Tracks in CV get rearranged all the time, after all.

This, I love this Sunset Rider/Ninja Turtles soundfont.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: RichterB on May 14, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
QUESTION: Why do the clocks in Level 5 makes train whistle noises when you hit them? That's always confused me. I only can guess that maybe they had limited sound files, and it sounded closest to a grandfather clock's chimes gone haywire?

Anyway, been replaying the game, like I said, and I forgot how cool the alternate path is in Level 4
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I really like the different identities you get in the levels from different paths.

Also, I REALLY like the obscure, rearranged songs. They work awesomely. This was my first exposure to the LOAD BGM song, and it's got a cool vibe. That said, I wonder why Battle of the Holy wasn't used. They could have used it for Hard Mode's Stage 1, like how Contra 4 had different music for different modes. I wonder why they made the song at all if they didn't want to use it. And also Lost Painting from SotN is out there as apparently having been made for the game, but axed. Strange. One would have liked more GB era songs, but I think they maybe wanted this game to appeal to a wider group of gamers and Castlevania fans, so they didn't pick the GB songs completely. Though, that doesn't explain the strange (but awesome) song choices for Stage 2 and 4.
Title: Re: I need some opinions on Castlevania Rebirth...
Post by: piscesdreams on May 14, 2015, 08:05:58 PM
I really wish this game had remixed "Revenge". Jesus that is a highly underrated track in the series. But I can kind of see why, since it is so similar to "Heart of Fire".