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Title: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: TheouAegis on June 05, 2015, 01:51:36 AM
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Temptation of Saint Anthony - Salvator Rosa

(Gaibon is a bit of a stretch with the guys on the right, but that's definitely Slogra)
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: X on June 05, 2015, 02:59:12 PM
Yeah that's definitely Slogra. But Gaibon is just a straight-up Gargoyle. Nothing special for him really unless you count his massively built body unlike regular gargoyles. Back in the day this stuff would have been scary to the anyone of the illiterate society, but looking at it now it's more like the painter has some unresolved issues to contend with.

Sigmund Freud: "Now then Salvator Rosa. Tell me about your mother?"
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: TheouAegis on June 05, 2015, 07:42:06 PM
Well, I knew Gaibon would have been a big stretch off those guys.

But anyway, as much as it might disappoint the people who believed Slogra was some kind of dinosaur, the truth of the matter is he was just some demon thought up by an artist painting his rendition of a very, very popular scene from the history of Christianity.

Then when I looked into it a bit, when you consider Slogra's original name was Beligan, (or Berrigan in some transliterations). Beli- may have come from Belial, the -g- may have just been a conjunction, and -an may have come from Anthony. Then again, the duo's name may have also just been based on jazz musicians.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: X on June 05, 2015, 11:29:26 PM
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But anyway, as much as it might disappoint the people who believed Slogra was some kind of dinosaur

I originally thought he was a dinosaur too. Considering the SNES game guide told us it was so and we had nothing else to go on. Heck, we didn't have internet then. Later on I read that Slogra is being mentioned as a servant of Death but honestly I really don't know "what" he is. The term Demon might not be correct either so I guess monster is as accurate as it gets.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: theplottwist on June 18, 2015, 10:40:09 PM
I always thought he had come from this painting, but your reference is most likely the correct one.

Image is NSFW.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on June 19, 2015, 03:05:50 AM
Woah woah WOAH guys... Be careful with your images. We got kiddies here (like me f.e) who may want that stuff in spoilers while his little sister is around so that she doesn't go run and tell their parents that Phenix was looking up naked women on his computer in public and then Phenix has to explain to his parents what happened... I'm getting off subject. ;-;
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 19, 2015, 03:22:20 AM
The said image is now in a spoiler tag. Click it when you're safe.
Sometimes people here forget that this forum has kiddies.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: X on June 19, 2015, 05:55:12 AM
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Woah woah WOAH guys... Be careful with your images. We got kiddies here (like me f.e) who may want that stuff in spoilers while his little sister is around so that she doesn't go run and tell their parents that Phenix was looking up naked women on his computer in public and then Phenix has to explain to his parents what happened... I'm getting off subject. ;-;

Try not to take things like this too personally. The human body is nothing to be ashamed of. Also back in the day when humanity had almost no clothing, people were quite comfortable running around with everything laying bare. Besides the whole idea of shame stems from religious ideology and those are not good thoughts to feed. Especially to the younger generation who do not have the shame mindset assimilated (or in some cases) beaten into them by others. People need to learn, and to teach others that there is no shame about the human body as it is literally art; poetry in motion. You're argument is very understandable and many have gotten into trouble in the past about said images, but that should also tell you something about them; about what kind of issues they might have.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: theplottwist on June 19, 2015, 04:32:34 PM
Sorry dudes, the thought that a minor couldn't see a piece of art didn't even spring up in my head, much less the one that he would have such a hassle to explain their parents that it's merely a piece of art. This won't happen again, I promise.

...But god forbid you see Michelangelo's statue of David  :o
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: X on June 20, 2015, 01:00:30 AM
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...But god forbid you see Michelangelo's statue of David  :o

A prized statue from a golden age of artistic antiquity  :)
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: XombieMike on June 23, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
Wow, yeah that has to be the inspiration! Cool find! I live thus kind of stuff. It's like finding a secret.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on June 26, 2015, 12:10:24 PM
Try not to take things like this too personally. The human body is nothing to be ashamed of. Also back in the day when humanity had almost no clothing, people were quite comfortable running around with everything laying bare. Besides the whole idea of shame stems from religious ideology and those are not good thoughts to feed. Especially to the younger generation who do not have the shame mindset assimilated (or in some cases) beaten into them by others. People need to learn, and to teach others that there is no shame about the human body as it is literally art; poetry in motion. You're argument is very understandable and many have gotten into trouble in the past about said images, but that should also tell you something about them; about what kind of issues they might have.

I never had anything against this. I just don't want my sister running around telling my parents and my friends that I look up naked people on my computer. :/
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: Intersection on June 28, 2015, 05:39:42 PM
Since when were classical paintings NSFW? There's a pretty clear difference here between art and pornography. With that line of thought, we might as well put Salvator Rosa's work under spoiler tags. After all, God forbid we see the demon's genitals.

Besides, if your parents ask you why you're looking up naked people on your computer, just tell them you're interested in 17th century art. If anything, they'll be thrilled.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: Gunlord on June 28, 2015, 05:55:57 PM
Some folks are touchier than others, Intersection, you never know. I know for a fact real politicians have voted to cover up actual artwork they deemed "naughty" (http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=10338 (http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=10338)). So I don't think its unreasonable to be safe than sorry, y'know? Might as well take a few risks as possible :)
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: X on June 29, 2015, 05:26:14 AM
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I know for a fact real politicians have voted to cover up actual artwork they deemed "naughty" (http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=10338 (http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=10338)).

Those people are full of s**t! They don't know what they are talking about. They only know one thing; Politics. And politics have absolutely nothing to do with art, what art is, or what's acceptable for art. If they do know art then it's the bills of cash they keep in their pockets.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: Gunlord on June 29, 2015, 07:01:59 AM
Yeah, I agree, X. Just sayin' I can't blame the above posters if they'd like some stuff covered up, even if it is fine art :)
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: X on June 29, 2015, 03:05:27 PM
Fair enough. Well all have our responsibilities to contend with  :)
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: TheouAegis on July 03, 2015, 11:17:24 PM
Reading ABOUT that painting is just as disturbing as the painting.

It's possible they based Slogra off of both: They took Rosa's demon and Ernst's phallic spear. But I think they'd have been more familiar with a painting of Saint Anthony than a warped wedding painting.
Title: Re: The origin of Slogra (and Gaibon?)
Post by: Belmontoya on July 03, 2015, 11:24:43 PM
The slogra battle in scv4 was amazing. Scared the crap out of me.