You could interpret the games that way, but I really don't think they were trying to make a sequel.
Really when game designers intend for a game to be related narratively to another in a series they make it very clear or at least definitively imply it. I don't even see a solid implication here.
That said it is fun to speculate and consider what might be.
Although it is kind of funny to think of it as Simon's third battle with Dracula. On his wedding day, no less.
He had to be thinking "Oh come on NOT THIS AGAIN I SWEAR I HAVE THE WORST LUCK" :-X
how do you explain that the castle its up? Dracula needs all his power to resurrect the Castle or use a person or other powers, i dont think that the wife of Simon have the power to do that and Dracula needs more than 15 or 25 years (100 normal) to get up the Castle alone or thats what i always think works the Castle.
i thought that Haunted Castle was released before Simon's Quest. (too lazy to double check)
Well in pages with info about the game its say this:
"Count Dracula sleeps for a long hundred of years. During this time, peace exists at the village and Dracula is nothing but a mere legend.
However, one day a young couple named Simon and Serena were celebrating their wedding at the village's church.
The couple were enveloped with happiness, as the wedding bells rang, their future seemed blessed...
Suddenly, the empty sky was covered with dark clouds and with a rolling thunder that shook the earth, Dracula has once again awakened. Asking for the beautiful girl's blood, he flew down during the middle of the wedding and suddenly took the bride with him.
Now in order to save Serena, Simon heads to the demon castle."
The problem its who knows if was write exactly of what they say in japan, in spanish sounds like Super Castlevania in a part where its say Simon once again weild the whip and goes to the castle or something like that but in english dont say that, in english its say young couple and Simon cant be young i think but like i say before its better to find the history in japanese and someone that can read that told us what its say.
i thought that Haunted Castle was released before Simon's Quest. (too lazy to double check)
I mentioned in the recent Headcanon thread that my own take on Haunted Castle when I played through it recently was that it was Simon's fourth battle with Dracula (Super Castlevania IV being his third battle with Drac). Of course, I was deliberately fanon recasting games that were remakes as sequels wherever possible, just because it made it 'more fun' for me in my approach to them. Haunted Castle was easy though because out of all the Castlevania remakes, it actually had the most unique plot with the Serena/Selena angle added in.
By the same token you could state that HK is a prequel to CV1.
But the CV1 manual says that it was Christopher that beaten Dracula before CV1, 100 years before.
It says that Trevor battles Dracula 100 years before Simon. Again, there is a link to the original japanese manual if someone wants to give a check and know what it says. http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/NewCV/manual-jcv3.htm (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/NewCV/manual-jcv3.htm)
@Lelygax I'm still not really understanding how CV1 would mention a game that hasn't been released yet.
That would be like The Legend of Zelda (LoZ) mentioning ALTTP in its manual.
If the Chronicles manual references Christopher, that I can understand.
I know about the American CV3 manual stating the 100 yr placement, but not entirely certain why this is relevant when we're analysing CV1's manual?
@Lelygax I'm still not really understanding how CV1 would mention a game that hasn't been released yet.Using LoZ as an example, they mentioned in ALTTP that Ganon was sealed and all, a foreshadowing for a game that hasn't made yet. The thing is that they could or couldn't be planning to make a game showing this at the time, even so there is not hindering them from detailing more about past events.
That would be like The Legend of Zelda (LoZ) mentioning ALTTP in its manual.
If the Chronicles manual references Christopher, that I can understand.
I know about the American CV3 manual stating the 100 yr placement, but not entirely certain why this is relevant when we're analysing CV1's manual?
You may want to take a look at this:
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv3/documents/CV3J.txt (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv3/documents/CV3J.txt)
Well shut my mouth.. The English manual really didn't do it justice. It didn't even mention Simon's name as I recall.
How long ago did you read it? We all remember things differently from our childhood, only to see it again and be baffled how different it is (happened to me with Goldeneye on the 64)
I have a many flaws like not being able to read Japanese. But my memory is not 1 of them.
All it says is "The count has waited 100 years for a rematch. He's ready. Are you?"
http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/img/cv/manual/nes/3.jpg (http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/img/cv/manual/nes/3.jpg)
What a crappy manual compared to the original
Oh lol, it does seem like a pretty shitty manual. Maybe for the GBA rerelease? (the link doesn't work)
There is it! You're right, no mention of Chris whatesoever. It's just some throwaway, barebones CV1 plot lol. Maybe a later release, and they cut down the story to save space in the manual?
Honestly I thought the manual was so cool when I was a kid, I don't even know how I knew the protagonist's name (maybe I learned it in CVII's manual and assumed is was the same Hero). I actually think the Simon's Quest Tiger game's manual was copied, I specifically remember it having a similar layout with Dracula being worth 50,000 points or something similar.
Making you own timelines is one of the most fun things to do! I even have a James Bond one as well as for CV.
James Bond with the help of Quincy Morris defeats Dracula :p
Zangetsu, your timeline in your signature looks fascinating. Would you mind elaborating on it? I'd love to understand it more fully.
Thanks!
And I remember DracX/VK mentioning it takes place a century after Simon in the intro, but it doesn't matter. I hate Judgement, but it does allow for these alternate universe timelines. Wish Judgement was 2D but that's for another discussion lol.
I was under the impression that Desmond was intended to be Simon's father according to the creators of OoS.
I remember reading an interview with the creator stating that Desmond has red hair specifically to show that he is.
I was under the impression that Desmond was intended to be Simon's father according to the creators of OoS.
I remember reading an interview with the creator stating that Desmond has red hair specifically to show that he is.
I think the creator missed the part about the original games showing Simon without red hair as it was originally blond.
The flaw in the theory of Desmond being after Simon though is that Castlevania occurs in 1691 - there really isn't much time left in the 17th Century for OoS to occur after Simon (unless Desmond and his sisters are Simon's kids, and Simon was the father that was killed... and there is that statue in the Medusa lair... and hmmm). What really gets me about OoS was that(click to show/hide)
Really enjoyed reading your thoughts on the timeline you've constructed and how you came about it. No putting of Adventure Rebirth into one of the alternate timelines?
Plot, I was thinking if the castle in OOS didn't crumble then what if Desmond fought the Guardian of Dracula's soul like in 64/ LOD ? In Carrie/ Reinhardt's playthrough, the bad ending only allows you to fight 'old Drac' aka the Guardian to his soul.
Since these instances don't happen on the main timeline anymore, it actually makes sense that the same dynamics apply to the same alternate universe.
Bloodlines isn't really Canon to the Iga-verse, but the events are retconed to PoR.
Castlevania 2 and HoD are essentially the same narrative, Collecting parts of Dracula to destory his remnants.
Possibilities are endless......
The Constant is of course Cv1 and remakes.
Legends -> Cv3 -> Scv -> HoD; Belmonts are Dracula descent, explains why Trevor set a grave stone for Dracula in the first place and why Juste is essentially Alucard Belmont.
LoI -> Cv3 -> Cv1 -> Cv2 (bad ending) -> CoTM (OR) [LoD + CV64] -> Bloodlines; More emphasis on the Weapon Vampire Killer, Giving a Master Sword Narrative
IGA timeline; More emphasis on the bloodline narrative
Cv3 -> Bram Stoker's Dracula -> Bloodlines Trilogy (that never happened), self explanitory
Only problem with a solid Timeline is most games are very open ended, but this is very, very good for castlevania.
Let's take into consideration that Every game is in fact Canon, but not all in the same universe. This can benefit everything since a singe timeline with non-canon games leaves a very bloated chain of events, this can actually slim down and organize timelines based on the current game in speculation. giving Castlevania Multiple endings.
These are so great! It's like no matter how much we've played the game in the series, there's always something new for us! I'm loving this, KaZudra! One reason because Sonia is my second fav. Belmont and we can include Legends in some form with a series of alternate universes. Like I said, the only thing I like about Judgement is the evidence of these alternate timelines.
And I have even squeezed her in my Lords of Shadow headcanon timeline.
Yes, this would mean that the Dracula in Legends is actually Gabriel, and Alucard is Trevor. Sonia is a descendant of LoS' Simon, and her child is hers with Alucard - but is NOT Trevor.
I'm just waiting for a response from Enric Alvarez so this timeline can make sense in my head.
I'm liking that too! But then that would mean that Tevor basically had a child with Sonia :-X I haven't played MoF, so if Tevor becomes a completely different entity or something when becoming Alucard and has no traces of being trevor left, then I'd be completely down for this theory as well!
Yeah, the incest is something I'm struggling with resolving for this to make sense lol
Unless Sonia has adopted the name like Gabriel did centuries ago, then it becomes a very big issue. But it's important to remember that, in the LoS timeline, bloodlines are next to irrelevant. Sonia could be someone who received the name but is not a Belmont descendant, YET she can still wield a whip and fight evil.
Lol definitely needs some work. I must say, though, I love the idea of this! Part of Sonia's backstory was that she is seeking revenge after Drac. destroyed the Belmont manor and her family, her grandfather teaching her about the whip. So maybe ancestors of Simon make up this family and they adopt Sonia. Even then, Trevor/Alucard would be suspicious of the Belmont name and stay away from relations to her.
This is an intriguing development.. I just had a lightbulb moment.
If theplottwist and I merged our Legends timelines:
LOS>MOF>LOS2>>>Legends>SCIV>>>>>>>>OOS>LOD>64>VK
Simon from LOS was Sonia's Grandfather from the Legends prologue.
Reason being is that she may not be a Belmont by blood, which is why he isn't her father.
Sonia defeats Dracula (Gabriel/ Vlad) had a child with Alucard (Trevor) who she names "Simon" after her Grandfather.
This is the same Simon from SCIV, who defeats Dracula during the middle ages "hundreds of years" prior to Richter Belmont.
OOS' Desmond defeats the "guardian of Dracula's sleeping spirit, thus Castlevania doesn't crumble. The Castle remains active.
Desmond has at least one son and one daughter - the daughter begins the Schneider lineage off the existing Belmont Bloodline. Therefore, Desmond being Reinhardt Schneider's ancestor (red hair and all).
Desmond's son carries the Belmont name, however, the Schneider's were either more well skilled to use the Vampire Killer, or they were passed it for another reason. (like on the main timeline)
Cornell defeats the real but not yet fully resurrected Dracula who absorbs his Lycan form, resurrecting as his first born child, Malus.
The guardian of Dracula's sleeping spirit is defeated by Reinhardt and Carrie (like Richter/ Maria at the end of SOTN), they then defeat the real Dracula (aka Malus)
Richter Belmont is the last Belmont descended from Gabriel to defeat Dracula (who now looks like Malus due to his previous incarnation).
FIN
Castlevania needs more St Germain, Aeon, and Time Reaper.
I don't know if that would better the series. However, I really believe that adding St Germain as the 2nd playable character to COD rather than Trevor would've been a much better and more interesting idea. The game could've had a completely different dynamic.It'll be great, Guilty Gear is a good example of crazy time travel alterations.
It'll be great, Guilty Gear is a good example of crazy time travel alterations.
The Galamoth Wars could be a good basis, St Germain and Aeon are keeping Galamoth at bay, with the Presence of Dracula. But Dracula will never work with the good guys to Kill Galamoth, so They work a way to make Dracula into a good guy, probably fighting Time reaper along the way, a possible headcanon involves Julius actually Killing Dracula's actual Soul in 1999, just to find out Galamoth has waited for this moment to emerge, and since the good guys were only prepared for Dracula, they were completely overwhelmed, So Julius goes back to stop himself from completely killing Dracula to let him reincarnate and wipe his memories. thus a possible Sorrow 3 where Soma finally goes head to head with Galamoth.
this is just one example, the possibilities for games can be endless again (in iga/classic-verse)
Interesting potential. I don't know if I believe the soul even in a fictional sense could be destroyed though as the soul is a form of energy; which can only be converted from one form into another but never destroyed.
But it could be interesting if Julius went back to give himself amnesia and take the Vampire Killer off his past self. This would also explain why he could defeat Dracula then get amnesia, remembering he left the Vk behind but still having amnesia prior to that point in time.
The question is why didn't Dracula kill Galamoth himself, and if he couldn't why wouldn't he side with the forces of good and just try to kill them when their guard is lowered? Obviously Dracula doesn't have dominion over Galamoth, but this is not to say he could not find a way to destroy him. Mathias was a genius tactician of war, incredibly intelligent, one would doubt if he fears anyone. Didn't Alucard beat Galamoth in SOTN?
Also although non-canon the story you proposed is reminding me of LOS' final chapter where Gabriel fights TF1 in LOS.
The question is why didn't Dracula kill Galamoth himself,
It's stage 3 for sure. Yeah that place was rather unique. Simon (so far) is the only Belmont to be taken into such a realm. Maybe that place itself is a tine sliver of the chaotic realm.
That zone looks more like Athens judging by the Architecture.
However, I actually believe it's Dracula's dimension within the Castle.
At the end of HC when Simon walks into the final room to fight Dracula, what flies in? A harpy.
What does that harpy transform into? Dracula form 1. To further back up my point, watch it on YouTube, the warp happens just as Simon approaches a painting of Dracula on the wall.
I think this dimension is the source of Dracula's power.
There's actually a way to get around the whole "such and such couldn't have fought Dracula because at the time Dracula was dead/sealed away/ on vacation in Tahiti" stuff.
There was a Hammer horror movie called Taste the Blood of Dracula where after Dracula was dead, somebody came along, gathered up his dried blood and ... well, you heard the title.
And with that, the person was transformed and Dracula was reborn.
So, let's say Dracula was dead/gone/whatever.
Assuming a similar effect, somebody could have got some of his blood, or maybe his eye or fingernail or something consumed it, and was corrupted by it turning them into ... not really Dracula, but a copy of Dracula, possibly a weaker or flawed copy. The real guy is still resting, but there's somebody else out there that's mostly Dracula, and may even believe themselves to be the real thing.
Can either of you recommend a movie that captures the essence of Castlevania/ Dracula that is preferably oldschool?
Can either of you recommend a movie that captures the essence of Castlevania/ Dracula that is preferably oldschool?
I hear Nosferatu is good but I'm not sure where to start with oldschool films.
I'd also suggest the movie Warlock.
The main character is a holy warrior dressed in furs that even uses a whip while the villain of the piece is a rather suave and elegant magic user dressed all in black.
Just make sure to watch the original Clash of the Titans. The recent remake left a lot to be desired despite the fact the Medusa was hot as hell :-[
Haven't seen it yet, and its not old school, but Van Helsing seems to literally be a Castlevania movie, Dracula and the universal monsters in league for an action film.
I'm convinced this movie was inspired by Castlevania. I remember seeing an early trailer where Gabriel (yeah, that is the name of the main character) throws a cross shaped boomerang blade thing, but was changed into a more shuriken looking thing in the final cut.
Moreover, in the video game adaptation of the movie there is a library in the castle and one of the books mentions the Belmont clan by name.
You know what's ironic, I also believe this movie inspired LOS. The snow-covered mountains in the approach to Carmilla's Castle specifically. The atmosphere of LOS in the vampire stages felt very Van Helsing to me.
I'd say the inclusion of The Creature and Igor were enough to make me think of CV right off the bat. I mean how many horror flicks have all 3 in one film? That and "The Map" leading to Dracula's Castle (which they put a cool spin on) was always iconic in CV between levels.
Funny how LoS inspired Dracula Untold. If you haven't seen it, its literally a LoS adaptation in all but name. I know it didn't get the best reviews, but I loved it (maybe because it was the movie that my gf and I saw before we got together lol). Action film starring Vlad, showing ghow he became a vampire.
The ending was also a complete rip-off of LOS too.My significant other was so looking forward to a sequel and I had to disappoint her saying "Sorry, but they've just copied Castlevania."(click to show/hide)
The ending was also a complete rip-off of LOS too.My significant other was so looking forward to a sequel and I had to disappoint her saying "Sorry, but they've just copied Castlevania."(click to show/hide)
No one mentioned League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Dracula 2000 is also another good Drac Flick. (Don't bother with Dracula 3000 unless you just want to see a old school Dracula running through space...no really.)
No one mentioned League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Dracula 2000 is also another good Drac Flick. (Don't bother with Dracula 3000 unless you just want to see a old school Dracula running through space...no really.)
Funny how LoS inspired Dracula Untold. If you haven't seen it, its literally a LoS adaptation in all but name. I know it didn't get the best reviews, but I loved it (maybe because it was the movie that my gf and I saw before we got together lol). Action film starring Vlad, showing ghow he became a vampire.
So basically it's replaced Van Helsing as the "If you want a Castlevania movie, just watch this, pretend it says Castlevania in the title, and pretend the main guy is named Belmont" movie?
Yes. Gabe Belmont, specifically.