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Title: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Intersection on September 01, 2015, 05:52:14 PM

http://www.polygon.com/2015/9/1/9237005/metal-gear-solid-5-phantom-pain-mother-base-coins-microtransactions (http://www.polygon.com/2015/9/1/9237005/metal-gear-solid-5-phantom-pain-mother-base-coins-microtransactions)

I just hoped Konami would have the decency not to do this to the last game of its console era. MGS5 is getting glowering reviews, and I'll be buying it this week, but there's nothing like knowing that I'll have the option to spend $80 online on top of a $60 game...

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 02, 2015, 04:00:09 AM

KONAMI. What do you expect?  ;)

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: zangetsu468 on September 02, 2015, 04:03:34 AM

Quote from: Shiroi Koumori on September 02, 2015, 04:00:09 AM

KONAMI. What do you expect?  ;)

More like

KONAMI: We don't care and it shows

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Super Waffle on September 02, 2015, 09:07:39 AM

So can we use this thread to talk about how awful Phantom Pain's writing is?

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Inccubus on September 02, 2015, 05:43:38 PM

Go for it, I say. I've watched a few reviews of this and that "demo" they released and it all looks pretty much like they did everything I would have done to make this game as generic as possible while removing almost everything that made Metal Gear unique.
I've never been much of a fan of the newer games in the series, but I can see how this particular iteration might rub fans the wrong way.
Looking at how far Kojima took his Metal Gear game in the direction of Splinter Cell makes me wonder if all of the changes were pushed by the execs and if Silent Hills would have gotten the same treatment.

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Super Waffle on September 02, 2015, 07:16:13 PM

Okay now where do I start with these god damn spoilers?

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How about how the game ends with a completely retarded "psychological" plot twist that cops out on the entire point of the game and is just there for the sake of a plot twist? And I'm not even saying that from the perspective of "Well I'm a diehard Big Boss fanboy and I would only like this game if I were legitimately playing as Big Boss." I like MGS3, I really like Rising (the only time the 3D games got down a consistent style imo), and I'm pretty "Yeah whatever" about the rest of the Solid games (the gameplay is fun, but they get a little too preachy for my tastes). The plot twist in V is just stupid by any standard. Watching Big Boss slowly descend into villainhood as he struggles with his grievous combat scars? Being forced to kill his own men to prevent a parasite infection from reaching the mainland? They're all good ideas, but they're completely invalidated the moment you go "SURPRISE! You're not actually Big Boss!"

How about how said dumb plot twist invalidates the entire thematic purpose of the Metal Gear Solid story arc as a whole? Sins of the father? Genetic manipulation? Patriots playing God and spending years trying to artificially breed the perfect successor to Big Boss in a lab? Oh, nevermind. That was all a colossal waste of time. All you need to do to make a flawless 1:1 copy of Big Boss (so close that the player can't even tell them apart!) is take some rando chopper medic and throw Big Boss' face on him with plastic surgery.

Or how about the fact this is a multi-million dollar budget AAA game in Anno Domini two thousand fucking fifteen and it pulls the "loop the player back to the beginning of the playthrough and make them replay the entire main game with incremental difficulty before they can see the proper ending" Bravely Default/Ghosts n Goblins thing to artificially extend its content?

And whatever else I've been bitching about on my blog. (http://abicion.tumblr.com/tagged/metal-gear-solid-v)

Pretty good music tho.

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Super Waffle on September 03, 2015, 10:20:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg0CMDS-350 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg0CMDS-350)

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: GuyStarwind on September 04, 2015, 12:46:54 AM

I really want to play this still because I've played the others and really enjoy them

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: X on September 04, 2015, 04:27:24 AM

Even if it is a screwed-up mess of a story I'll play the game and see how it is. I've come to expect this kind of thing out of Kojima's writing. It's almost as if he's saying "you'd better stop requesting more MGS games cause they're only going to get all the more strange from here-on out."

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Belmontoya on September 04, 2015, 11:39:52 AM

Konami puts out a game with damn near perfect critic reviews and still you guys gotta rip the shit out of it.

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Inccubus on September 05, 2015, 01:46:03 PM

And what does it matter what the critics have to say on it?
They are still just giving out their personal opinions which are no more or less valid than those f anyone else.
This is no different than when some long-time fans disliked Lords of Shadow because of the changes made there.
Hell, it's no different than the time people complained about SotN.
When an established series gets a sequel that makes significant changes to the core features that made it popular in the first place there will always be people who don't like it and they will be vocal about it.
Regardless of critical praise there are things that were done that pissed people off and they can discuss, bitch, moan, and complain all they want.
I would say that negative feedback is more important and significant in the long run because it helps developers identify what they did wrong, but I doubt there will even be another console Metal Gear game any time soon.
Oh, and...
#Fuckonami

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: X on September 05, 2015, 03:53:48 PM

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Konami puts out a game with damn near perfect critic reviews and still you guys gotta rip the shit out of it.

Chances are most of those critics never even played the game, and if they did they did not get very far into it. IMHO, those who have played the game from beginning to end have the more honest critiques then the official critics ever will. I have to agree with Inccubus on this one. Today I'll be picking up my copy and see the game for myself then I can decide for myself whether or not it is good, mediocre or bad.

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: JR on September 06, 2015, 08:19:04 AM

Yeah, I don't really trust the critics on this one, either. Look at the scores for MGS4...that one was overhyped, too. Not a bad game, but definitely not near-perfect, as the review scores would have you believe.

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Lelygax on September 06, 2015, 10:20:04 AM

Quote from: Intersection on September 01, 2015, 05:52:14 PM

http://www.polygon.com/2015/9/1/9237005/metal-gear-solid-5-phantom-pain-mother-base-coins-microtransactions (http://www.polygon.com/2015/9/1/9237005/metal-gear-solid-5-phantom-pain-mother-base-coins-microtransactions)

I just hoped Konami would have the decency not to do this to the last game of its console era. MGS5 is getting glowering reviews, and I'll be buying it this week, but there's nothing like knowing that I'll have the option to spend $80 online on top of a $60 game...

Since Im fleeing from spoilers (Super Waffle, using a spoiler tag in that post could be a better idea) I don't have much to add. But this was well known since like 4 months or more I think. Yeah, I also dislike it and they did something similiar in Resident Evil Revelations 2 online mode.

Sadly this is becoming a unwanted trend.

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Intersection on September 06, 2015, 01:04:05 PM

Quote from: Lelygax on September 06, 2015, 10:20:04 AM

Since Im fleeing from spoilers (Super Waffle, using a spoiler tag in that post could be a better idea) I don't have much to add. But this was well known since like 4 months or more I think.

Until recently, a lot of people believed that their premium currency could also be acquired in-game - Konami reps were even quoted as saying that in a major news outlet. They did a 180 on Twitter a few days ago, but the damage was done.


Besides, I'm more concerned about its Konami's general gaming philosophy than about its transparency. Had MGS5 offered content-filled DLC, people like me would've bought them in no time at all. But instead they chose to implement a woefully overpriced system that's very reminiscent of mobile microtransactions; it makes it look like Konami executives just couldn't resist throwing their new business dogma into what's probably one of the company's last console games.

It's really this lack of respect that's been bothering me, even if I know that the "old Konami" is gone and not coming back. Years from now, I'll probably keep stumbling on the distorted head of Alucard in some crappy cash-grabbing mobile game, and it will irritate me, no matter how little I care about the company.

In essence, I just wish Konami would leave its old, respected franchises alone. I wouldn't even mind if they sold off their intellectual property for millions of their coveted dollars - we might at least get a new, decent publisher in charge. I know it's wishful thinking, but one can still dream...

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Super Waffle on September 06, 2015, 02:10:14 PM

I keep forgetting we have a spoiler tag.

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Lelygax on September 07, 2015, 12:40:53 AM

Quote from: Super Waffle on September 06, 2015, 02:10:14 PM

I keep forgetting we have a spoiler tag.

Well, I can't undo what I've already read, but that is okay. I was only asking this favor because someone else can come and read it too like I did. :P

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Inccubus on September 15, 2015, 07:24:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47o4EcA4ENE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47o4EcA4ENE)

Interesting interpretation of the twisty ending.

Obviously... ***SPOILERS***

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid 5 has... microtransactions
Post by: Super Waffle on September 16, 2015, 03:24:07 PM

Quote from: Inccubus on September 15, 2015, 07:24:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47o4EcA4ENE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47o4EcA4ENE)

Interesting interpretation of the twisty ending.

Obviously... ***SPOILERS***

Okay that's all nice and everything but

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Big Boss IS evil in MG2, he IS a lunatic threatening the world with nuclear destruction in that game, and there is no convenient handwavy body double explanation to defend his actions (because the double was killed in MG1). Where does that fit into your interpretation, Mr. Video Maker Man? Are we just supposed to ignore the obvious and pretend Kojima was always trying to portray Big Boss as the unsung tragic hero back in MG2, and he wasn't just sloppily retconned that way through a quadrillion other games?