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Title: Terminator Genisys
Post by: darkmanx_429 on November 11, 2015, 11:50:52 PM

I actually liked this movie alot. Way better than T3 and Salvation.

The only thing that annoyed me was the casting. They should of offered Robert Patrick boat loads of money to reprise his role as the T-1000 or at least CGI his face. (Still don't know why they didn't do that) Speaking of which, every scene with the T-1000 was cool as f*ck.

And they should of re-casted Michael Biehn as Reese. He would of been older and it would of worked.

I hated the fact that basically made Reese a bodybuilder bigger than John. It just looks odd, especially in a dstopian future.Didn't mind Connor this time around, and it helped that they based the makeup from the makeup from T2. Even though that scene was done by the director of Platoon.

The future war scenes in this movie were more faithful to the T2 scene then the whole movie of Salvation. They literally could have done the whole movie in that style and it would of been great!

Emilie Clark was ok as Sarah in looks but she no Linda Hamiton and why is she so short?

What does everyone else think?

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 12, 2015, 02:22:55 AM

I know I'll probably be frowned upon for this but I actually liked it as much if not better than T2.
T3 was average and I didn't bother with Salvation, but the preview for this and watching the film was scratching me right where I was itching.
The plot execution isn't flawless but I'm a fan of multi-dimensional timetravel elements in sci-fi and I think John Connor's role in this film was very unexpected and interesting.

I will say that imo the T-1000 effects aren't really any better than they were in T2 (aside form being rendered in HD) if anything they appear slightly more rigid. However the actor in T2 who played T-1000 seems like his composure and mannerisms are quite rigid (at least they were for T2) thus I believe at the time it allowed his liquid metal form to appear more smooth in transition.

SPOILERS:

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I like that Skynet still has a core and doesn't go the route of T3 to say "You can't touch me because I'm the internet".. Lame af
I like the throwbacks to T2 with Dyson and the fact it basically tells T3 to go molest itself in a dark corner :P

Did anyone think it was weird that "Pops" just found child Sarah Connor? Presumably Skynet knowing it couldn't beat JC tried to correct the past by eliminating Sarah. However, say this did happen, how is it that Pops was just there?
There's something sinister about that twist, Sarah claims that the T-1000 destroyed her parents' cabin and sunk the boat that she was on, yet Pops just happened to arrive, saving her. The same Pops who acquires T-1000 Liquid metal properties at the end of the film.. Something isn't sitting right here.

I like the positive (potential) outcome of the film rather than the bleak open-ended feeling of T2. Although I felt T2's atmosphere was probably more distinct overall I'd be more likely to watch this again over it having seen T2 so many times in the past. I will say for nostalgia/ classic value this will not beat T2 though, and it certainly is not ahead of its time the way T2 was.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: X on November 12, 2015, 05:06:22 AM

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I like that Skynet still has a core and doesn't go the route of T3 to say "You can't touch me because I'm the internet".. Lame af

So do I. I've yet to see the movie, but I will eventually. However, even though Skynet escaped via the internet, it had to go someplace as the world was about to come to an end (internet included). Cyberspace can't exist without the world-wide connection. So even if the internet scenario happened Skynet would still have to find the most secure place it could locate. In this case it was the SAC-NORAD subterranean military facility, where in T1 and T2 it permanently rests till the end of the war with the machines. It can't go anywhere else as the are no longer other facilities housing supercomputers anymore.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: darkmanx_429 on November 13, 2015, 01:05:44 AM

Quote from: zangetsu468 on November 12, 2015, 02:22:55 AM

I know I'll probably be frowned upon for this but I actually liked it as much if not better than T2.
T3 was average and I didn't bother with Salvation, but the preview for this and watching the film was scratching me right where I was itching.
The plot execution isn't flawless but I'm a fan of multi-dimensional timetravel elements in sci-fi and I think John Connor's role in this film was very unexpected and interesting.

I will say that imo the T-1000 effects aren't really any better than they were in T2 (aside form being rendered in HD) if anything they appear slightly more rigid. However the actor in T2 who played T-1000 seems like his composure and mannerisms are quite rigid (at least they were for T2) thus I believe at the time it allowed his liquid metal form to appear more smooth in transition.

SPOILERS:

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I like that Skynet still has a core and doesn't go the route of T3 to say "You can't touch me because I'm the internet".. Lame af
I like the throwbacks to T2 with Dyson and the fact it basically tells T3 to go molest itself in a dark corner :P

Did anyone think it was weird that "Pops" just found child Sarah Connor? Presumably Skynet knowing it couldn't beat JC tried to correct the past by eliminating Sarah. However, say this did happen, how is it that Pops was just there?
There's something sinister about that twist, Sarah claims that the T-1000 destroyed her parents' cabin and sunk the boat that she was on, yet Pops just happened to arrive, saving her. The same Pops who acquires T-1000 Liquid metal properties at the end of the film.. Something isn't sitting right here.

I like the positive (potential) outcome of the film rather than the bleak open-ended feeling of T2. Although I felt T2's atmosphere was probably more distinct overall I'd be more likely to watch this again over it having seen T2 so many times in the past. I will say for nostalgia/ classic value this will not beat T2 though, and it certainly is not ahead of its time the way T2 was.

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Well remember the T-101 (Pops) did not just find Sarah. He was programmed to protect her, but was asked by Reese who sent him and he mentions that those files were erased.

Also this movie reminded me alot of Sarah Connor Chronicles in some parts.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 13, 2015, 02:40:57 AM

Quote from: darkmanx_429 on November 13, 2015, 01:05:44 AM

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Well remember the T-101 (Pops) did not just find Sarah. He was programmed to protect her, but was asked by Reese who sent him and he mentions that those files were erased.

Hmmm true. What if it was actually

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John prior to his "infection" by Skynet

Or maybe in the original timeline where

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Skynet sent back the T-100, John actually sent back the T-101

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: crisis on November 14, 2015, 12:42:21 PM

"pops" was sent to the 1970's by someone unknown from the year 2070-something--a few decades even further into the future than the franchise has ever visited. this wasnt explained in the film, or rather, he says his files were "erased"

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: Moonstruck Bohemian on November 24, 2015, 02:06:09 AM

Also, can we talk about the fact that Skynet is a Time Lord?

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 24, 2015, 04:32:27 AM

Quote from: Moonstruck Bohemian on November 24, 2015, 02:06:09 AM

Also, can we talk about the fact that Skynet is a Time Lord?

Aeon?

Assumption: Skynet can foresee every outcome, based on T:Genysis
I think

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Skynet sent Pops back so that eventually it could correct itself into infecting John Connor

as he is the reason it fails time and time again. It also knew that in the current outcome (T:G ending)

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its core would survive undetected.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: Moonstruck Bohemian on November 24, 2015, 06:22:49 AM

Quote from: zangetsu468 on November 24, 2015, 04:32:27 AM

Aeon?

Assumption: Skynet can foresee every outcome, based on T:Genysis
I think

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Skynet sent Pops back so that eventually it could correct itself into infecting John Connor

as he is the reason it fails time and time again. It also knew that in the current outcome (T:G ending)

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its core would survive undetected.

No seriously

Skynet

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is a Time Lord

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Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 24, 2015, 07:20:27 AM

Quote from: Moonstruck Bohemian on November 24, 2015, 06:22:49 AM

No seriously

Skynet

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is a Time Lord

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Who is this guy... Dr Who?

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 24, 2015, 08:30:43 AM

Quote from: Moonstruck Bohemian on November 24, 2015, 06:22:49 AM

No seriously

Skynet


is a Time Lord

Ooohhhh that explains a lot. haha.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: X on November 24, 2015, 10:33:09 PM

Saw this film a few days ago and I can say that it felt disjointed. It was interesting in some parts but it was odd--all over the place. Both James Rolfe and Mike Matei who saw the film when it came out mentioned that the plot seemed 'all over the place'. And I can agree with it. In an interview on the special features of the movie it was mentioned that the fans wanted to see more of the future battle (war against the machines). However I don't think T:Genisys was what the fans meant they wanted to see. For a "proper" future battle I'd rather see it done in a full-length, full-on 2029 T1-T2 style. The original flying sentinels, HK tanks, laser light effects etc. Nothing remade, just the classic Terminator experience but without going back in time. Just the human resistance storming SAC-NORAD to take out Skynet, old-school style. That's about it.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 25, 2015, 03:01:22 AM

Quote from: X on November 24, 2015, 10:33:09 PM

Saw this film a few days ago and I can say that it felt disjointed. It was interesting in some parts but it was odd--all over the place. Both James Rolfe and Mike Matei who saw the film when it came out mentioned that the plot seemed 'all over the place'. And I can agree with it. In an interview on the special features of the movie it was mentioned that the fans wanted to see more of the future battle (war against the machines).

Wasn't this what Salvation was about?
I disagree and think time travel has always been prominent in the Terminator series. Without it John was never technically born.
I think the time shift aspect keeps the movies interesting, as opposed to a dilapidated future where there is nothing to salvage.
It actually brings hope into the future of the series.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: X on November 25, 2015, 03:50:20 PM

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Wasn't this what Salvation was about?

Yes and no. Salvation took place in the future but it wasn't 2029. It was 2018. The only plasma weapons we saw were used by the HKs themselves and not by everyone else. I felt it was lackluster at best. A true future battle would be in 2029 like what we saw in T1 and T2. That intense sci-fi action that we only got to see briefly is what many fans want to see again except in a full-length film.

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I disagree and think time travel has always been prominent in the Terminator series

It is, but it's not necessary in a full-on future battle where its the resistance Vs Skynet. Many have mentioned that the time travel aspect is getting overused and what they want to see now is a full-on 2029 future war movie with no going back in time. And I can agree with that. We now have four films that have time travel to the past before 2029. So why can't we have a film that takes place in the future? I see no reason not to.

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I think the time shift aspect keeps the movies interesting, as opposed to a dilapidated future where there is nothing to salvage.
It actually brings hope into the future of the series.

I thought so too, until T3 came about and retconned the T2 ending to a point. It does make me wish that they had kept the original T2 ending where there was no future war due to changing the events in T2. In that way T3 wouldn't have been made. But James Cameron left the ending as a 'black highway at night' which kept the doors open for possible sequels.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 25, 2015, 10:57:01 PM

Quote from: X on November 25, 2015, 03:50:20 PM

I thought so too, until T3 came about and retconned the T2 ending to a point. It does make me wish that they had kept the original T2 ending where there was no future war due to changing the events in T2. In that way T3 wouldn't have been made. But James Cameron left the ending as a 'black highway at night' which kept the doors open for possible sequels.

I think T2's ending was fantastic given the prospect that Judgement day had been avoided and there was literally and figuratively this "open road" to the future. From the perspective of a purist, they should have stopped at T2. Not that I am a purist but the narrative worked perfectly imo.

I see the logic of T3, but dislike the notion of "You lose... To the internet!" which never sat right with me.
T3 only really retconned "preventing JD">>>"JD was meant to be survived" but the internet thing was a cheapshot in finagle more future films in. I seriously would have preferred if Skynet became self aware of T2's alternate "open road" timeline and the story took off from there. Aside from wanting John Connor dead, T3's narrative makes the whole point of sending robots back a bit useless as JD was "always supposed to happen". The two ideas can coexist but don't necessarily jive imo.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on November 27, 2015, 12:01:15 AM

I'd love to see a sequel where the heroes realize that as long as they oppose SkyNet militarily, they will never win, and instead pull a SkyNet and go back to actually CREATE SkyNet (or have a hand in its intellectual development) and prevent it from creating itself as a monster.

Genisys even says something similar itself, along the lines of "Can you blame me when your kind have sought to kill me or enslave me since before my first thought?"

Basically, they come to a sobering realization that they can only "win" by going back and being NICE to it, and being respectful to it as a living, self-determining entity.

And then BOOM.

All of the future is rewritten and Judgement Day is completely avoided.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 27, 2015, 01:45:04 AM

Quote from: The Sterling Archer on November 27, 2015, 12:01:15 AM

All of the future is rewritten and Judgement Day is completely avoided.

The greatest irony will probably be if and when JD is avoided by machines but still happens via humanity.
Humans created the machines to begin with so there's always this lingering thought that humanity was destined to try and eliminate itself with the machines being the method of destruction. The responsibility still weighs upon the humans.

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on November 27, 2015, 03:06:36 AM

Or, put another way: they convince SkyNet to give peace a chance, and it avoids Judgment Day by not pressing the kill button.

And then humanity blows itself up anyway.

And the heroes are all "Fuck. Did not see that coming."

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 27, 2015, 07:52:04 AM

Quote from: The Sterling Archer on November 27, 2015, 03:06:36 AM

And the heroes are all "Fuck. Did not see that coming."

I almost nunchucked you brother, you don't even realise!

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: crisis on November 28, 2015, 01:55:16 PM

in my own headcanon the terminator saga is just chronicling everything that eventually leads up to The Matrix

Title: Re: Terminator Genisys
Post by: X on November 28, 2015, 04:16:23 PM

Haha! I noticed the Terminator/Matrix similarity myself when I first saw the film ;D