Castlevania Dungeon Forums

The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Thomas Belmont on April 14, 2008, 02:45:34 AM

Title: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Thomas Belmont on April 14, 2008, 02:45:34 AM
Although Soma is said to be Japanese, due to in game sprites, artwork, and the fact that it just seems out of place in the Castlevania universe, does anybody else personally perceive him as being Caucasian?
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Kale on April 14, 2008, 03:28:24 AM
I don't think about it..... he just looks bad ass in that pic where he looks all evil.And thats all that really matters. But now that you brought it up.... he looks Japanese... why? cuz hes anime art.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Azmodan on April 14, 2008, 04:11:32 AM
He looks like any Japanese guy on AoS's box art. >_>
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Profbeanburrito on April 14, 2008, 05:11:40 AM
with a name like Cruz I'd think some sort of Spainish
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Thomas Belmont on April 14, 2008, 05:06:12 PM
In Reply To #2

Yeah, but what about all the other pics where he doesn't look bad ass? And according to the game, he is Japanese.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Mr Sven on April 14, 2008, 05:15:34 PM
I thought Soma was a foreign exchange student. He looks western to me.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Long John Silver on April 14, 2008, 05:24:55 PM
In Reply To #6

It was only translated like that. They thought we couldn't handle playing as some japanese guy with super powers.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Alexc2808 on April 14, 2008, 05:47:24 PM
When did it say he was Japanese?  I remember it saying he was studying abroad or something.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Mr Sven on April 14, 2008, 05:51:28 PM
In Reply To #7

You mean Soma's alter ego is Hiro Nakamura?  :o
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Azmodan on April 14, 2008, 05:52:14 PM
When did it say he was Japanese?

In the Japanese version.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Mobius on April 14, 2008, 07:32:49 PM
Uh huh. Like that isn't what all teenage Japanese boys dream of looking like? Please, the only super power anyone looking like that in Japan at that age would possess is the ability to instantly go erect and come all over themselves when they looked in the mirror.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Steve on April 14, 2008, 10:04:32 PM
with a name like Cruz I'd think some sort of Spainish

"Cruz" is just a thematic transliteration of his Japanese surname, Kurusu (来須).
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: TRON on April 15, 2008, 04:22:42 AM
I registered just for this.
Well, if he's Japanese, it explains why the game intro listed Mina to be his childhood friend. Didn't any of you wonder about that?
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Profbeanburrito on April 15, 2008, 05:13:47 AM
In Reply To #13

Not really, plenty of kids grow up in foreign military bases or there parents just live abroad, for business and other reasons, that could be whats up with Soma's parents
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Successor The Cruel on April 15, 2008, 05:32:04 AM
^ Nah, it's just something the non-Japanese versions didn't explain, even though it didn't quite make sense.  Well, it could make sense, but being childhood friends with a girl from another country that plays a roll in the story deserves an explanation.

In conclusion:
Soma's not white.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: crisis on April 15, 2008, 02:35:01 PM
Design-wise, I don't mind Soma. His sprite in DoS was animated greatly (on par with sotn), although his running motion looks kinda awkward. As for his personality, this may sound clich
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Devil Forgemaster on April 15, 2008, 07:30:54 PM
I'll tell you what I know or what the other people make me think, whatever, Soma Cruz is'nt japanese, he is a european student who is in japan for a school exchange or whatever you call it, so it's the version i know, maybe i'm wrong,
but for me this is the reason for what soma is in japan.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: thernz on April 15, 2008, 09:52:09 PM
I wish he was Indian. :<
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Profbeanburrito on April 15, 2008, 11:35:35 PM
I really don't like all the Japanese stuff in Castlevania. First, the entrance to Drac's castle in the eclipse should not be through a shrine in Japan. Second, I don't think his reincarnation should be Japanese kid, he should be European (Romanian to be more accurate). But the thing that really pisses me off for some reason is Yoko Belnades....descendant of 1400's Romanian Vampire Hunter, Sypha Belnades....where and when did Japan get crossed into this?


I know a lot of you will have your come backs... I know...but seriously, it just bothers the hell out of me...



Oh, PS. Thernz, nice Gundam Icon, it's nice to see another Gundam fan, too bad it's from one of the worst series though =P
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Steve on April 16, 2008, 01:02:06 AM
First, the entrance to Drac's castle in the eclipse should not be through a shrine in Japan.

The total solar eclipse in 2035 will be invisible from Europe, whereas it will be highly visible from eastern Asia, particularly Japan.

http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_2035_GoogleMapFull.html


Compare this to the total solar eclipse in 1999, which was most visible from Romania.

http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_1999_GoogleMapFull.html


The story is just showing consistency with its source material.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Thomas Belmont on April 16, 2008, 09:20:06 AM
I really don't like all the Japanese stuff in Castlevania. First, the entrance to Drac's castle in the eclipse should not be through a shrine in Japan. Second, I don't think his reincarnation should be Japanese kid, he should be European (Romanian to be more accurate). But the thing that really pisses me off for some reason is Yoko Belnades....descendant of 1400's Romanian Vampire Hunter, Sypha Belnades....where and when did Japan get crossed into this?


I know a lot of you will have your come backs... I know...but seriously, it just bothers the hell out of me...



Oh, PS. Thernz, nice Gundam Icon, it's nice to see another Gundam fan, too bad it's from one of the worst series though =P




I totally agree that anything Japanese does not belong in the Castlevania series. It's silly and out of place.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: The Silverlord on April 16, 2008, 09:40:39 AM
I'm also one who would rather see significantly less Japanese elements in Castlevania, although with Aria of Sorrow the scenario could be excused because the game was deliberately set there.

It must be pretty challenging for any development team flogging what could be seen as a dead horse, i.e. Metroidvania, to devise new locales and scenarios and put a different spin on things.  I might campaign for a more rugged European approach to Castlevania, but if every game was set in Europe it may begin to stagnate (as diverse and varied as those Middle/Easten European countries are).  Ironically, the hallmark/origin of the series presents something of an unwelcome curse for IGA: Castlevania never had an intricate storyline, its setting was sacrosanct, and IGA's had to change and improvise on that to meet modern gaming expectations.

Could he have gone about it in a better way?  Probably.

At the moment though, on a 3D scale, I
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: CVfan13 on April 17, 2008, 08:17:35 PM
He looks like any Japanese guy on AoS's box art. >_>

No, he looks like a Japanese girl. Anyway, I don't care about his nationality, I just say he's a stupid, immature little baby who doesn't want to accept the best thing that ever happenned to him: gaining dark powere! Does he not know how lucky he is? How envious I am??
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Long John Silver on April 17, 2008, 08:22:43 PM
Quote
I just say he's a stupid, immature little baby who doesn't want to accept the best thing that ever happenned to him: gaining dark powers!
You just described about 90% of anime heroes who gain super powers. :P

Quote
I support Serio's cause.
Then put the sprite in your sig. you can direct link it from my server if you don't feel like uploading it, it's not like it eats that much out of my 7.5 tb of bandwidth/month. :o
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Azmodan on April 17, 2008, 10:43:37 PM
No, he looks like a Japanese girl.

Again, 90% of all anime characters, and then some.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee35/beingthehero/mm1.jpg?t=1208479346

All males. D:

Effeminate characters tend to be a motiff for anything gothic/vampiric/romantic in Japan, so Soma's appearance shouldn't shock at all, unlike the Clone-nan's from Castlevania's early days.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: thernz on April 17, 2008, 11:03:59 PM
In Reply To #19

I like silly over the top stuff. >.>
I like Dynasty Warriors.
I like G Gundam.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Darth Cariss on April 18, 2008, 10:01:14 AM
To the original topic, I view Soma as not being from Japan, because that is what the story said to me when I played the game. The series is "Castlevania" to me. The heroes' last name is "Belmont", and Soma is not from Japan. Those are the game versions I go by.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: SniperWolf on April 18, 2008, 12:05:26 PM
I think soma is japanese, and for the miss leading last name. cruz is cross in spanish, but it's also the same thing in japanese(spelled KURUZU) So yeah, I don't think there's is any confusion for me here.
Ill just thing of him as a bad ass soul hunter!
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Long John Silver on April 18, 2008, 01:36:17 PM
In Reply To #27

Enjoy your poltergeist king, graveyard duck and belmont warrior chromosomes then. :o
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Azmodan on April 18, 2008, 06:07:27 PM
In Reply To #29

And incest, what with the whole 'Maria is related to the Belmonts' thing. D:
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Kale on April 18, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
I doubt they are closely related enough to call it incest if they really are related which I'll never accept anyway!
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Azmodan on April 18, 2008, 07:15:03 PM
I'm still surprised that nobody has pointed out that DoS removed all references to Soma's supposed 'exchange student' status.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Kale on April 18, 2008, 07:28:24 PM
*has never played dawn*
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: CVfan13 on April 18, 2008, 08:07:52 PM
You just described about 90% of anime heroes who gain super powers. :P

Then put the sprite in your sig. you can direct link it from my server if you don't feel like uploading it, it's not like it eats that much out of my 7.5 tb of bandwidth/month. :o

Yeah, you have a point there.

Oh yeah, I tried that. Obviously, it didn't go so well. I'm gonna retry.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Long John Silver on April 18, 2008, 08:27:42 PM
In Reply To #30

That's a part of the japanese story too, not usa exclusive like all the stuff I mentioned. :P

Also how is it incest? Maria never went after Richter who was a distant part of her family. She wanted only Alucard, who was a total stranger to her.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Azmodan on April 18, 2008, 08:43:56 PM
I was thinking about the SNES Dracula X. >_>
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Long John Silver on April 18, 2008, 10:36:50 PM
In Reply To #36

Alternate reality storylines don't count. :P

In DXX the renards weren't related to Belmonts.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Azmodan on April 19, 2008, 12:46:35 AM
Wasn't Maria adopted by Annette in DXC?
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Profbeanburrito on April 19, 2008, 12:56:42 AM
I thought they just hung out. Maybe Annette takes care of Maria, and cause of that they're like sisters
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Mobius on April 19, 2008, 02:38:24 AM
*nods*

I suppose it was a only a matter of time before a simple question about a pasty-faced angst-ridden boy with supernatural powers somehow reverted to an allusion of Maria and Annette engaging in nut-busting incestial relations, maybe even with Richter and Alucard thrown in to offer some man meat for the imagination.  :P I dunno about the rest of you, butyeeesh.

Incidentally, teen Japanese boys would love how this topic turned out.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: CVfan13 on April 19, 2008, 03:39:53 PM

Incidentally, teen Japanese boys would love how this topic turned out.

Indeed. It also has nothing to do with the original topic.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: jestercolony on April 20, 2008, 02:24:11 AM
In Reply To #40

I think that's any teenage anime loving boy >.<

Anyways... I believe Soma is from Europe and well...spanish. Cruz = Cross. Now what if his mother was japanese and his father was spannish? Hence why Soma is a "child-hood" friend of Mina. Just maybe... Mr. Soma spent a lot of time in Japan with his parents on trips or had to move to go and fourth because maybe his parents are devorced?
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Steve on April 20, 2008, 05:15:31 AM
In Reply To #42

Soma is Japanese.
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: CVfan13 on April 20, 2008, 11:39:39 AM
In Reply To #43

Didn't the game say he was an EXCHANGE student living in Japan? Meaning he EXCHANGED to Japan??
Title: Re: How do you perceive Soma?
Post by: Long John Silver on April 20, 2008, 01:01:59 PM
In Reply To #44

the usa version did, and we all know they aren't that good at translating/looking up for referrences/correct name spelling. I mean, they gave us bullshit like poltergeist king, graveyard duck, danasty, renard, lecarde, curly and other stupid mistranslations.

as for the transfer student deal, they changed the fact that soma was a japanese guy probably because they were afraid non japanese cv's fans wouldn't want to play as some japanese angsty teenager. the majority of cv fandom wasn't really the animu kiddies crowd until they made dos and pork.