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Title: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 06, 2016, 07:40:36 PM
Do you think we'll ever learn more about her complex backstory?
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 06, 2016, 08:05:05 PM
No probably not. Doesn't the subtext/ manual's text read something like that every 100 years the evil in the hearts of men flared/ grew, then he [Dracula] was resurrected?

I was thinking about this scene years ago. Potentially centennial resurrections still require a sacrifice, since ROB was a CR. Where as Non-CR's although varied most definitely require a host body or come about in other ways (HoD, CoD, Simon's Quest, SoTN, etc.)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 06, 2016, 08:09:49 PM
She was a perfect opportunity to expand the plot (in any way). Now she's just another nameless sacrifice victim.

Also, there is no pre-requisite for the sacrifice to bring Dracula back, apparently. No requirement is ever mentioned, and we've seen both a woman and at least two men, in wildly different ages, being sacrificed for this objective. So yeah. Dracula is pretty eclectic with who is sacrificed for him :P

Also, in DXC intro, have you guys noticed how the body of the woman is suddenly gone from the coffin's lid just before it explodes open? We can see it there but if you pause at the correct moment, you can see the body suddenly disappear xD

EDIT: Well, now watching again, it doesn't "disappear". It looks like the body, the lid, the swords and the blanket are all SUCKED inside the coffin just before the lights explode out of it o_O

Watch the video in 0.25 speed to see it:



Suddenly this intro has become much scarier than I thought  :o
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Dracula9 on January 06, 2016, 08:52:23 PM
It has Spanish Dracula. Of course it's scary.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 06, 2016, 09:19:54 PM
It has Spanish Dracula. Of course it's scary.

(http://www.ezimba.com/work/160107C/ezimba16389281572304.png)

But he's nothing near Mexican Dracula.

Oh man I hope I'm not offending someone with this.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 06, 2016, 09:58:01 PM
Actually plottwist has a good point. There is no pre-requisite for a sacrifice, but the source of Dracula's power is Chaos, and chaos flares/augments in the hearts of men every 100 years.

Sacrificing a virgin (or 'child' who would also equate to a virgin) to appease 'the gods' has its origins rooted in paganism. This was then transferred to other practices as centuries passed. (Similarly, with animals, paganism where the whole "sacrificing animals"/ "Lamb of God" share their impetus with that of the virgins).

What I'm saying is in theory if the sacrifice isn't needed, those men performing it are acting (under the effects of chaos' augmentation? - if interpreted in this way) which means they're offering Dracula a sacrifice, just like the pagans did with their gods/ deities.

The reason I placed the "?" there is because some will say Chaos =/= Evil, because it's the opposite of "order" (not the opposite of "good"). Maybe this is so, if we go down this route there just seems me to be more of an innate predisposition to men committing evil deeds in the first place. Unless there is an external physical or metaphysical/ spiritual influence such as HoD's Maxim being influenced by Dracula's remains and SOTN's Richter being influenced by Shaft's spirit, respectively.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: X on January 06, 2016, 10:06:17 PM
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Also, in DXC intro, have you guys noticed how the body of the woman is suddenly gone from the coffin's lid just before it explodes open?

Yeah. Actually that was also the case with Rondos' opening scene. There was a body, then there was none. I hate it when little details like that are overlooked.

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Also, there is no pre-requisite for the sacrifice to bring Dracula back, apparently. No requirement is ever mentioned, and we've seen both a woman and at least two men, in wildly different ages, being sacrificed for this objective. So yeah. Dracula is pretty eclectic with who is sacrificed for him :P

Pretty much. In fact there are many ways to call fourth Dracula back to the living. A dark ritual, a sacrifice of some sort, etc. In Rondo (DXC) it was a woman. In Chronicles a dark priest poured blood over the coffin. And in CV64/LoD it was a simple matter of sacrificing the lives of a hundred children, as Actress blatantly stated.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 06, 2016, 10:17:00 PM
In Chronicles a dark priest poured blood over the coffin.
I'm still betting that was Virgin Blood, known for it's purity and spiritual power. Common occult knowledge would say so.

And in CV64/LoD it was a simple matter of sacrificing the lives of a hundred children, as Actress blatantly stated.

True and again Virgin Blood, but the 64 games are removed from the official canon. In the alternate timeline where they exist the sacrifice only either revives The Guardian to Dracula's sleeping spirit, or it revives all of Dracula with only that Guardian manifesting.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Dracula9 on January 06, 2016, 10:49:16 PM
(http://www.ezimba.com/work/160107C/ezimba16389281572304.png)

But he's nothing near Mexican Dracula.

Oh man I hope I'm not offending someone with this.

You still got where I was going with it. I can't stand the DXC design, dude genuinely looks Latin American or Spanish.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 06, 2016, 11:15:45 PM
I'm still betting that was Virgin Blood, known for it's purity and spiritual power. Common occult knowledge would say so.

True and again Virgin Blood, but the 64 games are removed from the official canon. In the alternate timeline where they exist the sacrifice only either revives The Guardian to Dracula's sleeping spirit, or it revives all of Dracula with only that Guardian manifesting.

I was going to mention virgin blood BUT we have cases like Shaft or Barlowe being sacrifices. I doubt these two were either pure or virgin or both at the same time.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Dracula9 on January 06, 2016, 11:29:38 PM
Maybe virgin blood makes him look prettier when he wakes up

'Cause I mean compared to the long-white-hair-kinda-grizzled-and-grumpy-looking-but-still-halfway-dashing incarnations, DXC and Rondo Dracs are both all young and slick and pretty and whatnot

Yeah that's it

The purer the blood the prettier Drac is
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 07, 2016, 12:25:51 AM
Maybe virgin blood makes him look prettier when he wakes up

'Cause I mean compared to the long-white-hair-kinda-grizzled-and-grumpy-looking-but-still-halfway-dashing incarnations, DXC and Rondo Dracs are both all young and slick and pretty and whatnot

Yeah that's it

The purer the blood the prettier Drac is

This actually makes more sense than the 100 years hypothesis (the earlier Dracula is revived, the more decrepit he appears to be).
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 07, 2016, 02:35:47 AM
I was going to mention virgin blood BUT we have cases like Shaft or Barlowe being sacrifices. I doubt these two were either pure or virgin or both at the same time.

Well Shaft was a priest, I'm not saying he didn't do anything perverse but certain priests are known for keeping themselves "chaste" specifically for their Lord (Catholic priests for example) as is it sacrificing their general pleasures of the flesh. Doesn't mean they're not fucked up though.

As for Barlowe, it's implied and mentioned (with Shanoa at least) that he raised Shanoa and Albus as his own. I'm of the opinion all of Barlowe's - and subsequently Ecclesia's - research was all for the purposes of resurrecting Dracula, albeit prior to the centenary which would have been the Bram Stoker novel in the far latter half (c.1894).

Some have disagreed with me on this in the past but I stick by the fact that Barlowe knew exactly what he was doing (as does Castlevania Wiki), and Ecclesia was a front to actually resurrect Dracula. The same idea was later used in LOS.

Back to my original point, Barlowe may have had female suitors, he may have, he may not. Isaac Newton was a well learned man who died a virgin, the notion isn't impossible.

Isaac from CoD on the other hand looks trisexual, pretty sure he'd stick his sick in just about anything. ;p The difference is I don't believe either Shaft or Barlowe were "host bodies" the way Isaac was. We see Isaac's body manifest after Dracula's defeat, which we don't see with Barlowe or shaft. Shaft's body died in RoB/DXC and entered Richter's body at it's most vulnerable after his (and Maria's) fight with Dracula - refer to Iga's timeline. Dracula in SOTN's resurrection was made complete by his remains (relics) being gathered by Alucard imo. (The final room can't be entered without them.

Barlowe sacrificed himself to break the seal on the vessel holding Dracula's soul because Shanoa didn't want to use Dominus to do it. He was not a host body as Dracula's throne room was still beyond "The gates of Hell" meaning he didn't materialise with any sort of host body.

Anyway, Virgin blood or not doesn't mean something will or won't work, it's just preferable I guess.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 07, 2016, 03:48:41 AM
Some have disagreed with me on this in the past but I stick by the fact that Barlowe knew exactly what he was doing (as does Castlevania Wiki), and Ecclesia was a front to actually resurrect Dracula. The same idea was later used in LOS.

Well, I have proven the Castlevania Wiki wrong in the past (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,7585.msg169639.html#msg169639). I'll not discuss this point, but there is a whole lot of unfiltered opinion on the articles and I'd say you'd fare better not taking everything is written there as evidence (unless a source is provided, of course).

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Shaft's body died in RoB/DXC and entered Richter's body at it's most vulnerable after his (and Maria's) fight with Dracula - refer to Iga's timeline. Dracula in SOTN's resurrection was made complete by his remains (relics) being gathered by Alucard imo. (The final room can't be entered without them.)

I disagree with three things here.

1. Dracula X Chronicles shows precisely the moment where Shaft got control over Richter's body. And it's WAY before Richter got to fight Dracula. It's before even he got to battle Shaft himself. Jump to 5:40 and watch from there:

EDIT: This shadow is not Shaft - it is Death. The shadow keeps appearing until you defeat Death. Redoing the stage after Death is defeated causes the shadow to not appear anymore.

https://youtu.be/mp6gNFnPXuA (https://youtu.be/mp6gNFnPXuA)


2. Given the above point, I believe Richter never got to face the real Shaft at all. The point above can be evidence for the fact that Richter was battling nothing more than a simple illusion, being already under the effects of Shaft's influence even before he got to the room where Shaft was. EDIT: The above point has been debunked.

At the end of SotN, Shaft's body can be seen inside the giant orb at the end, while an illusion of him talks to Alucard outside the orb. That scene is pretty damn good evidence he's able to create at least one astral-projection clone of himself that looks pretty much like him. This could mean that Richter might not have fought the real Shaft at all, but only an illusion of him.

3. I disagree in part with how Dracula got revived in SotN. While I think the remains had something to do with this, I also think Shaft sacrificed himself to revive Dracula. I say this because his plan was to sacrifice Alucard's human side:

(http://i.imgur.com/MokyUOS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/va1JYS3.png)

This comes from the SotN retranslation from the japanese script. And if it's not enough:

(http://i.imgur.com/J6ovmc5.png)

This comes from the PSP SotN port. Here Shaft says that Alucard's soul is as frail as Richter's, and he even implies Richter was the one to be sacrificed for Dracula's return.

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He was not a host body as Dracula's throne room was still beyond "The gates of Hell" meaning he didn't materialise with any sort of host body.

I sort of agree more or less with this. I don't believe Barlowe worked as Dracula's vessel, too. But do you mean that you think Shanoa battled Dracula in spirit form? Because, if so, I don't think this is the case since what was inside the vessel was his remains:

(click to show/hide)

Granted, there are also mentions of Dracula's soul being trapped in there:

(click to show/hide)

As per the DXC intro, you need both a sacrifice AND Dracula's body/remains to bring him back. So, while his soul is mentioned to be sealed there, his bodily remains also are. This could mean he has indeed revived with a body of himself. But if your point was simply about Barlowe working as a vessel, then disregard this point.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 07, 2016, 04:37:54 AM
@plottwist I'lll keep it short because I haven't played DXC and I'm uncertain if Iga's timeline was released before it, but I believe it was due to be bundled with POR. This is the timeline giving the explanation I made about Shaft entering Richter. If DXC does in fact trump ROB then please disregard.

I'm not saying CV wiki has to be 100% accurate, I'm only saying it agrees with me to give myself more credibility as per OOE's script, which previously I had a few people query. Personally I still believe Barlowe was fully aware of his intentions, and I don't believe he was just influenced by Dracula/ the remains per se (as Maxim was). If this was the case, Dracula would have manifested into a wraith or something else, but in OOE he has actually taken his throne.

About the fact OOE Dracula is fought in hell, I'm not saying he doesn't have a physical body, I'm saying the realm he's fought in is still not technically the "physical realm" being our world, it's beyond the gates to hell. However, there is nothing to indicate that what lies in the Castle beyond the realm of Hell's Gates (The Cerberus gates) isn't real, or hasn't manifested into something physical/ material/ organic or otherwise. I'm saying I simply don't believe that Barlowe's sacrifice was necessarily to become a host body/ or if it did that the intention was to become the host body, it was intended to break the seal on the vessel of Dracula's soul first and foremost. Otherwise if Dracula took Barlowe as the host after he self destructed, his body would have materialised infront of Shanoa? Maybe not? I could be wrong in these assertions.

What I am not wrong about is where Dracula manifests in OOE, beyond the gates of hell, at his throne. Compare this to CoD where Isaac's body is used as the host and Dracula manifests there and then, relinquishing Isaac's body once done with it. Something similar happens to Maxim once Dracula Wraith has been defeated. This does not happen in OOE with Barlowe's
body after Dracula's defeat. Again, Barlowe sacrificed himself to relinquish the seal to the vessel of Dracula's soul, not as his host body as it were. If Shanoa had used Doninus on the vessel, Barlowe's plans would have been complete as he wanted to execute and bare witness to his ultimate goal; Dracula's resurrection. I will also say that after Barlowe's self destruction, there was no physical body left to act as a host, he literally used all of his remaining power and blew himself up to try and crack the seal. Hence I tend to believe Dracula's body is real but I don't believe it's from Barlowe's body as his host.

As for DXC (which is a CR) other posters have mentioned and argued well that the sacrifice/ host body is not required and the girl/ woman disappears prior to the ritual being over. This follows the original ROB's bit intention via its prologue/ manual's text of "100 years and he [Dracula] was resurrected".

Edit: "I'll keep it short"... My ass you will Zangetsu ...  :P
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 07, 2016, 01:47:46 PM
You guys over analyze the stupidest things.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 07, 2016, 03:01:14 PM
@Waffle Was that a Bill Cosby show?

*Insert Meme of Bill Cosby reading "I'm just here to see if I raped anyone..."*
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 07, 2016, 03:21:01 PM
You guys over analyze the stupidest things.

Over-analyzing is practically the lifeblood of this forum, Waffle-san.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 07, 2016, 03:53:03 PM
@Waffle Was that a Bill Cosby show?

*Insert Meme of Bill Cosby reading "I'm just here to see if I taped anyone..."*

Flibbidy flam pokeymans.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 07, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Flibbidy flam pokeymans.

Edit: it was supposed to be "raped"
but he may have taped them like R. Kelly..

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Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 07, 2016, 04:43:03 PM
Over-analyzing is practically the lifeblood of this forum, Waffle-san.

Yeah I know. I remember the time where I made a thread asking if the same COULD be said of all religions, and you guys thought I was serious.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 07, 2016, 05:03:19 PM
Yeah I know. I remember the time where I made a thread asking if the same COULD be said of all religions, and you guys thought I was serious.

Hahaha maybe it's the Cosby meme's but fuck me that IS funny   ;D
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 07, 2016, 05:20:40 PM
Yeah I know. I remember the time where I made a thread asking if the same COULD be said of all religions, and you guys thought I was serious.

It's even more so now, because it's a slow news cycle for Castlevania -- we've not got much new to discuss, so we're now like "heeeey that one thing in the corner of that one game was kind of interesting". I remember on the Chapel forums when Marto started musings on a stone gargoyle-chandelier thing in Stone King Golem's boss chamber in LoI during a similar slow news cycle.

This thread honestly reminds me a LOT of that.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 07, 2016, 06:16:26 PM
This Dungeon imo is the only thing currently keeping Castlevania [buried] alive.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 07, 2016, 06:18:36 PM
This Dungeon imo is the only thing currently keeping Castlevania [buried] alive.

Last stalwart bastion of defense for a venerable saga, RIGHT HERE.

Us.

Let's keep at it!
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: The Puritan on January 07, 2016, 07:48:17 PM
1. Dracula X Chronicles shows precisely the moment where Shaft got control over Richter's body. And it's WAY before Richter got to fight Dracula. It's before even he got to battle Shaft himself. Jump to 5:40 and watch from there:

https://youtu.be/mp6gNFnPXuA (https://youtu.be/mp6gNFnPXuA)


Good find.  :o I never noticed Shaft in Carmilla's boss orb, of all places (then again, I only played DXC once and never touched it again after 100%ing). You'd think he'd save his possession plan for his own two boss fights.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: TheTextGuy on January 07, 2016, 10:09:15 PM

1. Dracula X Chronicles shows precisely the moment where Shaft got control over Richter's body. And it's WAY before Richter got to fight Dracula. It's before even he got to battle Shaft himself. Jump to 5:40 and watch from there:

https://youtu.be/mp6gNFnPXuA (https://youtu.be/mp6gNFnPXuA)

I thought that was Death who changed the orb to red, presumably to force you to challenge him.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 08, 2016, 04:54:11 AM
I thought that was Death who changed the orb to red, presumably to force you to challenge him.

I thought that was Death who changed the orb to red, presumably to force you to challenge him.

It indeed could be Death. I'm playing the game again to see at which point am I allowed to unlock Stage 5'. If it is only after defeating Death, then I'll retract my statement.

EDIT: Yep, it is most likely Death, not Shaft. The black shadow keeps appearing until you defeat Death. Once Death is gone and you redo Stage 4', the shadow is gone.

And also, I think I found evidence actually supporting Zangetsu and Shaft really NOT having a body by the end of SotN:

(http://i.imgur.com/WM9HDNK.png)

This comes from the same retranslation I used on the previous post. So, Alucard is saying Shaft cast aside his own body. However his statement contradicts this:

(http://i.imgur.com/FheZ1mg.png)

THAT inside the orb is clearly Shaft's body. We can see that the Shaft outside the orb is transluscent while the one inside it is solid (and even becomes detailed when the transluscent one fuses with it). This infers that Shaft is actually projecting an image to talk to Alucard.

Welp, now I'm confused as fuck. His statement also implies that Shaft himself cast his body aside out of his own free will, and not by being defeated (which is what happens in Rondo).
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 08, 2016, 06:03:46 AM
It indeed could be Death. I'm playing the game again to see at which point am I allowed to unlock Stage 5'. If it is only after defeating Death, then I'll retract my statement.

EDIT: Yep, it is most likely Death, not Shaft. The black shadow keeps appearing until you defeat Death. Once Death is gone and you redo Stage 4', the shadow is gone.

So Iga's timeline stands regardless then eh.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 08, 2016, 06:11:27 AM
So Iga's timeline stands regardless then eh.

Not so fast. There is still evidence for Shaft not having been killed in Rondo. That being Death and not Shaft is actually one of TWO points I made. And I actually covered the second point (check the edit on my previous comment) which got me quite confused.

You mention this "IGA timeline". Is this the timeline you mean?

http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv-por/packaging/timeline-side2.jpg (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv-por/packaging/timeline-side2.jpg)

Because, if it is, it is not correct in some regards, and is not the most recent. By the time IGA released Potrait, it was already known (and even mentioned by the man himself) that Circle and CV64 were not canon. And this is not the only info wrong in this timeline. I don't think this timeline was issued with IGA's final revision/approval of it - this could be the job of the localization team alone, and we know what happens when they get their grubby hands on these timelines.

Now, I'm not saying the ENTIRE timeline is worthless due to this specific bit of info. Much on the contrary, I think there certainly are very interesting bits of information there that do correspond with what we know of the franchise (even some of the most obscure bits of info such as the existence of a sixth Dracula Remain in Simon's Quest). What I'm saying is that it certainly looks a bit sketchy considering the presence of non-canon info and incorrect minor info in there, and that there is a more recent timeline.

In this most recent timeline (2007), it says that "Shaft had NOT perished" on the entry for SotN. Sure, by "not perishing" they could mean in a more general sense (he was killed, but not defeated), but there is no mention of Shaft "being a spirit" or "returning as a spirit" or any mention of his orbs, and it's weird to say he "hasn't perished" when he looks quite perished there on the floor after taking a beating from Richter - meaning that, perhaps, indeed he hasn't been killed:

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/dracula/product/data.html (http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/dracula/product/data.html)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: X on January 08, 2016, 09:55:49 AM
Shaft had those orbs of his everywhere. Richter even fought one that contained Shaft's ghost. Once the ghost is defeated it disappears and the orb shatters. The exact same type of orb is in SotN--governing Richter's actions when you fight him wearing the holy glasses. And that very orb contains Shaft's spirit himself. It's a safe assumption that richter did not destroy all of Shaft's orbs. This would explain why Richter eventually fell under control of one of them--perhaps the last remaining one.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 08, 2016, 10:13:02 AM
@plottwist I'll have a look at the other timeline in the light of day, it's late here.

As for the aforementioned one, it contains dates/ titles of the non-canon entries only. It gives no information on them precisely because they're non-canon and therefore their events have no influence on the IGA timeline.

They are most likely there because as with CV judgement, IGA still notes their presence as existing - as parallel events to the actual timeline = his timeline (see this timeline as I've laid it out in my signature).

Further evidence to this is the information given under dates 1897 and 1999; both canon occurrences of the Castlevania universe which are crucial to the storyline and chronology. Although there is no Belmont/ Morris portrait, information pertaining to the sequence of events is gone into in detail.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 08, 2016, 02:49:33 PM
http://abicion.tumblr.com/post/136905756117/ (http://abicion.tumblr.com/post/136905756117/)

This is deep.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 09, 2016, 12:14:20 AM
http://abicion.tumblr.com/post/136905756117/ (http://abicion.tumblr.com/post/136905756117/)

This is deep.

Good idea on the choker. Start writing.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Soleiyu Belmont on January 09, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
(http://www.ezimba.com/work/160107C/ezimba16389281572304.png)

But he's nothing near Mexican Dracula.

Oh man I hope I'm not offending someone with this.

i always say the same about mexican dracula btw montocido? whats that suppose to mean?? it should be " un montoncito de miserables secretos"
im mexican
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 09, 2016, 11:46:43 AM
Maybe I should get a dev team together and we could make a full fan game where you play as Unnamed Tragic Sacrifice Girl, and for the final boss you fight an early version of Shaft, and after you beat him it's just like "lol nope gotta follow continuity *stab*"
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 10, 2016, 12:24:35 AM
Maybe I should get a dev team together and we could make a full fan game where you play as Unnamed Tragic Sacrifice Girl, and for the final boss you fight an early version of Shaft, and after you beat him it's just like "lol nope gotta follow continuity *stab*"

That was done in the ending of Kingdom Hearts 356/2 days. So, yeah, if you got a team, make the game. Haha.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 10, 2016, 06:55:46 AM
Who did they sacrifice in that game? Goofy?
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 10, 2016, 07:46:30 AM
Who did they sacrifice in that game? Goofy?

I remember seeing a Goofy cartoon when I was a kid which involved a 1950's Brooklyn setting. The mob encased his feet in concrete and threw him over the Brooklyn Bridge.. And people say Disney is for kids..
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Gunlord on January 10, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
You came through, Super Waffle, you came through. I always believed in you, I knew you'd give us another great fanfic. 8)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 10, 2016, 02:12:24 PM
ok.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11725864/1/Pointy-Prologue (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11725864/1/Pointy-Prologue)

I’m not sure how I feel about this one.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: beingthehero on January 10, 2016, 04:05:49 PM
(http://www.ezimba.com/work/160107C/ezimba16389281572304.png)

But he's nothing near Mexican Dracula.

Oh man I hope I'm not offending someone with this.

I'm offended by how much you made me laugh at this.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 10, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
Mexican Dracula = "Drugdula"  ;D

Spawn of Satan (and Consuela) moving coffins filled with heroine from Wallachia to Mexico, his only achilles heel is Lemon Pledge - which everyone is out of....
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 10, 2016, 04:43:56 PM
Spawn of Satan (and Consuela) moving coffins filled with heroine from Wallachia to Mexico, his only achilles heel is Lemon Pledge - which everyone is out of....

I read this in the melody of the Carmen Sandiego theme for some reason.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 10, 2016, 04:44:59 PM
I read this in the melody of the Carmen Sandiego theme for some reason.

Were you a 90's kid too Waffle?
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 10, 2016, 07:02:53 PM
'85 actually.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 10, 2016, 07:46:19 PM
'85 actually.

True, I meant did you grow up in the 90's, now I know. We're pretty much the same age.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 10, 2016, 08:55:37 PM
Who did they sacrifice in that game? Goofy?

Roxas. His sacrifice was in KH2.

ok.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11725864/1/Pointy-Prologue (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11725864/1/Pointy-Prologue)

I’m not sure how I feel about this one.

Not bad.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 10, 2016, 09:16:34 PM
'85 actually.

True, I meant did you grow up in the 90's, now I know. We're pretty much the same age.

Jesus, I'm surrounded by old geezers  ;D

I think the forum's youngest member might be Bloo.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 10, 2016, 09:20:28 PM
Jesus, I'm surrounded by old geezers  ;D

No one is ever too old to enjoy Castlevania. Plus we were already holding down the block for you newcomers :)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 25, 2016, 01:52:22 PM
What is it with Dracula and girls' blood anyway?
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: X on January 25, 2016, 05:46:49 PM
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What is it with Dracula and girls' blood anyway?

That same reason that female vampires feast on the blood of men. It's a sexual preference. Unless we're talking about Carmilla then she's prefer the blood of women.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 25, 2016, 05:57:58 PM
Camilla deserved her own little trilogy of games to be a major antagonist.

With female vampire hunters for extra fan disservice.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 25, 2016, 06:31:38 PM
What is it with Dracula and girls' blood anyway?

It's that time of the month... You know, when the full moon comes out ;)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 25, 2016, 07:17:56 PM
It's that time of the month... You know, when the full moon comes out ;)

All joking aside, that's pretty much the reason. Menstrual blood is a powerful ingredient in magical spells, and, as I've mentioned in one of my threads, the New and Full Moons are both powerful magical thresholds. These thresholds do tend to sync with a woman's menstrual cycle, and virginity in many schools of faith implies purity.

The corruption of a pure thing is like splitting the atom. It denotes a MASSIVE release of energy and a change in states of being.

What better thing to revive the incarnation of Ultimate Corruption?

However, this also implies that Shaft (or his minions) probably did a particular truly awful and despicable act to the chick being sacrificed that would never be able to be shown on screen in a T-rated game.

After all, to corrupt a pure thing, you have to do something to corrupt it, and there's really only one way to do that to a sexual virgin.

Unfortunate implications and fridge horror to follow.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 25, 2016, 07:38:42 PM
Maybe that's why they called him "Shaft"... triple entendre if you really think about it..... SHAFT!!!
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 25, 2016, 07:39:09 PM
Maybe that's why they called him "Shaft"... triple entendre if you really think about it..... SHAFT!!!

Damn you.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: X on January 25, 2016, 10:35:28 PM
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Maybe that's why they called him "Shaft"... triple entendre if you really think about it..... SHAFT!!!

Well he certainly did live "up" to that title. Then he got "Shafted" three times. Twice by Richter, then once more by Alucard.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 25, 2016, 11:34:02 PM
Well he certainly did live "up" to that title. Then he got "Shafted" three times. Twice by Richter, then once more by Alucard.

SHAFTED!!!... (Damnnn right)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: coinilius on January 26, 2016, 01:04:46 AM
Well he certainly did live "up" to that title. Then he got "Shafted" three times. Twice by Richter, then once more by Alucard.

Now there's an image... oh wait, you mean he was defeated by them...
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 26, 2016, 01:32:12 AM
Now there's an image... oh wait, you mean he was defeated by them...

yeah yeah. I see the image.  ;)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Donvermicelli on January 26, 2016, 02:47:23 AM
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/366/396/f8a.gif)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 26, 2016, 02:02:23 PM
K.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: coinilius on January 27, 2016, 01:33:42 AM
On a somewhat related topic (related to the naked chick getting sacrificed at the beginning of RoB, not to Shaft getting the shaft)... where do these coffins with Dracula's remains inside them actually come from?  I mean, at the end of each game Dracula explodes or dissolves or disappears and then the castle falls down around him.  Do his minions dig through the rubble to collect his remains?  Are his remains meant to be in the coffin or is it just a symbolic thing?
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 27, 2016, 01:55:09 AM
On a somewhat related topic (related to the naked chick getting sacrificed at the beginning of RoB, not to Shaft getting the shaft)... where do these coffins with Dracula's remains inside them actually come from?  I mean, at the end of each game Dracula explodes or dissolves or disappears and then the castle falls down around him.  Do his minions dig through the rubble to collect his remains?  Are his remains meant to be in the coffin or is it just a symbolic thing?

In the japanese manual for Simon's Quest it is said that Dracula's remains get regenerated as the years go by, until they are ready for his revival. This might have to do with the amount of misery people undergo, thus restoring the remains.

Now, I presume these remains are then tracked down and gathered by the cultists to be placed inside a coffin/tomb, where then the cultists will perform a ritual to infuse Dracula's newly regenerated body with his soul.

The burning ritual performed by Simon was meant to destroy Dracula once and for all, but poor Simon didn't expect there to be a hidden sixth remain.

Important of note is that Dracula can be regenerated with as little as ONE remain, albeit very weak.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: coinilius on January 27, 2016, 02:08:49 AM
In the japanese manual for Simon's Quest it is said that Dracula's remains get regenerated as the years go by, until they are ready for his revival. This might have to do with the amount of misery people undergo, thus restoring the remains.

Now, I presume these remains are then tracked down and gathered by the cultists to be placed inside a coffin/tomb, where then the cultists will perform a ritual to infuse Dracula's newly regenerated body with his soul.

The burning ritual performed by Simon was meant to destroy Dracula once and for all, but poor Simon didn't expect there to be a hidden sixth remain.

Important of note is that Dracula can be regenerated with as little as ONE remain, albeit very weak.

That is interesting... thanks for that theplottwist.  I already knew about the burning ritual and the hidden sixth remain, but wasn't aware of the idea that Dracula's remains would regenerate between appearances.  Where do they regenerate, though, do you suppose?  Are they like the Triforce and they scatter around the countryside, waiting to be collected by Dracula's followers?
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 27, 2016, 02:18:12 AM
That is interesting... thanks for that theplottwist.  I already knew about the burning ritual and the hidden sixth remain, but wasn't aware of the idea that Dracula's remains would regenerate between appearances.  Where do they regenerate, though, do you suppose?  Are they like the Triforce and they scatter around the countryside, waiting to be collected by Dracula's followers?

Yes I think they scatter around, but I'm not sure about the rules of WHERE do they scatter to.

You see, when Simon first destroyed Dracula, his remains appeared inside mansions. Then, after this, Maxim located them somewhere undisclosed. Then, after Dracula Wraith's destruction, Shaft located them, and when Richter destroyed Dracula, the remains scattered inside Dracula's Castle itself to be found by Alucard later.

The last we have seen of the remains are in Ecclesia. They're contained inside that vessel, and after this, there is no more mentions of them (EVEN THOUGH I think there are hints, but this is stretching it).

So, ultimatelly, we can't tell where will they appear. But regardless of this, I think the evil parties have some sort of ritual to locate them.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: coinilius on January 27, 2016, 02:37:17 AM
Yeah, I figure there must be some kind of ritual or magic that allows the remains to be tracked down.  Though that raises the question of why the Belmont's never try to track down the remains themselves to try and preemptively destroy them.

On another tangent, I always thought that they missed a trick in Harmony of Dissonance by not making Maxim Mode a 'prequel' to the main game, with Maxim tracking down Dracula's remains.  Of course, by the nature of being an alternate mode it would have all had to take place within the castle from HoD  so that may not have ultimately made much sense.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Donvermicelli on January 27, 2016, 12:18:14 PM
That is interesting... thanks for that theplottwist.  I already knew about the burning ritual and the hidden sixth remain, but wasn't aware of the idea that Dracula's remains would regenerate between appearances.  Where do they regenerate, though, do you suppose?  Are they like the Triforce and they scatter around the countryside, waiting to be collected by Dracula's followers?

I surmised that they would appear in places where misery is concentrated most since the misery of the people regenerate them. This would be near castles of rulers that oppress their people or where great sickness has spread. In that sense the places where they appeared in the other video games make sense somewhat.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 27, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Yeah, I figure there must be some kind of ritual or magic that allows the remains to be tracked down.  Though that raises the question of why the Belmont's never try to track down the remains themselves to try and preemptively destroy them.

On another tangent, I always thought that they missed a trick in Harmony of Dissonance by not making Maxim Mode a 'prequel' to the main game, with Maxim tracking down Dracula's remains.  Of course, by the nature of being an alternate mode it would have all had to take place within the castle from HoD  so that may not have ultimately made much sense.

Hang on though, Juste does find Dracula's remains in the HoD Castle, which means Maxim already brought them there beforehand. That or the Castle with the remains materialised prior, but I'm sure Maxim states that he'd found the remains. (see his quote below). Since Maxim and Dark Maxim speak repeatedly on Dracula's remains, I assumed Maxim collected the remains in Wallachia (mansions, countryside, etc and whereever) and brought them to the Castle himself. Maxim was indeed influenced by the power of the remains and Good Maxim at one point says to Juste:

Maxim: "Dracula's strength was so overwhelming"

Lydie was going to be the final sacrifice that merged the two Castles, and reinforce Dark Maxim's power according to Death:

Death: "He was born of my Lord, so of course he knows ways to reinforce his power."
Juste: "?! No, surely not... Lydie's blood.."
Death: "That Maiden will play an essential role in the completion of this castle."

Therefore, the remains' influence (Dracula's power) found a host (Maxim) who found a blood sacrifice (Lydie).

As to why the remains were spread throughout the Castle, I assume that either Dark Maxim did this to hamper Juste's quest (from entering the final chamber in Castle B) as they were no longer required. (It's not the same situation as CVII where they were being guarded in the mansions and Simon required Oak Stakes to break the seal upon them.) When Dark Maxim tears away from Good Maxim, the remains unknowingly would resonate with him, creating 'Dracula Wraith'.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: theplottwist on January 27, 2016, 04:37:45 PM
As to why the remains were spread throughout the Castle, I assume that either Dark Maxim did this to hamper Juste's quest (from entering the final chamber in Castle B) as they were no longer required. (It's not the same situation as CVII where they were being guarded in the mansions and Simon required Oak Stakes to break the seal upon them.) When Dark Maxim tears away from Good Maxim, the remains unknowingly would resonate with him, creating 'Dracula Wraith'.

Yeah, Maxim found the remains, and then blacked out. When he awakened, the remains were gone and the castle had appeared. So it's implied Evil Maxim took over and hid them inside the castle.

Juste: What?! You found them?

Maxim: According to legend, it's still too early for Dracula's ressurection. It is not like anyone is cursed right now either. At    first, I was doubtful that I could find the remains... but I uncovered six parts, as if guided by a higher being...

Juste: That's impossible...

Maxim: I have little memory of what occured after that, but the remains have vanished. I do remember clearly though that Lydie was kidnapped...
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Shinobi on January 27, 2016, 04:48:04 PM
Funny, before I thought that chick was Maria Renard when I saw the screenshot in 10th anniversary of Castlevania special in Gamepro magazine, a little info from that magazine is that you will save a girl named Maria Renard before she get sacrificed and I thought that naked chick to be sacrificed was her, turns out it was just someone else.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: coinilius on January 27, 2016, 11:26:52 PM
Hang on though, Juste does find Dracula's remains in the HoD Castle, which means Maxim already brought them there beforehand. That or the Castle with the remains materialized prior, but I'm sure Maxim states that he'd found the remains. (see his quote below). Since Maxim and Dark Maxim speak repeatedly on Dracula's remains, I assumed Maxim collected the remains in Wallachia (mansions, countryside, etc and wherever) and brought them to the Castle himself. Maxim was indeed influenced by the power of the remains...

Er, yes, I wasn't trying to suggest that Maxim didn't find the remains prior to HoD, I assume that he sought them out around the Wallachian countryside, then Castle appeared, etc etc - I was just suggesting as well that I would have liked it if Maxim Mode had been presented as a 'prequel' story to the main HoD game... but I also realize that such a set up would probably not really make much sense, as because it's an alternate mode of HoD it would have had to have to take place in the Castle from HoD.

(For example, Maxim wanders through Wallachia, then the Castle would appear before him or something and he goes inside and collects the remains (exploring only Castle A, with no Castle B), ending with him being possessed and setting in motion the events of HoD)

It's more a topic for a thread of its own, but I just like it when the alternate character modes are presented with a bit of story of their own.

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Funny, before I thought that chick was Maria Renard when I saw the screenshot in 10th anniversary of Castlevania special in Gamepro magazine, a little info from that magazine is that you will save a girl named Maria Renard before she get sacrificed and I thought that naked chick to be sacrificed was her, turns out it was just someone else.

Maybe the girl who is sacrificed is the sister of Victoria Florescu...   ;)
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 28, 2016, 12:47:45 AM
Maybe the girl who is sacrificed is the sister of Victoria Florescu...   ;)

Or it's Victoria herself.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on January 29, 2016, 06:39:31 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned before... but in CV64, the lives of children are needed to bring him out of his Malus shell for full power (shown near the end).
In Legacy of Darkness, a woman gets sacrificed over the coffin just like in RoB to bring back Dracula's empty host body (which holds Dracula Ultimate and waits for the Power of the Wolf).
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: X on January 29, 2016, 09:41:17 PM
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(which holds Dracula Ultimate and waits for the Power of the Wolf)

That's what Dracula got instead since Cornell forced his wolf form to take the place of his adopted sister Ada. If that wasn't the case, Ada would have been the sacrifice which was probably what they were hoping for before Cornell intervened.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: coinilius on January 29, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
The intro to Castlevania Chronicles also has robed figures liberally splashing blood onto Dracula's coffin as well - the blood presumably coming from a recent sacrifice.  In the original non-crappy CGI version the main robed guy is waving a heart around which he squeezes and pops in a bloody explosion just as the coffin explodes open with the newly resurrected Dracula as well.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 29, 2016, 11:56:07 PM
In Legacy of Darkness, a woman gets sacrificed over the coffin just like in RoB to bring back Dracula's empty host body (which holds Dracula Ultimate and waits for the Power of the Wolf).

The first time I played LOD I thought that was Aida. I was relieved to learn that she survived.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 30, 2016, 08:52:20 PM
The first time I played LOD I thought that was Aida. I was relieved to learn that she survived.

Maybe I should write something to correct this.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 31, 2016, 12:11:30 AM
Maybe I should write something to correct this.

Well, what are you correcting?
It's been over a decade since I've played either CV 64 game, so forgive my memory lapsing.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 31, 2016, 01:50:18 AM
Men like Waffle keep Castlevania great.

You write that fix fic, man. Write the hell out of it.
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: Super Waffle on January 31, 2016, 04:45:20 PM
There once was a girl named Aida.

Then she got captured and sacrificed just to piss zangetsu off.

The End
Title: Re: The naked chick that got sacrificed at the beginning of RoB
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 31, 2016, 05:28:45 PM
There once was a girl named Aida.

Then she got captured and sacrificed just to piss zangetsu off.

The End

Bleach x Castlevania

You should write a fanfic of that... Perhaps more extensive than the last.

I can totally see Aizen as Dracula, and Final Ichigo (with the Zangetsu chain wrapped around his arm) being a Belmont.

The Hogyoku being akin to the Crimson Stone.

Las Noches is the closest thing to eternal night.