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Title: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: theplottwist on March 07, 2016, 06:13:45 AM
OK hypothesis time: Galamoth is a demon originally from the future, who sent the Time Reaper to 1797 to destroy Dracula during the events of SotN. The Reaper was intercepted by Aeon and failed, so Galamoth gathered his troops and went back in time himself, but also failed by being destroyed by Alucard as soon as he got there.

Now for addressing the points:

1. The Time Reaper.

Judgment is not given a proper time period. As the game states, it happens inside a time-rift created by Aeon that helps bringing people from everywhere together. Yet, the Time Reaper says that he was sent from "10,000 years hence" meaning that the Time Reaper clearly has an specific time period where he must land from his travel. If he can count "how many years he has been sent from", then, at least the place he is in, HAS a time period. One more evidence for that is that Aeon says that where the Time Reaper is, only one person can go -- implying that this space is a completelly different space from the Time-Rift.

In the end, the Time Reaper is destroyed, and calls for Galamoth's name as he disappears. While the game didn't tell us where in time it takes place, keep the Reaper's "10,000 years hence" bit in mind.

2. Galamoth went back in time himself with his troops after the Time Reaper's failure.

Galamoth's japanese description says that he is "a demon with a 10,000 years plan to take over the Demon Realm." This, coupled with Judgment make it obvious that Galamoth is nobody's servant and wants to destroy Dracula.

Beyond Galamoth, Frozen-Half is also not a servant of Dracula, being a servant of Galamoth. Another enemy present in the Floating Catacombs is Salome, whose japanese name is "Sausine" and japanese description says that her nickname is "Ma-chan". "Ma-chan" is an enemy from Boku Dracula Kun who is also a servant of Galamoth. After SotN, the same enemy sprite returns, but is called simply "Witch", with its description saying she's nothing more than a common witch.

So, while Frozen-Half is confirmed to serve Galamoth, Salome could possibly be his servant too based on the details I mentioned. Frozen-Half is never seen again in the series and neither is Sausine (as Sausine), implying these could be unique, irreplaceable enemies.

We know that Dracula is the Demon King and has Dominance over demons. So why aren't Galamoth and Frozen-Half (and arguably Sausine) under Dracula's command like every other demon in the castle? Galamoth is an extremelly powerful demon, so Dracula would never overlook that!

The explanation is really simple: Dracula simply does not know who they are. And this is possible if they JUST started existing in SotN -- by having come from the future to 1797. And I can prove that too: In the last battle against Aeon in Judgment, if you're playing as Dracula, Aeon says quite clearly that Galamoth is hunting Dracula from 10,000 years in the future, and Dracula's response is: "I fear no one requiring such absurd means to face me." Dracula has NO CLUE who Galamoth is. This is only possible if Galamoth was born AFTER Dracula's time.

As Aria has shown, the situation changed, though, and Galamoth's soul is under the castle's control by 2035, trapped in a candle. This could be a result of Alucard destroying Galamoth, and his soul becoming susceptible to the Castle's influence, as Eric Lecarde explanation about stray souls goes in PoR.

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Now, remember the "10,000 years" thing? So, Galamoth has a "10,000 years plan" and the Time Reaper comes from "10,000 years hence"? Coincidence? I think not. I think sending the Time Reaper was the original "10,000 years plan" and, after it failed, Galamoth travelled himself 10,000 years in the past to try to destroy Dracula.

Here are some interesting details:

-Galamoth comes from Kid Dracula, and most fans know this, but get this: Kid Dracula takes place in 11,797 -- exactly 10,000 years after 1,797, the same year of SotN's events.

-Galamoth's soul in Aria has the power to stay unnaffected by changes in time, explaining maybe how he was able to travel back in time.

-In Boku Dracula Kun, Kid Dracula is assisted by Death, while Galamoth has his own parody version of Death -- Shinigami-san. What does Death say to the Time Reaper when he meets him? "Even your visage mocks me. Die!"

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So that's it. While the hypothesis explains where does Galamoth come from, it doesn't explain why his objective was 1797, however. BUT I have one last hunch: I think the issue with time that Saint Germain was sent to fix on Curse of Darkness has to do with Galamoth successfully erasing the chunk of time where Dracula existed.
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 07, 2016, 08:13:11 AM
Was this... not obvious to everyone else?

I'm really asking. I thought it was obvious after Judgment all but spelled it out.
[EDIT] which was literally the only halfway decent thing about that game's characters and plot.
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: theplottwist on March 07, 2016, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: The Bloody Scholar on March 07, 2016, 08:13:11 AM
Was this... not obvious to everyone else?

I'm really asking. I thought it was obvious after Judgment all but spelled it out.
[EDIT] which was literally the only halfway decent thing about that game's characters and plot.

Not really.

Judgment says that Galamoth is attacking from the future, but Galamoth is present in SotN. It's not explained how Galamoth can be present in SotN to rebel against Dracula, and this is what I propose to do with this hypothesis. It could be inferred that Galamoth has existed for 10,000 years ever since SotN and then he attacked from the future, but as I point out in the post above, I think this is not possible. Galamoth can't exist in the same time as Dracula and rebel against him.

Also, there is the sequence of events. I'm saying here that Galamoth's battle against Alucard in SotN is something that comes after the Time Reaper is defeated.

I remember a certain time when the question "Just what the hell is Galamoth and what is he doing in SotN?" was a real thing, and some people still have it. So here I bring to the table that Galamoth has arrived from the future JUST as Alucard gets to his room.

Another funny parallel I noticed, though this might have not been intentional and I might be reading too much into it. This is the pose you find Galamoth in before you get near him (this is a screenshot taken with a tool, but you can see it if you approach him slowly):

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8ZjSKWB.png&hash=c72587afd0a2be7c0e7f49b6c085dc4367ee371b)

So, Galamoth is an extremelly-hard-to-kill dude coming from the future to assassinate the parent of the guy who will become a pebble in his shoe far into the future (considering a Castlevania-fied version of Kid Dracula is canon to this timeline, that is). Also, there is a lot of electricity involved. Where did I see that before...? Ah yes:

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Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: Inccubus on March 07, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
The first part of your theory is what I had always understood was the case all along. The similarity to that other franchise, however, I had never noticed before. Seems legit to me.
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: TheTextGuy on March 07, 2016, 12:56:20 PM
From now on, whenever I imagine Galamoth speak, he'll speak in a Schwarznegger impersonation.

Also I'm not surprised Galamoth would be a time traveller (especially since Kid Dracula shows him being a more futuristic tech-based villain), but for some reason I haven't thought of that possibility.
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 07, 2016, 11:25:08 PM
The theory seems legit to me too.

I agree the pose of being crouched almost on one knee in that position could very well mean he was emerging from another time.
Therefore given AoS' Castle having Galamoth's soul makes sense to optional boss fights being canon, at least in SOTN's context.(which also makes sense as map coverage affects the ending).

Interesting that KD takes places then, I had no idea because I've never played it and a few people seemed to be putting into their canon that KD was actually Alucard.
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: theplottwist on March 07, 2016, 11:37:45 PM
Quote from: zangetsu468 on March 07, 2016, 11:25:08 PM
Interesting that KD takes places then, I had no idea because I've never played it and a few people seemed to be putting into their canon that KD was actually Alucard.

You should play it, man. It's funny as shit and pretty fun too.

That's one thing that's up for debate -- Is Kid Dracula canon or not?

Given the evidence, I, personally, consider Kid Dracula canon as much as I consider Bram Stoker's Dracula canon -- meaning that, in the Castlevania timeline, something very similar but not quite exactly like the events depicted on these materials happen.

So, when I say "Kid Dracula is canon", I use it to give broad conceptual-strokes to the person listening to me. Not that I LITERALLY think that the events of Kid Dracula, including the crazy parodies, are canon. Same with Bram Stoker's Dracula.

But yeah, I think Kid Dracula is Alucard himself. Some people argue that Kid Dracula is actually a chibified Dracula, but along the game Death gives Kid Dracula "heirlooms from his father." Hell, who could possibly be Kid Dracula's father? ? ? ?
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 08, 2016, 03:31:02 AM
@Plot I agree wholeheartedly with a text (written, visual etc) of any kind which wasn't originally a staple in CV's universe occurring yet incorporating ever so slight differences to the original text.

I would take it as canon still, I mean Parodius is still a canon entry in the Gradius series even though it's literally "Parody" in the title. The crucial point is the context, i.e. 11,797 AD which is canon (despite what the events surrounding it are).

Quote from: theplottwist on March 07, 2016, 11:37:45 PM
the game Death gives Kid Dracula "heirlooms from his father." Hell, who could possibly be Kid Dracula's father? ? ? ?

The Vampire King of course. Either that or Alucard if he's still alive by then. Either way it's not Dracula himself.

Thinking about the Galamoth thing, I just had a crazy idea.. (italicised parts are my ideas)

-Galamoth comes from 11,797
-travels back to 1797 (anti-catacombs of Castlevania) with a 10k yr plan to take over the underworld
-gets defeated by Alucard in 1797
-his soul gets trapped inside Castlevania which is sealed in the eclipse eventually
-AoS happens; Soma gains dominance over his soul (despite that he's not fought in game)
-DoS happens; when Dmitri tries to become Dark Lord by emulating Soma's soul all the monsters escape as one (except Galamoth whose soul escapes entirely)
- Some 800 years later Galamoth's soul reincarnates and brings him to 11,797
- The cycle begins again
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: LuxKiller65 on March 08, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
My brain is exploding but this was interesting and I had never thought about it. I just wonder why he's THAT big in SotN though. He's still big in Kid Dracula but not like that. Maybe a glitch when he travelled back?

What's the snapshot of the crouched guy, a movie? What movie?
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 08, 2016, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: LuxKiller65 on March 08, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
My brain is exploding but this was interesting and I had never thought about it. I just wonder why he's THAT big in SotN though. He's still big in Kid Dracula but not like that. Maybe a glitch when he travelled back?

What's the snapshot of the crouched guy, a movie? What movie?

It's Arny from T2 I believe. Whenever they travel in time they wind up naked in the past in that position.

This proposes an interesting theory though, although I don't want to spoil Kid Dracula for myself (I don't know who the bosses are, what the story is etc etc) Galamoth sent himself back or was sent back to face off with Dracula allowing his future self to rule the underworld. It's interesting he specifically picked SOTN's incarnation of Dracula as the point to attack him. (Given it's thought that Dracula's humanity and/or any shred of it basically does manifest itself and is subsequently laid to rest in SOTN).

This does however mean that Galamoth went back to a point when Dracula was more vulnerable. It also means that in Galamoth's time Dracula was still ruling the underworld (or at the very least WAS prior to KD) which explains why he went back to this point in time.

Saint Germain was mentioned by someone which sparked an interesting memory, he spoke of being an observer, not being allowed to interfere any further with Hector (it seems he was allowed to give advice [a theory for another time] and/or fight him once;
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If SG had certain restrictions upon time travelling then is Galamoth outright disobeying the laws/order of the higher echelons?
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: theplottwist on March 08, 2016, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: zangetsu468 on March 08, 2016, 01:45:00 PM
If SG had certain restrictions upon time travelling then is Galamoth outright disobeying the laws/order of the higher echelons?

He's probably disobeying like a criminal does. Criminals don't care for laws.
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: theANdROId on March 12, 2016, 05:39:00 PM
This whole thing is fantastic!  :-)  I've thoroughly enjoyed reading it!
Title: Re: Galamoth Is a Time Traveller
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 14, 2016, 07:46:01 AM
I knew he was time travelling but the details presented were well written.