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Title: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: SecretWeapon on June 26, 2016, 05:39:44 AM
To be specific, Castlevania. Lords of Shadows: Walter's Curse.

First part could be set in Bernhard Castle with the final boss being the Forgotten One. We'd play as the Founders Julius mode style. My headcanon is the reason the Founders went to search immortality was because the Forgotten One prison was bound to their lifeforce so afterwards we'd unlock character specific chapters about their personal quest for Ascension (both to heaven and to power as Lords of Shadows)

-LSCarmilla story would be about seize Bernhard Castle, enacting vengance of Frankestein, summoning Olrox and Brauner and finalize with Laura's embrace or something about the Mirror of Fate.

-LSCornell story would be about the Necromantic Wars and his eventual capture of Agartha

-LSZobek about his trip to hell and finalize with the Heaven barrier spell from LoS1 plot
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 26, 2016, 07:01:23 PM
No thanks.  This would just continue taking Castlevania down a road further and further away from what it ever was. I mean look at your storyline descriptions and ask yourself does this sound like a Castlevania?  It's like suggesting a game where we play as the wizard boss from chronicles.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Nagumo on June 26, 2016, 08:56:02 PM
A bit of a side tangent, but I always thought it was pretty silly they felt the need to use a fictional fantasy war as backstory for a Castlevania game, which has always been more grounded in real world myths. There are plenty of interesting legends they could have used. For example, SotN references mythology related to the Goths and the Visgoths. They could have done something with that instead and it would have enriched the lore more than a generic sounding event such as the "Necromantic Wars" ever could.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: uzo on June 27, 2016, 02:17:46 AM
How about fucking NO.

After the abortion that was LoS2 you really want another Alvarez fueled mistake?
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 27, 2016, 06:09:13 AM
If you really want it, make it yourself. A fanfic would suffice if you are so into it.
But I won't be supporting it though. I prefer the LOS saga to sleep eternally in the vaults of Konami.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: X on June 27, 2016, 02:40:52 PM
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I prefer the LOS saga to sleep eternally in the vaults of Konami.

Then it'll just re-appear in another time by some foolish employee to plague us again, just like Dracula's resurrections, lol. Rather then sleeping in a vault for eternity, they should be non-existent.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: TheTextGuy on June 27, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
Then it'll just re-appear in another time by some foolish employee to plague us again

Prolly as a pachinko machine or crappy mobile game.  NO KONAMI FRANCHISE IS SAFE!  *cue "Carmilla's" erotic violence?*
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on June 28, 2016, 04:22:05 AM
  It's like suggesting a game where we play as the wizard boss from chronicles.

I'd like a game where you play as the Werewolf from Chronicles and throw parts of the environment at enemies ;P
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: TheTextGuy on June 28, 2016, 05:38:56 AM
I'd like a game where you play as the Werewolf from Chronicles and throw parts of the environment at enemies ;P

Grab Dracula's throne and kill him with it.

Speaking of "games with random playable mooks" I would like to have a game where you play as a skeleton that can take on the abilities of... well, all the various skeleton enemies in Castlevania.  So along with chucking bones, he could use a sword, kick his own skull around, use a nova beam and make a cocktail.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on June 28, 2016, 09:26:42 AM
Grab Dracula's throne and kill him with it.

#getthrone
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: X on June 28, 2016, 01:59:52 PM
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and make a cocktail.

This happens at the end of the game as you celebrate your victory with the rest of your bone buddies  ;D
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 28, 2016, 04:17:54 PM
bone buddies  ;D
No comment.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: piscesdreams on June 28, 2016, 07:34:29 PM
I'd rather LoS be more obscure than information about the 32x canceled Bloodletting.  LoS is a blight on the Castlevania name and was an early sign of what bullfuckery Konami was soon to pull.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Guy Belmont on June 28, 2016, 10:01:06 PM
Id have love to have seen more. its a shame to see all those great ideas just fall to dust.  But having said that id more
love to see a reboot of the Main timeline, and some of more sloppy parts of the story cleaned up.

Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: SecretWeapon on June 29, 2016, 06:16:35 AM
A bit of a side tangent, but I always thought it was pretty silly they felt the need to use a fictional fantasy war as backstory for a Castlevania game, which has always been more grounded in real world myths. There are plenty of interesting legends they could have used. For example, SotN references mythology related to the Goths and the Visgoths. They could have done something with that instead and it would have enriched the lore more than a generic sounding event such as the "Necromantic Wars" ever could.

To be fair, if they were going to add a ruined lost city that wasnt Atlantis, they had to explain it somehow (well they didnt have to, but i prefer it that way)

How about fucking NO.

After the abortion that was LoS2 you really want another Alvarez fueled mistake?

Over #eroticviolence? Of course.

No thanks.  This would just continue taking Castlevania down a road further and further away from what it ever was. I mean look at your storyline descriptions and ask yourself does this sound like a Castlevania?  It's like suggesting a game where we play as the wizard boss from chronicles.

Yeah playing as a guy with a sword with necromantic powers, a transforming witch and a werewolf is absolutely unprecedented in Castlevania. What was i thinking  :rollseyes:

I'd rather LoS be more obscure than information about the 32x canceled Bloodletting.  LoS is a blight on the Castlevania name and was an early sign of what bullfuckery Konami was soon to pull.

IIRC LoS is the best selling CV is the best selling CV game ever made (and will probably remain like that) so i find that unlikely
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Belmontoya on June 29, 2016, 12:33:52 PM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow should have been Castlevania Order of the Dragon.

A reboot starting with a story about Dracula should be a story about Dracula.

Not some guy named Gabriel who decides to call himself Dracula.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on June 29, 2016, 01:49:36 PM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow should have been Castlevania Order of the Dragon.

A reboot starting with a story about Dracula should be a story about Dracula.

Not some guy named Gabriel who decides to call himself Dracula.

And calls his son Alucard because .... Reasons 
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: X on June 29, 2016, 02:30:58 PM
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Castlevania Lords of Shadow should have been Castlevania Order of the Dragon.

A reboot starting with a story about Dracula should be a story about Dracula.

Not some guy named Gabriel who decides to call himself Dracula.

This would have been interesting. So long as it was Vlad and not some unknown pretender.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: piscesdreams on June 29, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: SecretWeapon
IIRC LoS is the best selling CV is the best selling CV game ever made (and will probably remain like that) so i find that unlikely

I speak hypothetically.  Sadly, it is one of the best selling in the series and that really chaps my ass.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 30, 2016, 03:13:56 AM
And calls his son Alucard because .... Reasons

He didn't know his son's name. And decided to call him "Alucard" due to it being the reverse of the name he was given by the people (Dracula). He gave him such a name because Trevor stood for the "reverse" of everything Gabriel stood for.

Because that's not convoluted at all and we could totally get all that from the short cutscenes that Gabriel and Trevor interact in.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: TheTextGuy on June 30, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
I speak hypothetically.  Sadly, it is one of the best selling in the series and that really chaps my ass.

Speaking of sales, how did MoF and LoS2 fare in terms of sales?
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 01, 2016, 11:02:35 AM
Speaking of sales, how did MoF and LoS2 fare in terms of sales?

They did okay. As I recall, MoF did better on PS3/360 than it did on DS.

LOS2 had some strong opening numbers after release, but in predictable fashion, as word about how awful the plot was started to spread, those numbers dropped off RAPIDLY.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on July 01, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
He didn't know his son's name. And decided to call him "Alucard" due to it being the reverse of the name he was given by the people (Dracula). He gave him such a name because Trevor stood for the "reverse" of everything Gabriel stood for.

Because that's not convoluted at all and we could totally get all that from the short cutscenes that Gabriel and Trevor interact in.

Therefore Simon = Alucard
Everyone who stands against Gabula = Alucard
Dumbest explanation ever
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: SecretWeapon on July 02, 2016, 01:29:29 AM
To be fair, Trevor was the first i think
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Neobelmont on July 02, 2016, 02:02:42 AM
As much as I love LoS. MoF and LoS2 were not exactly up to par and killed any trust I had in Mercurysteam which make me think why work on a franchise that you have no connection to? The only reason why I think LoS did as good as it did was because of sheer dumb luck and a willingness to be different in away that still sticks to cv while MoF failed because it tried to please everyone and had less than thrilling gameplay, and LoS2 still baffles me because there is just alot of influence it could have taken from other modern day frachises like supernatural, shin megami tensei, hellboy, blade, heck I would even go with this new show called preacher (that's really good by the way). Also how can devil may cry do it so much better than cv in a modern day setting? Heck, Tales of Xillia 2 does a modern like setting better than LoS2.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on July 02, 2016, 02:55:59 PM
To be fair, Trevor was the first i think

I know what you're saying, but it's still a poor explanation and was not implicit in the story.
We're only aware of the name "Alucard" because of previous Castlevania games which have nothing to do with LOS in terms of context/ universe or lore.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 02, 2016, 07:11:17 PM
Therefore Simon = Alucard
Everyone who stands against Gabula = Alucard
Dumbest explanation ever

I'd like to point out that in the Iga canon, Alucard chose his name to symbolize his eternal opposition to Dracula's monstrous goals himself. It's the exact same logic MoF uses, just in Igavania, Alucard is the one calling that logic instead of Dracula himself in Mirror of Fate.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on July 02, 2016, 08:37:26 PM

I'd like to point out that in the Iga canon, Alucard chose his name to symbolize his eternal opposition to Dracula's monstrous goals himself. It's the exact same logic MoF uses, just in Igavania, Alucard is the one calling that logic instead of Dracula himself in Mirror of Fate.

Mate I understand that and if LOS was released prior to the original games it would be a different story.
But we only know who or what Alucard is based upon previous Castlevania games, that's my point. It's lazy on MS' behalf.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 02, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
Mate I understand that and if LOS was released prior to the original games it would be a different story.
But we only know who or what Alucard is based upon previous Castlevania games, that's my point. It's lazy on MS' behalf.

Rebuttal: I thought MoF was very clear that Dracula had figured it out, but only too late. Otherwise he wouldn't have tried to save Trevor.

Furthermore, the only people playing Mirror of Fate have pretty much been confirmed to be Igavania fans with scant exception, as that was who it was aimed at since production had started. That's why it doesn't fill in any major gaps (and the ones it does are pretty well covered in LOS2 for redundancy's sake). It's MS's take on a Metroidvania for Metroidvania fans.

So the idea that anyone playing wouldn't know who Alucard was from the moment he first was identified seems kind of silly. If you're playing this game at all, you're the sort of person who already knows the main canon versions of these characters.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 03, 2016, 04:07:46 AM
So the idea that anyone playing wouldn't know who Alucard was from the moment he first was identified seems kind of silly. If you're playing this game at all, you're the sort of person who already knows the main canon versions of these characters.

That was the point of them including Alucard in the first place. Selling to IGA fans.
They shouldn't have, in my opinion. It just makes me hate them more.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on July 03, 2016, 05:50:46 AM
That was the point of them including Alucard in the first place. Selling to IGA fans.
They shouldn't have, in my opinion. It just makes me hate them more.

Alucard ruined Trevor, and let me tell you (everyone) that Trevor was the only character who had some edge to him. The only moment of MoF I actually liked was when he
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.. That was a fist pump moment, that's how the entire game should've felt.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: TheTextGuy on July 03, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
That was the point of them including Alucard in the first place. Selling to IGA fans.
They shouldn't have, in my opinion. It just makes me hate them more.

Couldn't agree more.  The fact that they made a 2D LoS game and proceeded to give it superficial IGAVania elements rubs me the wrong way.  The elements are surface only and when you get down to it, it's almost nothing like... well, an IGAVania.  It's almost as bad as giving characters the same names as the original characters even though they only share vague traits in common... like in LoS.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: JayDominus on July 12, 2016, 05:25:01 PM
Yeah, we should have. The series DID have a truckload of potential and in the hands of someone with a clear vision as well as somebody who can write (As LoS2 clearly demonstrated, Alvarez couldn't write a good plot even if his life depended on it) it could become something wonderful. Then again, this is more of a Legacy of Kain fan in me speaking, than a CV fan. Then again again, my inner CV fan is not too fond of IGA and what he turned the franchise into, so my opinion might not be popular.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: zangetsu468 on July 12, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
You know what, despite not liking the game's overall design if MoF was a sprite based game which played more like say PoR played I don't think it would've been that bad. No shaky camera, no choppiness to the gameplay, the axe actually being able to go through ceilings, a backdash mechanic, no domestic Belmont cutscenes, I may have dug that just enough purely for the gameplay.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: The Bizarre Trooper on July 14, 2016, 08:26:25 PM
I played all 3 LoS games.

The First one was alright tough i din't liked the ending of Gabriel Belmont becoming Gabula (Yeah that's how i call him) i was hoping that after the final boss we would have a glipmse of a very young Leon Belmont with a Gabriel Belmont that has accepted his wife death and moved on with his life!

Then i played Mirror of Fate... it was not bad but not good so technically: Meh!

And then i played Los2... i caught type-2 bad plot-betes! (seriously that how i felt about LoS2 story)

And the big part that bothers me the most: my name is Gabriel and when i heard the name of the main character had the same one as me when Lords of Shadow was first announced i was so happy because i am a huge fan of Castlevania, but then the after credit scene of Gabula happens!

What i'm saying is i am a Castlevania-holic fan and i consider all the Castlevania games canon to me (Except for Chronicles & SCV4 because they are technically remakes of Castlevania 1) so seeing what has transpired in the LoS Trilogy, it was this outrage that i had decided to finally do something: Making a Castlevania fan-game that take's place after Castlevania: Ricordanza of the God's Abyss, i called my future fan-game: Castlevania: Eclipse of Darkness!

But the only thing i'm good when it comes to fan things is the writting of the story i already have it in mind, i hgave the villain, i have the hero, i have the enemies, and best part is i got help from great fellow Castlevania fans i admire not only as fans of Castlevania but as great writers and artist! of course i'm refering to: theplottwist, Shiroi Koumori, Dracula9, The Bloody Scholar and Jorge D. Fuentes. Why i admire them? Because they are the greatest of fellow Castlevania fans who i can actually relate on the canon of the classic timeline.

My first Castlevania game is Catlevania 64, then after i got the LoS trilogy, i decided to buy ALL physical copies of all the Classic Castlevania games, right now i have Lament of Innocence (My personal fav) and Curse of Darkness and i enjoyed them more than the LoS trilogy, why? Because they are fun, they are entertaining at least when i play Lament of Innocence i can relate to Leon as a character thus making him my favorite Belmont along woth Juste Belmont wich are both the inspiration for my Castlevania OC Jason Belmont who is the hero of Eclipse of darkness and wich he's the son of Julius Belmont (altough he is also inspired by Luke Skywalker from Ep.6 and Jonathan Joestar =D)!

What i'm saying is the LoS trilogy is nothing but an inferior object compared to the Masterpiece that is the Classic Castlevania serie on wich everyday i keep repeating myself: I still belive in the Classic Timeline because of how great it is!

So yeah that is how i feel about the LoS Trilogy, so if you read through all this especially the fellow fans i named here: You are great keep up the great work to keep the spirit of the Classic Castlevania franchise alive like i do, godspeed you guys, godspeed. =)
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: Flame on July 17, 2016, 02:38:52 AM
Better idea, we should have gotten a better LoS2.
Title: Re: We should have gotten another LoS game
Post by: The Bizarre Trooper on July 17, 2016, 02:49:21 AM
Better idea, we should have gotten a better LoS2.

I Agree 200.0%!