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Title: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: KaZudra on August 26, 2016, 04:34:42 AM
Example: Simon Belmont
(http://1u88jj3r4db2x4txp44yqfj1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ssb-simon.jpg)


How Simon Would Actually look like in the late 1600's
(http://www.discoversinging.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Fashion-in-1600s1.png)
Now, the first thing that came to mind was this....
(http://www.mana-sama.net/images/malice_mizer.jpg)

I might reboot this into a full blown "What if they looked accurate to timeline" Deal.
Mozart Richter, Monty Python's Holy Grail Leon, Mafia John Morris, Boy Band Julius (LMAO)
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: X on August 26, 2016, 09:44:41 AM
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Mozart Richter, Monty Python's Holy Grail Leon, Mafia John Morris, Boy Band Julius (LMAO)

That'll be bad ,lol. I think Simon is good as he is (Not the pretty boy Kojima designed). He's not of nobility and wouldn't exactly be wearing anything fanciful. He's a warrior first and foremost and therefore would want to sport clothing that would allow for quick movements. While the barbarian look is not accurate I'll admit, his attire might be that of wool, fur, leather, linen, and canvas depending. And I seriously doubt he'd wear the wig. That thing's just f**king tacky  :P
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: aensland on August 26, 2016, 12:14:25 PM
To be fair, not even a single Belmont had period clothing, the "closest" thing is Simon's attire in Castlevania II (kinda looks like an actual romanian warrior)

And also Mana strayed a lot in his costume design during that era...
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: TatteredSeraph on August 26, 2016, 12:47:11 PM
What cracks me up on this is that the song that this pic of Malice Mizer is for is called 'Gekka no Yasoukyoku' - the Japanese name for SotN.  INterestingly as well, Gackt donned an outfit that is pretty much an Alucard cosplay.  Heck, this is how I discovered Malice Mlzer, and thus Visual Kei in the first place. 

(https://gacktpause.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/gackt-3503.jpg?w=549)


I'd also say that Versailles is rather Castlevania-y in their costumes.

(http://i1.jpopasia.com/news/3/10087-zzsx17azmq.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: KaZudra on August 26, 2016, 04:54:22 PM
To be fair, not even a single Belmont had period clothing, the "closest" thing is Simon's attire in Castlevania II (kinda looks like an actual romanian warrior)

And also Mana strayed a lot in his costume design during that era...

To it's credit, SOTN Richter is fairly accurate with liberties
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: X on August 26, 2016, 05:44:29 PM
Juste also was more era accurate. My only complaint was him looking too much like Alucard. John Morris had era-accurate cloths as well.
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: zangetsu468 on August 27, 2016, 02:28:45 AM
Juste also was more era accurate. My only complaint was him looking too much like Alucard.

I think the Alucardish look was playing on SOTN's iconicism with Alucard the fact that HoD (at least in philosophy; 2 castles etc) was more like SOTN than almost any other CV handheld.

I always though Juste inherited Leon's features. 
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: MooMilk on August 27, 2016, 02:43:37 AM
That's what somebody would look like then, that don't mean Simon would look like that. Far as we know Simon didn't have a manor house and live and dress lavishly. I don't know if Simon belmont whipping candles and finding money in them is really canon. So he could be working class.
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: X on August 27, 2016, 10:28:19 AM
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That's what somebody would look like then, that don't mean Simon would look like that. Far as we know Simon didn't have a manor house and live and dress lavishly. I don't know if Simon belmont whipping candles and finding money in them is really canon. So he could be working class.

True. Very true. He's a warrior/vampire hunter, and did not waste his time with upper class pleasantries. He was too busy training and working his body into shape. Most likely physical labor or perhaps an apprentice to a blacksmith.
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: chainsawmidget on September 01, 2016, 02:56:36 PM
If that's being historically accurate, then I'm glad they went a different direction.   

Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: TheouAegis on September 19, 2016, 04:11:34 AM
Simon was either French, German, or Romanian. If he was French, he wouldn't be wearing frilly nobleman clothes, because they're not meant for fighting. What I find most odd about his sprite is how little attire he seems to wear. He is clearly wearing a tunic or shirt, but it appears to be a short-sleeved shirt and short-sleeves were not that popular from all the images I saw on Google (in any country). Body armor (like in his cover art) was certainly around then, but his bare skin is odd. He does clearly look like a 16th or 17th century peasant or lower infantry in his early sprites, though. His cover artwork is where the flaws are, not his sprites.
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: EstebanT on September 27, 2016, 01:05:40 PM
Well Mana supposedly made a Castlevania track at some point but it never came out outside japan.
I tried asking Iga about it during one of his AMAs but predictably he didn't answer.
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: aensland on September 27, 2016, 02:30:15 PM
Well Mana supposedly made a Castlevania track at some point
It was just a ringtone (now lost) called "La nuit blanche"
Title: Re: Anyone Notice that Malice Mizer Did Castlevania better than Castlevania?
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2016, 10:31:02 PM
here's something I got off of google. From Bukovina,

(https://a.pomf.cat/fkkcse.jpg)

and from Transylvania

(https://a.pomf.cat/fgtssl.jpg)

given Simon is a warrior, not a nobleman, he isnt gonna wear normal clothes, so I'd take something in between the soldiers up top and the guy on the left in the bottom pic.

Also, both Malice Mizer and Versailles, (gothic Visual kei in general mostly) tend to borrow heavily from French Baroque. English 17th century for example, is fairly different, and not nearly as ridiculously elaborate

(https://a.pomf.cat/hboauh.jpg)