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Title: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 13, 2017, 01:50:37 PM
Assuming CV games got made again ofc. Personally i believe the reason Judgement got doomed critically was the Death Note guy designs making critics hate the game at first glance because honestly, the gameplay isn't awful. Had at least "classic" alts been unlockables i believe it would have gotten less crap.

Anyway, personally i would like a sequel. CV ridculously large roster is perfect for these type of games
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Chernabogue on February 13, 2017, 02:17:22 PM
I wouldn't mind, but maybe more of a Smash Bros.-esque type of game.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: X on February 13, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
In a word? NO. Personally Judgment was awful. The reasons' are:

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Personally i believe the reason Judgement got doomed critically was the Death Note guy designs making critics hate the game at first glance because honestly, the gameplay isn't awful.

This is one I also agree with. But there are other reasons too (though more personal to me). Maria's conversation about big breasts (serving no real purpose for the story what-so-ever), and the non-existent CVIII love triangle between pretty boy Trevor, Mummy Grant, and Sypha (again, non-existent love triangle) is the last nail in Dracula's coffin.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Crying Freeman on February 13, 2017, 04:22:26 PM
A CV fighting game is such a good idea that I'd love to see a ton of them! That being said Judgement failed. CV is known for 2D, it's perfected 2D gameplay multiple times through the years, and then when the idea of a fighting game comes around they wanna copy Power Stone? I can accept that as long as the gameplays good, and it was OK. But the art.... omfg. I felt like a DMC fan when DmC was announced. It DOES NOT WORK at all. Like what the fuck did they do to Simon?? That was almost as bad as the Kojima redesign. The worst part of  Judgement was the writing though... Titty jokes are fine but in CV it just seems like generic anime try-hardiness. At least the soundtrack was awesome!

If we ever get a Judgement 2 or any new CV Fighter, they should look at Megaman Battle Fighters for inspiration: That was classic Megaman gameplay put into a fighting game format and it worked beautifully- its one of the most addictive arcade games I've ever played. If they do classic CV control and mechanics relative to the selected character: Simon whips in 8 directions and can swing, Richer has the backflip and item crash, Christopher has the fireball shot, Maria can double jump, Juste has the magic sub weapons, Alucard can transform into mist/wolf/bat and even Soma could have some of his soul powers. Sure it sounds like a mess but rather than a character being OP it'll be based more on the player's style and familiarity with their main. Use different sprites as costumes (8-bit Simon, SCV4, Chronicles Kojima, Saturn Richter COstume, 8-bit Alucard etc). I think it was such a wasted oppurtunity, and if they went 2D for Judgement I think it would've been one of the Wii's most respected titles assuming it was done right, and it would've been cheaper to produce by reusing sprites like the Metroidvanias did- possibly easier success.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 13, 2017, 07:14:08 PM
I dont want a 2D sprites fighter ew. This isnt 1987 anymore

Quote from: X on February 13, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
In a word? NO. Personally Judgment was awful. The reasons' are:

So, you dont want a #2 because #1 had character design and tit jokes. Because y'know, those two thing are absolutely impossible to change them for #2. Wow
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 13, 2017, 09:13:46 PM
I'd rather like to see a Judgement 2 that doesn't acknowledge it's predecessor (things are just less awkward that way). Throw out a narrative justification and pull a Smash Bros "you wanted to see these blokes, fight, so let's have 'em fight". It's not that a narrative justification CAN'T work (I mean, Project Soul got Link, Spawn, and Heihachi into the Soul Calibur universe with no problems that way), but I've seen a lot of people take the Time Rift excuse plot waaaay more seriously than it should have been. Better to do without it and just go "why is Gabriel Belmont fighting Leon? Because it's awesome, dear boy. Because it's awesome."
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 13, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
They can acknowledge it. It'd probably be boiled down to token mentions by Aeon (if he appreared) or minor stuff like "I feel i remember you/you look familiar" since the character memories are erased after leaving the Time Rift
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 13, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
Quote from: SecretWeapon on February 13, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
They can acknowledge it. It'd probably be boiled down to token mentions by Aeon (if he appreared) or minor stuff like "I feel i remember you/you look familiar" since the character memories are erased after leaving the Time Rift

See, that is doable. As a story, the failure of Judgement was that it came across like it was telling A Lie Too Big that was steadily collapsing on itself the more it tried to shore up supports. But a broad strokes version like you described would honestly be a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 14, 2017, 01:50:35 AM
Well, judging that Judgment is shit, No.
I would more like Harmony of Despair with Symphony of the Night gameplay for all-stars.

I would like it if it's 2D sidescroller fighting game has Kojima art, Good graphics and good music, and featuring more characters and their alternative clothing.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Eric Roman on February 14, 2017, 05:28:48 AM
Only if it's  Serio's (http://serio.piiym.net/cvbla/). 

Business.  (Couldn't resist!)
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 14, 2017, 10:47:58 AM
If it'd hypothetically be anything like the first insofar as general design and aesthetics:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdunk360.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FChief-Keef-Sued-Charity-Event.-NAH.jpg&hash=8cfa1c602e6225c0a700eca83c95f2863d7a5686)
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Reinhart77 on February 14, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
hehe, i'd take a new anything Castlevania without complaints.  we still need to see Judgement Galamoth for one thing.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on February 14, 2017, 09:15:59 PM
I liked the first Judgement. I beat the story several times. please don't crucify me
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 14, 2017, 09:20:39 PM
Too late.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FGCxOx5r.png&hash=04668d8f3abff80f332004e09284e355803cbea3)
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Super Waffle on February 15, 2017, 04:08:19 AM
Maybe if I could tell who the hell the people were supposed to be.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 15, 2017, 07:03:09 AM
I didn't mind the artstyle of Judgement. Some of the outfits were not what I associate with typical CV release, but I like the designs as a standalone title. Mostly because I think Death Note has some of the best and most detailed drawings that Manga has seen. I think it was good as a one-off though.

As for the gameplay, it wasn't terrible, it just wasn't terribly addictive.   
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: AlexCalvo on February 15, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Yes, let's do completely unrecognizable character designs in a game that is literally all about fan service.  Some of the designs were done without even attempting to look like who they were supposed to be. Looking at you Grant and Death, among others.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 15, 2017, 05:19:50 PM
I had hopes that after 9 years people would be able to talk something about Judgement besides art design.

Death didnt get his robes because of the engine probably.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 15, 2017, 05:38:58 PM
That it's been nine years should tell you how bad of an idea it was, for fans to hold onto it for that long.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 15, 2017, 11:49:01 PM
It talks more about people being short sighted idiots, like the latest american elections :3
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: chainsawmidget on February 15, 2017, 11:56:21 PM
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Had at least "classic" alts been unlockables i believe it would have gotten less crap.
Why should the iconic designs everybody knows and loves be hidden? 

If anything, the new looks should have been unlockables.  Frankly though, if they have to be there, I would have used them as just an alternate costume.   

Press Button A to select your character, you get 80s fantasy/barbarian costumes. 
Press B you get that whole elegant goth Kojima stuff. 
Press C you get funky Death Note looks. 

Everybody's happy. 

Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
Quote from: SecretWeapon on February 15, 2017, 11:49:01 PM
It talks more about people being short sighted idiots, like the latest american elections :3

Bad comparison, get a better argument.

"Ten years and fans still are mad the designs are dumb, that means the fans are dumb because focusing on that thing means they cannot possibly have other reasons!" is just about as stupid of an argument as "Succubae are bad and anything with tits is bad and doesn't belong in muh Cassulvanya and YuGiOh characters would be better and """"""""""sexualization"""""""""" ruined the seires for all eternity."

Don't make arguments like that. :P

Judgment's got a lot of things about it I could build an argument around, but the designs are just plain terrible enough that I can center on that. The rest of the game isn't nearly as inherently bad, but there's not much about it that's memorable either. A boring and forgettable game is no better than a bad one, as far as I see things.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 16, 2017, 09:06:14 AM
Quote from: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
Bad comparison, get a better argument.

"Ten years and fans still are mad the designs are dumb, that means the fans are dumb because focusing on that thing means they cannot possibly have other reasons!" is just about as stupid of an argument as "Succubae are bad and anything with tits is bad and doesn't belong in muh Cassulvanya and YuGiOh characters would be better and """"""""""sexualization"""""""""" ruined the seires for all eternity."

Don't make arguments like that. :P

Judgment's got a lot of things about it I could build an argument around, but the designs are just plain terrible enough that I can center on that. The rest of the game isn't nearly as inherently bad, but there's not much about it that's memorable either. A boring and forgettable game is no better than a bad one, as far as I see things.

Oh wow. Just dragging someone in? Well, personally Judgement art is shit and its definitely not Obata Takeshi's best. Rather have Symphony Maria, CotM Carmilla and CV3 Sypha. Would be 100 times better. At least bring Kojima Ayami in. Someone ruined Artwork of 'sequel to one of the greatest Metroidvaina' into total shit to get something as Issac.

Also, CV is not Civ or educational tool. Who cares if its not accurate (Elizabetha died during Crusades and very first Crusade was 1098 and LoI is set in 1094)? It's just a game. And yes. I believe that Astarte is so shit that a "Historically inaccurate" giant, intimidating Monsters named after a god, which is from a Card Game manga is better (But Portrait has nothing to do with it, isn't it?). Also, I never said that in that tone. Wanna be sarcastic? Do it well.

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Guys, just ignore this topic it and continue with Judgment.

My say is that Judgment is a total failure in Character design, Gameplay, Sound, Graphics and Story (It crippled all character, especially female, even especially Sypha and Maria's characteristics). CV belongs to world of 2D, not 3D. If we want a CV all-stars fighter, just make it 2D.

Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 09:15:01 AM
Succubae stems from the Late Latin (300-600 AD) succuba "paramour"; from succub(āre) "to lie beneath" (sub- "under" + cubāre "to lie in bed"), with the "under" segment referring also to the supernatural and demonic in general.

"Succubus" didn't come around until almost 1500 AD.

Succuba/Succubae preceded it by over a thousand years.

Good try, though. It's cute how you still think you can get a leg up on me. The other "typos" were part of the shitpost. Try a bit harder next time, you fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 16, 2017, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 09:15:01 AM
Succubae stems from the Late Latin (300-600 AD) succuba "paramour"; from succub(āre) "to lie beneath" (sub- "under" + cubāre "to lie in bed"), with the "under" segment referring also to the supernatural and demonic in general.

"Succubus" didn't come around until almost 1500 AD.

Succuba/Succubae preceded it by over a thousand years.

Good try, though. It's cute how you still think you can get a leg up on me. The other "typos" were part of the shitpost. Try a bit harder next time, you fucking idiot.

Well, yeah, it's not nice to call someone a fucking idiot, even if you think they are one. It's called manners and even someone as evil as Dracula has them. Also, if we are talking of SotN Succubus, SotN it is set on 1797. Also, the game calls it Succubus even in LoI (1094). Succubus in general would be called succubus/succubae, but this is a pronoun (specific name of a character and only there is only one Succubus in SotN) so we have to call it what the game calls it, so should only be called as Succubus. Also. other typos, I know it is a deliberate one, but as much nitpicking you do to me, I need to nitpick back to you. Even the slightest error. Judging that you are not dealing with the real argument and nitpicking (I need real arguments if I want to rebut), also that your offensive word choices, I will say that you are running out of arguments and your rebuttal is a anime-cute act.

P.S. Guys, ignore this and get back to Judgment.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 12:40:02 PM
Doubly cute--I don't remember specifying SotN when I mentioned Succubae in general. Pretty sure I just disproved your idiotic "I'm a grammar Nazi, it's succubi" statement. I don't give you "full arguments" anymore because you clearly proved you don't actually care about those in the original argument about sexuality in Castlevania.

Start acting like you're worth that effort and I may just provide it. Otherwise, get used to condensed arguments and being called a fucking idiot--because until you act worthy of a "genuine" argument, that's all you are to me. All your posturing about only being able to rebut to "real" arguments and acting intellectually aloof/superior don't mean a fucking thing to me, since all I have to do is link the OG debate to (dis)prove just how much you really care about "real" arguments and just how "intellectual" you are. Quit bullshitting yourself.

And let's not forget that what you call "manners" and "respect" are something earned and not handed to you on a plate because you feel entitled to it. It's earned. You haven't earned mine. Either do so or quit bitching like a petulant child because I don't just hand you what you want.

How many straws can you fit in your hands, again? Looks like a lot.

And no, you don't get to tell other people to ignore or carry on. That's their decision to make, not yours.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 16, 2017, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 12:40:02 PM
Doubly cute--I don't remember specifying SotN when I mentioned Succubae in general. Pretty sure I just disproved your idiotic "I'm a grammar Nazi, it's succubi" statement. I don't give you "full arguments" anymore because you clearly proved you don't actually care about those in the original argument about sexuality in Castlevania.

Start acting like you're worth that effort and I may just provide it. Otherwise, get used to condensed arguments and being called a fucking idiot--because until you act worthy of a "genuine" argument, that's all you are to me. All your posturing about only being able to rebut to "real" arguments and acting intellectually aloof/superior don't mean a fucking thing to me, since all I have to do is link the OG debate to (dis)prove just how much you really care about "real" arguments and just how "intellectual" you are. Quit bullshitting yourself.

And let's not forget that what you call "manners" and "respect" are something earned and not handed to you on a plate because you feel entitled to it. It's earned. You haven't earned mine. Either do so or quit bitching like a petulant child because I don't just hand you what you want.

How many straws can you fit in your hands, again? Looks like a lot.

And no, you don't get to tell other people to ignore or carry on. That's their decision to make, not yours.

Well, even if I tried to make an actual argument, your offensive words and ignorance comes in way. Also, even if I tried to make an rebuttal, you tend to ignore my arguments and just attack the person in front the monitor, just because they do not agree with you. And so on and on, going in cycle just like Dracula VS Belmont. Judging by that, in your opinion, everyone that does not agree with you does not have human intelligence and is not worthy of being a human. Very Nazi-like mindset.

I might have as much intelligence as Dario, but that doesn't means that you can just ignore my argument. unless you can prove that they did something evil, you cannot be rude to them just because you do not agree with them. In your logic, you would say f word to a man on the street just because they didn't earn your "respect". Judging by your word choice, I can tell that you are the rudest Dungeonite I have ever witnessed.

Also, I like to point out that you never let me give a chance to make a well-made argument. Most of my argument was trying to justify myself or "teach" you manners, not on argument itself. So, I will insist that in your point of view, i might be an dumb asshole, so just calm down and give me your argument/rebuttal.

And my point that other people should ignore these was not a forced action, but more like a suggestion. Like a speed mark. So, if it is their decision to make, someone would drive 100km in school zone and car crash would happen eventually. So it is not uselsss.

So yeah let me rephrase that. Other dungeonites, please do not get involved as it is not recommended. Please continue the talk about Judgment 2.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 16, 2017, 01:32:53 PM
This whole thread has turned into Judgment too..
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 01:50:47 PM
>lol you're a nazi
(godwin-sama would be ashamed)

>waah you say fuck i don't like the word fuck
(are you five? are you literally five? fuck is a regular part of my vocabulary and i use it and other swears frequently regardless of context, get the fuck outta here with that shit, you're not so special and important that i'm shelling out swears just for you to get pissy about, it's part of how i fucking talk)

>you are literally just the wurst
(excuse you, princess, i am actually a hamburger and not a german sausage)

>waah you just ignore my argument and opinion
(no, as the OG debate will show, i broke down each point and explained why it was wrong, and you couldn't handle that and played the victim, so stop making shit up to try and make me look bad, if i wanted to look bad i wouldn't need any help from you)

>waah you just ignore my argument and opinion 2: electric boogaloo
(i wouldn't be posting if i were ignoring them, do you not know what "ignore" means?)

>waah you just ignore my argument and opinion 3: vendetta starts with v
(most of what you post is crap as far as facts and objectivity are concerned, so if being rebutted on those bits isn't to your taste then get off the internet because that shit's not going away no matter how much you bitch and moan and cry foul)

>waah you never give me a chance to argue properly
(false, i wholeheartedly welcome such a change, but you're always far too busy insulting my integrity and patronizing that i need to learn "manners" and trying to turn the subjective objective that i've rarely ever seen you post a "serious" argument--you get what you give)

>waah i have the right to my opinion and you're king asshole for not "respecting" it
(you have every right to both have your opinion and shout it from the rooftops, but that right does not extend to shielding you from the consequences of expressing that opinion--you're just as bad as the idiots who say some controversial shit to stir the pot and then cite the first amendment as if the right to free speech also protects from any consequences of that speech)

>waah you swear your language is rude you're so mean and bad
(If thou dost wisheth for me to transmogrify mine own linguistic idiosyncracies, then verily I doth bequeath henceforth that I am indeed exorbitantly and wholesomely of capability to undergo and enforce such individualistic alterations under the premise of entertaining thy fancy. Forsooth, however, I must admit that I am afeared that such pantomiming would be arbitrarily forsaken upon thy own deaf ears.

or in other words, i can start posting in iambic pentameter or old latin or elizabethan english or even middle english if you want a more "refined" manner of speech to come from me; but i fail to see the point in that since you don't actually seem to care about anything but what you cherry-pick to further play the victim and villify me, so while i'm fully and readily capable of altering how i speak, i have no intention of doing so just because you don't like the current method--something something you haven't earned my respect or such deliberate courtesy yet something something haven't i already explained this like three fucking times already something something)

>just because you think i'm stupid doesn't mean you can treat me like that
(actually that's exactly what it means--just like i said above, just as you have the right to any opinion and expression of it, so too do i, the only difference is i'm not bitching and moaning that you're being unfair and mean and rude and evil (only that you're dumb and that i think your opinions are dumb), because i accept the consequences of what thoughts i choose to publicly express)

>you think i'm dario
(woah, now, don't go putting words in my mouth. i called you a fucking idiot, i didn't call you a brainded power-hungry jackass with a sense of fashion that would make a denim-on-denim-on-denim-on-denim-on-denim two-bit country singer vomit in disgust)

>waah you just ignore my arguments and attack me directly
(you have yet to put forth a "serious" argument that can actually be backed up with facts (the moment you do so i can assure you you will see a significant change in what i post in tandem), and have instead made it a point to attack my own character and credibility--don't dish it out if you don't have the spine to take it in return)

>if someone disagrees with you you deem them less than human
(lol i don't know where the actual fuck you got this from but it's total horseshit--you're just as human as i am, and that includes all the flaws that being human coalesces--it's not my fault if you can't handle those flaws being picked at, and all i've been doing is defending against your baseless and crass accusations accordingly, so don't go getting any ideas saying i can't handle my own flaws being picked at--bigger and better people than you have picked at me and my opinions in the past, and most of the time i've come to respect them for not kissing my ass)

and just once again for good measure

>you're like a nazi
(last i checked, being told you're an idiot and full of shit is not comparable to mass genocide and ethic purging, so as far as i give a shit you're even more of a shitstain for thinking it's acceptable to utter such a grotesque undermining of what actual nazis actually did and do just to try and throw a barb at somebody on the internet disagreeing with you--you want me to change how i address you? shit like this is a guaranteed way to ensure that will never happen, so choose your words carefully)

also i'm not bothering with proper capitalization and whatnot because the more i listen to you speak the less effort i feel like putting forth in arguing with you, so keep your grammar nazi rhetoric to yourself this time please
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 16, 2017, 02:17:55 PM
>lol you're a nazi
(godwin-sama would be ashamed)

I said Nazi-like mindset (i should have used ideology)

>waah you say fuck i don't like the word fuck
(are you five? are you literally five? fuck is a regular part of my vocabulary and i use it and other swears frequently regardless of context, get the fuck outta here with that shit, you're not so special and important that i'm shelling out swears just for you to get pissy about, it's part of how i fucking talk)

I'm not five. Or else I would've not even have intelligence to go on internet and have a brawl. Also, is disliking a curse means that I am child? We have to think about that. Because it's a opinion. Some might like cursing, other do not.

>you are literally just the wurst
(excuse you, princess, i am actually a hamburger and not a german sausage)

Didn't say that. I've seen worse people in this whole entire world. You might be the rudest, didn't say you're the worst.

>waah you just ignore my argument and opinion
(no, as the OG debate will show, i broke down each point and explained why it was wrong, and you couldn't handle that and played the victim, so stop making shit up to try and make me look bad, if i wanted to look bad i wouldn't need any help from you)

LOL I never played victim it was you who drove me as brainless

>waah you just ignore my argument and opinion 2: electric boogaloo
(i wouldn't be posting if i were ignoring them, do you not know what "ignore" means?)

Yes you did. You tend to ignore my other points and only rebutted what you can rebut.

>waah you just ignore my argument and opinion 3: vendetta starts with v
(most of what you post is crap as far as facts and objectivity are concerned, so if being rebutted on those bits isn't to your taste then get off the internet because that shit's not going away no matter how much you bitch and moan and cry foul)

I said, we just come around and round and its a damn cycle of same-point rebuttal

>waah you never give me a chance to argue properly
(false, i wholeheartedly welcome such a change, but you're always far too busy insulting my integrity and patronizing that i need to learn "manners" and trying to turn the subjective objective that i've rarely ever seen you post a "serious" argument--you get what you give)

Well, if we dig into that PoR and Nazi thread, you was the first to start the mudfight. I was happy to give friendly debate, but you never treated me how others did. Literally everyone in the forum will never use curse at the very first argument.

>waah i have the right to my opinion and you're king asshole for not "respecting" it
(you have every right to both have your opinion and shout it from the rooftops, but that right does not extend to shielding you from the consequences of expressing that opinion--you're just as bad as the idiots who say some controversial shit to stir the pot and then cite the first amendment as if the right to free speech also protects from any consequences of that speech)

Well, that goes same to you. I rebutted according to my thought, but you tend to make me a dumb asshole with Zombie intelligence.

>waah you swear your language is rude you're so mean and bad
(If thou dost wisheth for me to transmogrify mine own linguistic idiosyncracies, then verily I doth bequeath henceforth that I am indeed exorbitantly and wholesomely of capability to undergo and enforce such individualistic alterations under the premise of entertaining thy fancy. Forsooth, however, I must admit that I am afeared that such pantomiming would be arbitrarily forsaken upon thy own deaf ears.

or in other words, i can start posting in iambic pentameter or old latin or elizabethan english or even middle english if you want a more "refined" manner of speech to come from me; but i fail to see the point in that since you don't actually seem to care about anything but what you cherry-pick to further play the victim and villify me, so while i'm fully and readily capable of altering how i speak, i have no intention of doing so just because you don't like the current method--something something you haven't earned my respect or such deliberate courtesy yet something something haven't i already explained this like three fucking times already something something)

You know, modern English is not full of curses. You can speak with manners even without going to past. Or should I believe that you learned English playing GTA.

>just because you think i'm stupid doesn't mean you can treat me like that
(actually that's exactly what it means--just like i said above, just as you have the right to any opinion and expression of it, so too do i, the only difference is i'm not bitching and moaning that you're being unfair and mean and rude and evil (only that you're dumb and that i think your opinions are dumb), because i accept the consequences of what thoughts i choose to publicly express)

Yes. Even with less intelligence, you should treat them as equal human beings. If you don't want to as you think you are superior, tough luck. The society doesn't allow that.

>you think i'm dario
(woah, now, don't go putting words in my mouth. i called you a fucking idiot, i didn't call you a brainded power-hungry jackass)

Well, one of Dario's characteristic is being dumb. I can't find any other dumb person in any other CV game. Also, f I'm Dario, you would be Graham.

>waah you just ignore my arguments and attack me directly
(you have yet to put forth a "serious" argument that can actually be backed up with facts (the moment you do so i can assure you you will see a significant change in what i post in tandem), and have instead made it a point to attack my own character and credibility--don't dish it out if you don't have the spine to take it in return)

Yes you did. Better off smashing the argument first. Here's one rule from "kid's TV show game". You cannot 'direct attack' opponent if there is monster existing on opponent's monster zone.

>if someone disagrees with you you deem them less than human
(lol i don't know where the actual fuck you got this from but it's total horseshit--you're just as human as i am, and that includes all the flaws that being human coalesces--it's not my fault if you can't handle those flaws being picked at, and all i've been doing is defending against your baseless and crass accusations accordingly, so don't go getting any ideas saying i can't handle my own flaws being picked at--bigger and better people than you have picked at me and my opinions in the past, and most of the time i've come to respect them for not kissing my ass)

and just once again for good measure

That's how I believe to be. You could point out the flaws, but you tend to tell me that I'm stupid because of the flaws. Thus my errors can't be changed and so do yours.

>you're like a nazi
(i've got a lot of jew in my family tree, you insolent fuck, hold your fucking tongue and do not dare to compare me to that filth just because you can't handle being called out on your bullshit--last i checked, being told you're an idiot and full of shit is not comparable to mass genocide and ethic purging, so as far as i give a shit you're even more of a shitstain for thinking it's acceptable to utter such a grotesque undermining of what actual nazis actually did and do just to try and throw a barb at somebody on the internet disagreeing with you--you want me to change how i address you? shit like this is a guaranteed way to ensure that will never happen, so choose your words carefully)

also i'm not bothering with proper capitalization and whatnot because the more i listen to you speak the less effort i feel like putting forth in arguing with you, so keep your grammar nazi rhetoric to yourself this time please

Well, first of all, do I know that you have Jew in your family? No. Also, I said you're Nazi-like according to fascist thought of themselve's ideaological superiority above other people, not directly pointing Nazis.



So, yes. My thought of you, not only it didn't change, it just worsen. I feel sorry for the wasted time.

Also, do you think anyone else cares about our little mudfight? And stop putting waahs in front of everything. That is very irritating, also very insulting to me.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 03:19:23 PM
>waah you're graham

I am 100% fine with this, Graham is an interesting character and I've already portrayed him in the past. I thank you for the compliment, but you're not the one!

>waah nobody else cares

Tell that to the others who've weighed in on other threads. I'm sure they enjoy being called nobody.

>waah you have a nazi ideology

No, calling you an idiot is just that. Dunno where you're getting this "you calling me an idiot means you look down on me or think yourself superior to others." I just think you're an idiot with shitty opinions. Ain't that complicated.

>waah i don't like cursing and that's my opinion

See above about me not having any obligation to cater to your opinions. Deal with it. It's not like I'm telling or asking you to cater to my opinions and stop acting like an idiot--all I've been doing is letting you know that that would be a good step in getting me to talk to you in a manner you more prefer. Hell, I'm not even going off on tangents demeaning your integrity by telling you you need "manners"--just that I think you're an idiot and you should act less like you have been if you want me to change my outlook. My end of things is very, very simple--it's you who's blowing things bigger than they need to be. Worst member of the boards because I say fuck and call you an idiot? You've not been here very long. I'd wager Esco's more fitting for that title.

>waah i haven't been playing the victim

Yes, you have. Whether you admit to it or not makes not difference to the reality of the situation. Demonizing and villifying me like some sort of cruel evil bully for calling you an idiot and saying your opinions are fucking stupid is really just playing the victim from another angle--it still paints me as the bad guy and you as the poor innocent soul falling prey to my dubious machinations. Whether you call a fried potato a fry or a chip, it's still a fried potato.

>waah you're the one who drove me brainless

I'm tempted to say you were brainless already, but that would be in poor form even by my standards and in consideration of our current standing (would you look at that, here I am relenting on a knee-jerk response with great ironic timing because I don't think it's appropriate given the context--for someone who never respects or considers your side of things that's an awfully strange thing for me to do!). But I will confess the temptation was there, if only for a moment. Besides that, if a few choice swears and (let's be honest here) very tame and minor insults on the internet is enough to drive you "brainless," then I can't really see how the fault's mine there. I'm not gonna be a complete bastard and just say "grow thicker skin," but "fucking idiot" is hardly the worst thing to call somebody so if even something that tame is enough to set you over the edge, then perhaps you need to look a little harder at yourself before trying to put me under the microscope.

>waah you started it

What, by saying inserting historically-inaccurate Yu-Gi-Oh characters into a completely different series and story was fucking stupid? It is fucking stupid, man! It doesn't matter how much you love or hate Astarte, she still has more contextual relevance to the area of the game she's in than made-up monster gods with very loose ties to actual mythology at best. Calling your idea stupid isn't "starting" something, it's an expression of opinion just like what you keep crying about. You were the one who lost your shit after I took a few jabs at it--I would've had no problems taking the piss out of it a couple times for fun's sake (after all, poking a bit of fun's not inherently bad in all cases, and it's good to be able to laugh at oneself or just plain not take everything seriously all the time) and leaving it at that, but you were the one who had to get all up in arms that I dared to crack a joke or two about your precious opinion. And as anyone on this board who's frequented it the last couple of years can attest, I don't tend to shy away from confrontations, so me dishing it out right back when you got your pants in a twist is really just another day for me. I'm not a dick to everyone (in fact, I barely think I've been being a dick to you all this time--I've gone to far greater levels with far more people, so the only real caveat here is that you just seem to have thin skin for this kind of thing), and what I post is tantamount to whatever I'm posting in reply to. You post some shit, I'll give you hell for it. Just like I've been saying, you get what you give, although you obviously haven't paid attention to anything I've said that you can't twist back around on me.

>waah modern english isn't full of curses

You must not hang around most modern English speakers, then.

>waah you don't have to talk Shakespearean to do what I mean

Obviously. I was making a joke about how ridiculous your notion of how I should speak is.

>waah did you learn english playing GTA

No, I learned multiple forms of multiple languages from years of continuous research and study. Did you somehow imagine that swearing automatically detracts from one's overall intelligence and effective use of a given language? Because if you did, you are so laughably incorrect in that assumption I'm not even gonna really bother explaining why. Instead, I'll just say that usage and intent outweighs any individual occurrences of any particular word or phrase, and that me saying "fuck" a lot in no way signifies a detraction or even an accurate representation of my intelligence and/or understanding of the English language. Shitty attempt at an insult from you, is all this one is.

>waah you said i have an opinion but that i'm not auto-protected from consequences, but so are you waah!

No shit, Sherlock. I even said exactly that a little further down, if you'd bothered to actually fucking read for once and not skim over until you find something that hurts your feelings. I'll even quote it for you and make it nice and bold since you so clearly missed or ignored it the first time:

Quote
just as you have the right to any opinion and expression of it, so too do i, the only difference is i'm not bitching and moaning that you're being unfair and mean and rude and evil (only that you're dumb and that i think your opinions are dumb), because i accept the consequences of what thoughts i choose to publicly express

Better luck next time on trying to twist that one back around on me.

>waah just because you think i'm dumb means you still have to treat me as a human being

Uh, I have been? Last I looked, I haven't demeaned your humanity or done anything like call for your silencing or execution or whatever like you might seen on /b/ or reddit. I've called you a fucking idiot and took a few jabs at some of your opinions. If that equates in your mind to being demeaned as a person, then you have some serious mental problems you need to work on, because that's not what that means at all.

>waah you just wanna feel superior and society doesn't allow that

Don't know where the hell you pulled this one from either, but me calling you stupid doesn't equate to me saying I'm infinitely superior to you or anything. It means I think you're stupid. Nothing more, nothing less. I'll be the first to admit I can be a smug cocky arrogant bastard at times, but this is not one of those times and those times still don't extend to a superiority complex like you're accusing me of.

>waah you just make me dumb with zombie intelligence

Uh, no? Just because I think you're an idiot in how you compose arguments and that some of your opinions feel really stupid to me doesn't mean I think you're utterly without a mind or intellect, let alone that of a zombie. Aspects of yourself outside of this argument do not concern me--only what is relevant is what I will scrutinize. My best friends say stupid shit sometimes and I call them on it, and they do the same to me. Doesn't mean we view each other as subhuman or lesser than each other, or that we can't remain friendly human beings otherwise. Sometimes people get along, sometimes they don't, the two are not mutually exclusive. I can think you're an idiot in arguments with some stupid opinions and still value your worth as a person--I don't understand why this seems to be impossible for you to comprehend.

>waah i did put forth a serious argument but you smashed it right off the bat

No, that particular argument was why Yu-Gi-Oh godbeasts are better Egyptian bosses than Astarte, and I ripped that argument apart straight out of the gate with facts and details as to why it was wrong--and it was, indeed, wrong. I even said then you didn't have to like or even accept Astarte as a character, but that your opinion didn't change the fact that she has more roots in Egyptian mythology than primary-color monstergods. If you present an argument I can disprove factually, then I will do so immediately because I don't believe in wasting time in a serious debate or argument. That's what happened then.

>waah stop saying waah

All you're doing at this point is whining because things aren't going your way. Your "arguments" hold no weight since almost all of them contain concepts and stipulations I myself already have admitted and conceded to, thus rendering your usage of them as valid counters useless. Since you're essentially just posting redundancies at this point in an attempt to win the argument, and not bringing anything new or solid to the table, I see no reason not to view your current arc as anything but petulant whining. And since that's more or less what it is, I'm going to acknowledge that facet until I see otherwise. Sorry if you don't like it, though. Doing it to illustrate a point, rather than deliberately piss you off. Pissing you off just happens to be a side effect of illustrating that point, but I'm okay with that consequence and will face it accordingly.

>waah my opinion of you didn't change it only worsened

I really don't care much what you think of me. Your attacks on my integrity and character piss me off, but less because I feel offended by them and more because they're completely unwarranted as retorts to the kinds of things I've been presenting instead. I'm not going to lose any sleep tonight because you suddenly think less of me. As I've said repeatedly, you have thus far not earned enough of my respect to concede more to your whims, so what would make you think your opinion of me as a person matters all that much? All the attacks on my character I already know to be unfounded in this situation, if not outright false, and there's really no barb to how I react to things you can throw that I won't freely admit to. Here, I'll even make it easy for you now:

I can, at times, be a selfish, arrogant, cocky, narcissistic, crass, rude, argumentative asshole.

But I know this, and don't make any attempts to hide or deny it. Most of the time, I'll be an ass about something and reread it two days later and go "ah, man, I sure went a bit overboard there," oftentimes following with some form of apology. You're not gonna ever make me feel bad by calling me names like this, because I accept them as part of who I am anyway. Only reason it's pissed me off is that they're baseless ad hominem attacks, and that they hyperbolize what I already know and admit to be true--if you stole a loaf of bread, it would be frustrating to be accused with stealing an entire family's food and leaving them starving. Such is the case here. I can be a total ass at times, yes, but it's not nearly anything on par with the bullshit you've been spewing and accusing me of.

>waah how was i supposed to know your heritage

You weren't. It's called not just firing out insults and accusations wildly and suddenly being surprised after the fact when you hit an unintended target from carelessly shooting in all directions.

>waah i meant fascist ideology not the actual nazis

No, son, you explicitly said "Nazi." You don't get to pussyfoot your way out of this one. You put me on-par with the Nazis and you should be fucking ashamed for doing it. My thoughts on you in the context of an internet argument do not equate to my thoughts on you as a person or the human society as a whole. And on this particular note? I will let a bit more loose, and I don't wanna hear a fucking peep from you about how rude and mean it is, because frankly you compared a random dude on the internet calling you an idiot with the entirety of Nazi/fascist ideology and everything it has done.

Fuck you, C4. Fuck you and your shameful and disgusting comparison with a cactus wrapped in razor wire.

Now that that's out of the way...

>waah i have a monster out you can't attack my life points directly
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Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 16, 2017, 06:15:06 PM
Quote from: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
Bad comparison, get a better argument.

"Ten years and fans still are mad the designs are dumb, that means the fans are dumb because focusing on that thing means they cannot possibly have other reasons!"

That's exactly the problem, the only reason against a Judgement 2 i always see brought up is "HUR DURR THE FIRST ONE HAD UGLY DESIGNS". Nothing about gameplay, nothing about how potentially make improvements, just the same aforementioned character design whining you have thrown since the first pics were released in 2008.

If a second game got ever made, the characters could get new designs, closer to their oroginal iterations, but you people seem absolutely unable to grasp the idea
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 16, 2017, 06:29:15 PM
There's nothing to say about the game design because the game design is just uninteresting. It didn't do anything amazing, but also didn't do anything awful either. There's nothing to "suggest" as an improvement because there's nothing so inherently flawed with the system so as to elicit suggestions. Or perhaps it just seems like coming up with ideas for something that doesn't really do much of anything interesting or unique seems like a waste of time, since a boring base is about as useful as a blank slate.

The art direction, meanwhile, is visibly controversial and thus gives people something to talk about. And talk about it we have. For a long time. Because it's big and glaring and the first thing everyone sees. It doesn't mean that's our only thoughts on the matter or that we're incapable of recognizing others.

"Not being able to grasp it" has literally nothing to do with it. There's nothing to suggest for something that just manages to get by without being too good or too bad either way. You'll notice I specifically said "if it kept the original's art and aesthetic style, then I'd probably not be interested if they made a second one"--didn't say a thing about whether I considered a sequel impossible to improve or even anything about the gameplay.

Art style's offputting enough to break my suspension of disbelief, ergo I'd have no interest in playing another that did the same. Gameplay has nothing to do with it, because the gameplay plays it safe the entire time and breaks neither ground nor rules.

We're allowed to hate the original for only introducing something innovative in the art direction, and failing at it. New one could be great and fix everything, but that doesn't mean fans would just drop everything and instantly forget their prior misgivings and love and praise and cherish it.

Stop throwing around accusations of us being "unable" to understand the idea of a sequel fixing errors in previous titles. We're all well familiar with the concept. Some of us just don't have a lot of faith in that happening anytime soon, is all. It's not like Konami's given any indication such a thing would happen.

Personally I'd love for Netherrealm (almost typed Midway, lol, shows my age) or even the Blazblue or KI teams to get ahold of the IP and give it a shot. But I have low hopes for Konami handing it off like that.

The thread asks a yes or no question. Answering "no" to that question does not make anyone here stubborn or "blind" to what you're suggesting.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Belmontoya on February 16, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
I'd rather have something different.

Castlevania Party game. Or a Mario kart style horse racing game or something.

I dunno.

A Castlevania character cameo in an already good fighter would be cool.

But how about just a new Castlevania game first eh?
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: X on February 16, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
If Castlevania is to be another fighter game then I say leave Judgement behind and start anew. And have absolutely none of what was in Judgement carry over. New game, new story, better character designs, etc.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: GuyStarwind on February 17, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
I'd be down for a sequel. I agree the art is what threw the game off. It's certainly not bad art but not the CV feel we know and love. I'd only add in a few new things like maybe up to 4 players can play or maybe not have the 3D style of fighting and just the 2D style.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 17, 2017, 02:10:50 AM
Quote from: X on February 16, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
If Castlevania is to be another fighter game then I say leave Judgement behind and start anew. And have absolutely none of what was in Judgement carry over. New game, new story, better character designs, etc.

I agree with this^^^

I would much rather them start from scratch than to ever try to make a Judgement 2, if there is anything Serio's CV fighter hack has shown me it is that there is serious potential in a CV fighter game done RIGHT.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 17, 2017, 08:43:56 AM
>you're graham

I am 100% fine with this, Graham is an interesting character and I've already portrayed him in the past. I thank you for the compliment, but you're not the one!

Yes. Did I now prove that I can compliment to someone?

>nobody else cares

Tell that to the others who've weighed in on other threads. I'm sure they enjoy being called nobody.

Just admit it. Nobody cares. This was a gesture of seizing fire. But now that you take it as an offense, I now believe that you think every word out of my mouth is a insult.

>you have a nazi ideology

No, calling you an idiot is just that. Dunno where you're getting this "you calling me an idiot means you look down on me or think yourself superior to others." I just think you're an idiot with shitty opinions. Ain't that complicated.

Yes, you do. Thinking that you think everyone who doesn't agree with you, it's very Nazi-like. Selfish and arrogant. Very sorry, but just admit it, man.

>waah i don't like cursing and that's my opinion

See above about me not having any obligation to cater to your opinions. Deal with it. It's not like I'm telling or asking you to cater to my opinions and stop acting like an idiot--all I've been doing is letting you know that that would be a good step in getting me to talk to you in a manner you more prefer. Hell, I'm not even going off on tangents demeaning your integrity by telling you you need "manners"--just that I think you're an idiot and you should act less like you have been if you want me to change my outlook. My end of things is very, very simple--it's you who's blowing things bigger than they need to be. Worst member of the boards because I say fuck and call you an idiot? You've not been here very long. I'd wager Esco's more fitting for that title.

I'll let Kaiba to rebut.
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>i haven't been playing the victim

Yes, you have. Whether you admit to it or not makes not difference to the reality of the situation. Demonizing and villifying me like some sort of cruel evil bully for calling you an idiot and saying your opinions are fucking stupid is really just playing the victim from another angle--it still paints me as the bad guy and you as the poor innocent soul falling prey to my dubious machinations. Whether you call a fried potato a fry or a chip, it's still a fried potato.

I said, I did not! That's the instance that you think your thought is always just and everything else is wrong and worthless. Also, why do you think you did not demonize me? How many times did you include 'Brainless' or 'Idiot' in this mudfight?

>you're the one who drove me brainless

I'm tempted to say you were brainless already, but that would be in poor form even by my standards and in consideration of our current standing (would you look at that, here I am relenting on a knee-jerk response with great ironic timing because I don't think it's appropriate given the context--for someone who never respects or considers your side of things that's an awfully strange thing for me to do!). But I will confess the temptation was there, if only for a moment. Besides that, if a few choice swears and (let's be honest here) very tame and minor insults on the internet is enough to drive you "brainless," then I can't really see how the fault's mine there. I'm not gonna be a complete bastard and just say "grow thicker skin," but "fucking idiot" is hardly the worst thing to call somebody so if even something that tame is enough to set you over the edge, then perhaps you need to look a little harder at yourself before trying to put me under the microscope.

>you started it

What, by saying inserting historically-inaccurate Yu-Gi-Oh characters into a completely different series and story was fucking stupid? It is fucking stupid, man! It doesn't matter how much you love or hate Astarte, she still has more contextual relevance to the area of the game she's in than made-up monster gods with very loose ties to actual mythology at best. Calling your idea stupid isn't "starting" something, it's an expression of opinion just like what you keep crying about. You were the one who lost your shit after I took a few jabs at it--I would've had no problems taking the piss out of it a couple times for fun's sake (after all, poking a bit of fun's not inherently bad in all cases, and it's good to be able to laugh at oneself or just plain not take everything seriously all the time) and leaving it at that, but you were the one who had to get all up in arms that I dared to crack a joke or two about your precious opinion. And as anyone on this board who's frequented it the last couple of years can attest, I don't tend to shy away from confrontations, so me dishing it out right back when you got your pants in a twist is really just another day for me. I'm not a dick to everyone (in fact, I barely think I've been being a dick to you all this time--I've gone to far greater levels with far more people, so the only real caveat here is that you just seem to have thin skin for this kind of thing), and what I post is tantamount to whatever I'm posting in reply to. You post some shit, I'll give you hell for it. Just like I've been saying, you get what you give, although you obviously haven't paid attention to anything I've said that you can't twist back around on me.

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Yes you did. I was more then happy to have a gentle debate, not a mudfight. Don't believe me? Tuff luck! I lost my intention to have a good debate once you started bombarding curses.

>modern english isn't full of curses

You must not hang around most modern English speakers, then.

Well, go to dictionary or thesaurus and actually think before posting an argument. Also, excuse me? I hang around with english speakers every day!

>you don't have to talk Shakespearean to do what I mean

Obviously. I was making a joke about how ridiculous your notion of how I should speak is.

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I will agree to your 'joke'. Satisfied?

>did you learn english playing GTA

No, I learned multiple forms of multiple languages from years of continuous research and study. Did you somehow imagine that swearing automatically detracts from one's overall intelligence and effective use of a given language? Because if you did, you are so laughably incorrect in that assumption I'm not even gonna really bother explaining why. Instead, I'll just say that usage and intent outweighs any individual occurrences of any particular word or phrase, and that me saying "fuck" a lot in no way signifies a detraction or even an accurate representation of my intelligence and/or understanding of the English language. Shitty attempt at an insult from you, is all this one is.

Well, then you really should know that English is not all about insult and curses.

>you said i have an opinion but that i'm not auto-protected from consequences, but so are you!

No shit, Sherlock. I even said exactly that a little further down, if you'd bothered to actually fucking read for once and not skim over until you find something that hurts your feelings. I'll even quote it for you and make it nice and bold since you so clearly missed or ignored it the first time:

Better luck next time on trying to twist that one back around on me.

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For normal unread post look-through, yes. For such hated debate as this, I would read over and over until I can get points where I can really smash.

>just because you think i'm dumb means you still have to treat me as a human being

Uh, I have been? Last I looked, I haven't demeaned your humanity or done anything like call for your silencing or execution or whatever like you might seen on /b/ or reddit. I've called you a fucking idiot and took a few jabs at some of your opinions. If that equates in your mind to being demeaned as a person, then you have some serious mental problems you need to work on, because that's not what that means at all.

But... Your speech is more the less how people speaks with inferior people (or a very close person but it is not the case). You should really be careful of word choices, especially with someone unknown.

>you just wanna feel superior and society doesn't allow that

Don't know where the hell you pulled this one from either, but me calling you stupid doesn't equate to me saying I'm infinitely superior to you or anything. It means I think you're stupid. Nothing more, nothing less. I'll be the first to admit I can be a smug cocky arrogant bastard at times, but this is not one of those times and those times still don't extend to a superiority complex like you're accusing me of.

So do I.
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>you just make me dumb with zombie intelligence

Uh, no? Just because I think you're an idiot in how you compose arguments and that some of your opinions feel really stupid to me doesn't mean I think you're utterly without a mind or intellect, let alone that of a zombie. Aspects of yourself outside of this argument do not concern me--only what is relevant is what I will scrutinize. My best friends say stupid shit sometimes and I call them on it, and they do the same to me. Doesn't mean we view each other as subhuman or lesser than each other, or that we can't remain friendly human beings otherwise. Sometimes people get along, sometimes they don't, the two are not mutually exclusive. I can think you're an idiot in arguments with some stupid opinions and still value your worth as a person--I don't understand why this seems to be impossible for you to comprehend.

Well, I felt like that and you should be aware of that your phrases could end up in a conclusion like these. Internet's not a place for you to just troll and curse to someone.

>I did put forth a serious argument but you smashed it right off the bat

No, that particular argument was why Yu-Gi-Oh godbeasts are better Egyptian bosses than Astarte, and I ripped that argument apart straight out of the gate with facts and details as to why it was wrong--and it was, indeed, wrong. I even said then you didn't have to like or even accept Astarte as a character, but that your opinion didn't change the fact that she has more roots in Egyptian mythology than primary-color monstergods. If you present an argument I can disprove factually, then I will do so immediately because I don't believe in wasting time in a serious debate or argument. That's what happened then.

First of all, you did not smashed it right off the bat. Also, you did factually rebut anything apart from anything to do with grammar.

>stop saying [censored]

All you're doing at this point is whining because things aren't going your way. Your "arguments" hold no weight since almost all of them contain concepts and stipulations I myself already have admitted and conceded to, thus rendering your usage of them as valid counters useless. Since you're essentially just posting redundancies at this point in an attempt to win the argument, and not bringing anything new or solid to the table, I see no reason not to view your current arc as anything but petulant whining. And since that's more or less what it is, I'm going to acknowledge that facet until I see otherwise. Sorry if you don't like it, though. Doing it to illustrate a point, rather than deliberately piss you off. Pissing you off just happens to be a side effect of illustrating that point, but I'm okay with that consequence and will face it accordingly.

Still, not a nice gesture, and not a appropriate behavior for a mature human isn't it? Waah's like a kindergartner's word in a childish argument.

>my opinion of you didn't change it only worsened

I really don't care much what you think of me. Your attacks on my integrity and character piss me off, but less because I feel offended by them and more because they're completely unwarranted as retorts to the kinds of things I've been presenting instead. I'm not going to lose any sleep tonight because you suddenly think less of me. As I've said repeatedly, you have thus far not earned enough of my respect to concede more to your whims, so what would make you think your opinion of me as a person matters all that much? All the attacks on my character I already know to be unfounded in this situation, if not outright false, and there's really no barb to how I react to things you can throw that I won't freely admit to. Here, I'll even make it easy for you now:

I can, at times, be a selfish, arrogant, cocky, narcissistic, crass, rude, argumentative asshole.

But I know this, and don't make any attempts to hide or deny it. Most of the time, I'll be an ass about something and reread it two days later and go "ah, man, I sure went a bit overboard there," oftentimes following with some form of apology. You're not gonna ever make me feel bad by calling me names like this, because I accept them as part of who I am anyway. Only reason it's pissed me off is that they're baseless ad hominem attacks, and that they hyperbolize what I already know and admit to be true--if you stole a loaf of bread, it would be frustrating to be accused with stealing an entire family's food and leaving them starving. Such is the case here. I can be a total ass at times, yes, but it's not nearly anything on par with the bullshit you've been spewing and accusing me of.

That happens, but its not the case here, you did not hold back your words in any instance. Also, I said that I might be an total psycho in your opinion, but you did not accept it and continued, Didn't you? Nice try. I never thought that you can say that way.

>how was i supposed to know your heritage

You weren't. It's called not just firing out insults and accusations wildly and suddenly being surprised after the fact when you hit an unintended target from carelessly shooting in all directions.

>I meant fascist ideology not the actual nazis

No, son, you explicitly said "Nazi." You don't get to pussyfoot your way out of this one. You put me on-par with the Nazis and you should be fucking ashamed for doing it. My thoughts on you in the context of an internet argument do not equate to my thoughts on you as a person or the human society as a whole. And on this particular note? I will let a bit more loose, and I don't wanna hear a fucking peep from you about how rude and mean it is, because frankly you compared a random dude on the internet calling you an idiot with the entirety of Nazi/fascist ideology and everything it has done.

Fuck you, C4. Fuck you and your shameful and disgusting comparison with a cactus wrapped in razor wire.

You now just obsoleted your argument two spaces above. Also, I'm saying that you're ideology is based on selfishness and self-righteous, not that you commited mass murder. Also, I'm not saying that you are neo-nazi or something, but I am telling that you have the ideology like them.
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Now that that's out of the way...

>I have a monster out you can't attack my life points directly
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Know the rules, Dammit! They are called "Effect Monsters" and they are the exception of the default rule. The default rule is "you cannot attack opponent directly if there is a monster in the opponent's monster zone". There are bunch of rule exception in Yu-Gi-Oh! What' I'm referring to is the base rule, not exceptions.
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Also, I cannot bother rebutting about this little nitpickings anymore. Bring up arguments about Judgment 2, Nazi in PoR, or the whole damn sexualization issue.

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Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 17, 2017, 09:23:02 AM
explain how yugi's hair works and i'll forgive everything
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: chainsawmidget on February 17, 2017, 09:37:11 AM
Girls, please.  You're both pretty. 
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 17, 2017, 09:40:22 AM
i'm prettier thank u berry mush
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 17, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Dracula9 on February 17, 2017, 09:23:02 AM
explain how yugi's hair works and i'll forgive everything

Well, Mutou Sugoroku has the same hair style as Yugi, so it is a family heritage. Also, he had blonde hair when he was young, solving color issue as Yugi's mother had red hair when she briefly appeared. Black hair must be from his Grandma (Sugoroku's wife). Also, Paraoh Atem had the same hairstyle even before chemical cosmetics were invented. So in the world of Yu-Gi-Oh, it is possible to have those crazy hair. Also, his hairstyle can be relatively normal, just elaborated for visual effect.

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But why are we talking Yu-Gi-Oh on a CV forum?

Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on February 17, 2017, 10:23:10 AM
This back-and-forth has been quite interesting.

The forums are the real fighting game.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 17, 2017, 11:08:29 AM
You know it.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 18, 2017, 04:59:01 AM
When this got sidetracked to Yu-Gi-Oh. I was laughing....

Quote from: superc4 on February 17, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
But why are we talking Yu-Gi-Oh on a CV forum?

There are some people here who play that.

Quote from: Bloo on February 17, 2017, 10:23:10 AM
This back-and-forth has been quite interesting.

The forums are the real fighting game.

Yup! But I think it is best that the banter stop already.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: suomynona on February 18, 2017, 05:37:45 AM
Quote from: Shiroi Koumori on February 18, 2017, 04:59:01 AM
When this got sidetracked to Yu-Gi-Oh. I was laughing....

There are some people here who play that.

Yup! But I think it is best that the banter stop already.

OK. Quick question. What is your opinion on changing Astarte from PoR with Eqyptian god Monsters (Osiris, Obelisk and Ra) from Yu-Gi-Oh?

Also, there is a entire forum for non-Castlevania talk so I'd rather go ant talk Yu-Gi-Oh there.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 18, 2017, 07:27:02 AM
I actually didn't mind Astarte in PoR. She's a sexy warrior goddess.
But if you want to change it to the YuGiOh god monsters, it's fine.
Again, I'm indifferent.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: chainsawmidget on February 18, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
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OK. Quick question. What is your opinion on changing Astarte from PoR with Eqyptian god Monsters (Osiris, Obelisk and Ra) from Yu-Gi-Oh?
Completely unnecessary, but they've came up with worse ideas. 

Astarte isn't the best boss creature they've ever came up with, but there's nothing horrible about her either. 

if the people working on Castlevania decided to put a YugiOh monster in the game as a boss, I wouldn't care much about that either one way or another. 

However if you're going to talk about replacing a boss with something, there are far better places to find monsters than Yugioh.  I'm still dyinng for a pumpkin tossing headless horseman boss myself. 
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: X on February 19, 2017, 05:18:09 PM
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I'm still dyinng for a pumpkin tossing headless horseman boss myself.

That would be boss!
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Belmont Stakes on February 22, 2017, 11:44:20 PM
I havent played the first CVJ, even so given the flack its received I say yes. But make it a quality 2D fighter or a really good 3D title. Given the fact that fighting games are glorified CV boss fights its only right CV a excellent fighting
game in the lineup.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Belmont Stakes on February 22, 2017, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: X on February 19, 2017, 05:18:09 PM
That would be boss!

Make it one of the four horseman.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: X on February 23, 2017, 12:38:04 AM
Well the four horsemen are Death, War, Pestilence, and Famine (you could have a CV gauntlet of these four like the three combatants in SCV4). The headless horseman is a Hessian mercenary whom lost his head due to canon fire in the revolutionary war. Maybe he'd be haunting a cemetery or something still trying to find his head.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 23, 2017, 02:13:48 AM
Maybe Heady got into a high-stakes Undead Horseman poker game and one of the Four lost his seat in a bet?
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 23, 2017, 03:47:25 AM
Maybe he was one of the mob, but felt bad for his horse so he put his own head in someone's bed.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: X on February 23, 2017, 03:30:47 PM
LOL! There's no way Daredevil (the Hessian's horse) would even remotely allow the mafia to take his head...without paying for it. And I'm sure the cost is quite high, even for the mob.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: Dracula9 on February 23, 2017, 04:13:12 PM
I think he meant this:

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Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: X on February 23, 2017, 11:37:13 PM
Yeah, i knew what he meant too. Ugh  :P  poor horse.
Title: Re: Would you like a Judgement 2?
Post by: chainsawmidget on February 24, 2017, 05:07:19 AM
Quote from: Belmont Stakes on February 22, 2017, 11:46:16 PM
Make it one of the four horseman.
In the Sleepy Hollow TV series (which i really like) the headless Horseman IS one of the four horsemen.