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Title: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: theplottwist on July 12, 2017, 12:51:40 PM
So, after I watched the animation, I was left with a bit of a bad taste on my mouth regarding the prophecy, because Alucard says he needs "a Hunter and a Scholar" to defeat Dracula. The fact it apparently is based on a vision from the future pretty much would kill Grant as one of the final four warriors... Except that, the part of there being a "sleeping soldier under the town for hundreds of years" IS part of the Speaker prophecy. This last part, of the time frame, came off as strange to me because it adds literally nothing to the story...

...Then, after a friend pointed out, I noticed that this prophecy may not be talking of Sypha and Trevor at all, but actually of Maria and Master Librarian. A Hunter and a Scholar who DID in fact help Alucard reach and defeat Dracula after he had slept for hundreds of years.

What do you think?

I have another: As the Bishop of Gresit was the antagonist for the first season, I think Grant will be the antagonist for the first part of the second season.

Do you guys have any theories about where the plot is heading now?
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 01:21:51 PM
I have to admit that that had seemed a bit odd to me as well.  Also, I found it a little strange on the choice of wording, calling Alucard a soldier.  Good theory, Plot! :D
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Chernabogue on July 12, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
After all, Grant was a boss in the original game, so he could be an antagonist in the series at first.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: theplottwist on July 12, 2017, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: Chernabogue on July 12, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
After all, Grant was a boss in the original game, so he could be an antagonist in the series at first.

Yeah well, I didn't meant it as "Grant is a monster, defeat him". I meant as him activelly going the distance to ignore, disrupt or command people to fight Trevor and Co. out of his own will. I should have clarified that better :P

Reminds me of a certain soldier...
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Lelygax on July 12, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
While this must sound strange at first, what if we mix your 2 theories into 1? What if the sleeping soldier is Grant transformed a hundred years ago into a monster?
Dracula says to Lisa that he stopped impaling people and putting them on his yard a long time ago, so maybe Grant and his family had a battle with him before and he was transformed and put to guard some place? (I really doubt they thought something like what we are suggesting in this thread, but its funny anyway).

I was thinking about something else also: Death.

After seeing one of the priests having a similar appearance to Zead, I started thinking: What if Death is involved in the church being corrupt? Since this animation is taking a lot of liberties and Death isn't shown yet, I can't ignore this possibility. This would make Death, desiring for a master, make Lisa be killed so Dracula would do what he have done.

They don't seem to be following Lament of Innocence (I would need to re-watch it to be sure) so... maybe?
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Dracula9 on July 12, 2017, 03:12:28 PM
The soldier referring to Grant would be interesting.

Especially since Grant WAS an actual soldier, or at least enough of a rebel guerrilla to be considered as one.

And the original game even clarifies that Grant seemed to be self-aware during his transformed state, lending a bit of credence to the idea that he (or his true consciousness) is "sleeping" inside his beastly form.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
I'd also wondered as much as well about whether what if Grant was the sleeping sodier, rather than Alucard.  It could make a lot of sense in some ways, as having Al be the soldier just feels... off.  He's a warrior, a vampire knight, soldier almost sounds too... lowly for him, and the timing for the sleeping soldier myth, if it's been old wisdom to the people of Gresit for a while, just doesn't quite work, even with the prophecy from the future given to the Speakers, unless they've been around for a long time.  It's almost self fulfilling prophecy otherwise in a way.

  I'd also spotted the priest that looks like Zead.  I'd wondered for a short time whether the Archbishop was Death, considering how long and clawlike his nails were, so like Dracula's.  There was something grotesque about him, the way his eyes were small and beady.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Dracula9 on July 12, 2017, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
I'd wondered for a short time whether the Archbishop was Death, considering how long and clawlike his nails were, so like Dracula's.  There was something grotesque about him, the way his eyes were small and beady.

Think that was just a representation of pure decadence and opulence to their disgusting extreme.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: theplottwist on July 12, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
Damn, imagine if Grant sweeps down on a grand entrance to save everyone from Dracula at the last minute, getting turned into a monster for it but managing to rescue Trevor and Co.

That would be so sweet.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Lelygax on July 12, 2017, 05:42:20 PM
Grant needs more love, even Pachislot portrayed him using a NES sprites instead of a proper 3D model (its hilarious but lazy and wrong)
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: TheTextGuy on July 12, 2017, 06:12:41 PM
Quote from: Lelygax on July 12, 2017, 05:42:20 PM
Grant needs more love, even Pachislot portrayed him using a NES sprites instead of a proper 3D model (its hilarious but lazy and wrong)

I second this!  Also, Mirror of Fate just regulated him to a dead nobody holding a scroll.  Also Judgement made him into a mummy for some reason, and that was questionable.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: EstebanT on July 12, 2017, 06:26:09 PM
Even his Julius Mode counterpart was missing
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 12, 2017, 07:55:52 PM
You're not taking the Grant thing far enough.  Grant could be leading men in his own fight against Dracula.  Similarly to the church, he could think Trevor and co. are part of the problem, and while maybe not outright hunting them, clashes with them when they meet, and makes it a point to take them down should they cross paths again  That is of course until Grant is turned into a beast, and saved by the trio, at which point he realizes his folly and joins them.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 12, 2017, 09:09:03 PM
I want to see Grant in season 2.
But if I'm not mistaken, the script writer didn't like him?
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Aiddon on July 12, 2017, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: Shiroi Koumori on July 12, 2017, 09:09:03 PM
I want to see Grant in season 2.
But if I'm not mistaken, the script writer didn't like him?

From what I understand Ellis had to cut him due to time and not wanting to add bloat. I know in one draft (when the project was a trilogy) he would not show up in the first film, but the followup.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Mystic Myotis on July 13, 2017, 12:25:03 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the characters find Grant in the castle, actually, though they could go any # of ways with the show to include Grant and I think it would be a mistake to not do so.  I'd make roughly the same estimation regarding Death.  I'd be rather shocked if either of these were not included.

Tbh, I'm more curious about whether or not we will see any of the Curse of Darkness or Nocturne of Recollection characters.  Those seem like far greater stretches, but I couldn't help but notice the small white flowers in the show (I only noticed them in one shot particularly, but my little sister said she saw them at Lisa's house; I need to re-watch the first episode to see if that's true).  I don't know if it was intentional or not, but they reminded me of the radio drama, and the prophecies from the future are obvious references to Saint Germain and his kind, so it's not unthinkable that there might be more references to these in the series... actually, let me check and see right now. Edit: I don't see anything like them in the first episode, but about 6 minutes into the second episode, Trevor steps by these little white flowers:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/681abb4f58454ff0b53b0ad5b87bcdfb/tumblr_ot0qmwChvD1tl3y3go1_1280.jpg
It's probably just a coincidence, but worth mentioning.

Edit2: Forgot to mention.  The old woman puts white lilies at Lisa's house.  Mina holds a white lily in one of the artworks for Aria of Sorrow:
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/8/87/AriaArtwork.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20080227220819
Edit3: The flowers in the show look a lot like the ones on this piece for Lament of Innocence:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a2/b5/d2/a2b5d238e5184ad9b8d298b384c00f1f.jpg
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Nagumo on July 13, 2017, 01:28:25 AM
The script for this series was written 2007. This would be a year before the radio drama was released. This makes me doubt there was any intentional connection between the two.

My theory is that the line about Trevor's great-grandfather having entered Dracula's castle is going factor into the relation between the Belmonts and Dracula somehow. I think Ellis is going to use this original backstory in favor of LoI and nothing from that game is goin to be referenced in the show.   
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: The Puritan on July 13, 2017, 01:31:40 AM
Maybe Grant is a temporal wildcard of sorts. The reason he's not in the prophecy is because his joining the other three wasn't foreseen. That, or he actually gave his life to help defeat Dracula and his contribution went somehow unnoticed/unacknowledged after the battle.

It sucks, sure, but it can and does happen to heroes.

Quote from: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
I'd also wondered as much as well about whether what if Grant was the sleeping sodier, rather than Alucard.  It could make a lot of sense in some ways, as having Al be the soldier just feels... off.  He's a warrior, a vampire knight, soldier almost sounds too... lowly for him

Agreed. "The Prince" or something like that would've been a better title for Alucard.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Shinobi on July 13, 2017, 04:48:59 AM
Quote from: The Puritan on July 13, 2017, 01:31:40 AM
Maybe Grant is a temporal wildcard of sorts. The reason he's not in the prophecy is because his joining the other three wasn't foreseen. That, or he actually gave his life to help defeat Dracula and his contribution went somehow unnoticed/unacknowledged after the battle.

Grant confirmed as Solid Snake's ancestor. like Grant, Solid Snake was not part of S3 plan scripted by The Patriots in MGS2 but he showed up, a man who can defy fate  :P
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Dracula9 on July 13, 2017, 04:52:13 AM
Quote from: Shinobi on July 13, 2017, 04:48:59 AM
Grant confirmed as Solid Snake's ancestor. like Grant, Solid Snake was not part of S3 plan scripted by The Patriots in MGS2 but he showed up  :P

*B3 Plan (Belmont Badassery Bluebook)
*scripted by The Church™
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Guy Belmont on July 16, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
Quote from: theplottwist on July 12, 2017, 12:51:40 PM
...Then, after a friend pointed out, I noticed that this prophecy may not be talking of Sypha and Trevor at all, but actually of Maria and Master Librarian. A Hunter and a Scholar who DID in fact help Alucard reach and defeat Dracula after he had slept for hundreds of years.
As you both well know planet freedom is made up of two separate dimensions, the other world the one you live in is called the land of the sky.
Tell us something we Don't know!

But in all in all seriousness yeah I thought that's what they were hinting at. As soon as I heard it I was like
"ohhh for the love of"  so yeah I guessed that they were saying  "hey if this goes well after 2018 were going to do a SOTN tv show.
well that's the way I saw it anywho.

Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Super Waffle on July 16, 2017, 02:12:14 PM
More SotN era Maria would be neat.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: TheTextGuy on July 16, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: Guy Belmont on July 16, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
As you both well know planet freedom is made up of two separate dimensions, the other world the one you live in is called the land of the sky.
Tell us something we Don't know!

Oh boys a Sonic OVA reference!
(It's an adaptation I really like.  It's obviously a separate continuity, but the looks and especially much of the soundtrack is very reminiscent of the Genesis games.)

Anyways for some reason I didnt think of the prophecy like that until it was pointed out here.  Makes me wonder what a SoTN adaptation by the same team would be like...
Title: Re: Castlevania Animation Theories
Post by: Guy Belmont on July 16, 2017, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: TheTextGuy on July 16, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
Oh boys a Sonic OVA reference!
(It's an adaptation I really like.  It's obviously a separate continuity, but the looks and especially much of the soundtrack is very reminiscent of the Genesis games.)

OH MY GOD, sir  you

ROCK


its odd we both know of the OVA

its almost like

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