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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: elbryan42 on September 29, 2007, 08:17:56 PM
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So yeah, thought I'd bring this to anyone's attention who might be getting the PSP Slim to play your games on the TV. The games will only display through a component cable. There are RCA cables available but they're fucking useless. I just wasted my money. I hope others don't.
A question for Sony: WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU RELEASE SUCH A FUCKING FEATURE ON A GAMING SYSTEM AND ONLY HAVE A SMALL PART OF THE POPULATION BE ABLE TO USE IT WITH GAMES!?!?!? FUCKING RETARDS!
Playing your UMDs and surfing the net is great on the big screen, but how the hell am I going to split the PSP between the TV and computer to record my gaming vids?
Sony can take their non-gaming agenda and shove it far up their asses.
There, that's off of my chest.
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It is kinda lame, but I heard it's because the games already display in a type of progressive scan on the PSP, and the unit isn't programmed to downgrade to interlaced mode for games. So the cables just work with what the PSP's already designed to do.
The weird thing is that it can apparently display interlaced images when viewing photos...just not for games and movies. So it's not entirely incapable of downgrading from prog scan.
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They could at least make it clearly visible on the box.
A warning on the PSP box itself about needing a component cable for gaming (or at the very least a note about "video output cable not available", had to go back to the store).
Or on the package for the RCA cables on the front specifically stating "cannot be used for gaming". On the back it says (in fine print) something how some images might not be viewable, but wasn't specific at all.
Sony is playing dirty pool.
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In Reply To #4
I'm a little slow. What does this mean? You CAN play PSP games on your TV still, right? You just need special cables? Do you need a special TV too? What are the jacks for component cables like? Are they not RCA compatible at all?
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In Reply To #5
I'm guessing he has an older TV without the Component Cable input slots.
"MODERNIZE, MAN!" -Random 'Simpsons' guy-
Seriously, who doesn't have Component Cable input nowadays?
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I'm hearing a lot of problems about this at work.
Not only does your TV need component input, but your TV MUST be Progressive-Scan compatible.
If you don't have those two things, you can't output to TV.
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In Reply To #6
ME! But the TC is right. They should clearly print those things. Its like buying a prebuilt computer and then having to open up the case to see a sign saying.... "CPU not included" >.>
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My TV supports component cables, but after looking into it more, you also need a widescreen tv with progressive scan as well. Oh, and the PSP does work with the RCA cables for UMD movies. The only thing not compatible is games themselves.
Well, got a refund for my Slim. Thankfully I still have my old PSP.
Sony's alienating their fanbase. I'm not buying another Sony system. Not even for MGS4, unless the PS3s go down to clearance prices. They burned me bad. I was really looking forward to playing my PSP games (especially DXC) on my tv.
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In Reply To #9
By the sound of it, it seems to be a hardware constraint. It's not like this is some ploy by Sony to force people to buy bigger TVs. Not enough people are interested in this feature to warrant that. Boycotting Sony over this is going over the top.
I do agree though that this information should be shown clearly on the packaging though.
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It seems I'm lucky. All I need to do is buy the cables.
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so let me get understand this. The requirements to play games-only on the TV are a widescreen tv with progressive scan, and component(not to be confused with composite) cables? And the problem with RCA is...?
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In Reply To #13
That's right. I'm not sure about the widescreen requirement, as this is the first I heard about it. Apparently the problem with composite is that the PSP games only output in progressive scan, which composite cannot transmit.
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In Reply To #14
Thanks dood. If you need widescreen, that's lame.
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I can understand it being a hardware constraint. But why even include the feature when only a fraction of the users will be able to use it? And even then, why when you release it with the feature, with little to no documentation or warning in or on the package.
A very sloppy move by Sony. They should think more about their customers. The PS3 was a serious botch job and after this, I've really lost respect for the company.
I'm not particularly boycotting Sony, but I won't feel comfortable about purchasing anything from them (besides a few PSP games) for a very long time.
BTW, to clarify in one post. To play games on your TV you need:
-A PSP Slim System
-A component cable (not the RCA one)
-A widescreen, progressive scan TV
If you use an RCA cable on a regular, interlaced TV with the Slim, you can watch movies, view photos, surf the net, play music, etc. Everything BUT playing games.
The question is, are UMD movies progressive scan? Or are they downgraded for a regular interlaced picture? Playing movies on a TV looked like a bad DIVX rip. Dark parts didn't quite look right, kinda blotchy.
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I did very little research and you need a screen that can do 720p or 1080p so basically an HDTV (not SD widescreen). So yeah that kinda sucks, not many people have HDTVs and the good ones are all expensive as hell. It seems almost nautral nowadays to assume you need an HDTV to get the most out of video gaming. Sorry for your loss I probably would've made the same mistake. : (
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I guess they want HDTV to be the norm, just as DVDs are the norm & VHS is practically nonexistant nowadays.
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Yeeeap, I'd say at least another 10 years before everyone has hi-def TVs.
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I wish hi-def were the norm now, so that I can afford it. :P
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I really don't think you need widescreen to see your games, for the record. The manual says you just need a prog scan TV and the component cables.
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So many people were making the argument that Sony wouldn't be like Nintendo in changing their portable system...
...well, to hell with that one...
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Are you refering to that they wouldn't release a modified version?
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I understand how you feel, but why not research these things before just stumbling out and buying them?
Knowing how sony boxes their products it should have said something about not being able to display PSP games on the back of the composite cable box...I'll have to check it next time I go to Fry's. If they don't state that it can't play games(I know they did in the press release, but it should be on the box) that's real shoddy of them.
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Well, look at the bright side, at least we CAN play it on TV.... :)
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I guess they want HDTV to be the norm, just as DVDs are the norm & VHS is practically nonexistant nowadays.
Well, Sony HAs come out with a huge line of HD/progressive Scan tvs. If you go to the Sony Style store, that's what pretty much every tv in the place is. They know what they're doing. >:(
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In Reply To #26
Yeah they're tryin to get you to buy an HDTV. Problem??
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You don't need a widescreen TV in order to play the PSP Slim.
Only progressive scan.
http://pspupdates.qj.net/PSP-Slim-not-compatible-with-some-SDTVs/pg/49/aid/104428
-andrew- -kupomogli-
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In Reply To #27
The fact that they're slightly expensive, at least if you want a good one.
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Oh come on guys. If you think this is all an elaborate conspiracy to get people to buy HD tv's then you must be off your meds. Seriously now, you really think PSP game projecion is going to be a huge drawcard for HD televisions?
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Research, research, research! I can't emphasize this enough before making a purchase. I knew before I bought my PSP Slim that it would require a component cable to play the games on a TV that uses component cable ports (progressive scan). I'm not upset about it at all. Well, of course, that's partially because I own a TV with such capabilities. Still, it makes sense, as the PSP has a widescreen, progressive scan display. To me, it just clicked in my mind that it would require the same such parameters to display (and play games) on a larger screen. But that's just me. ;)
That being said, I hope everyone who bought a PSP Slim strictly for recording or playing games on a larger screen (and didn't know it required a component cable port equipped TV for such activities) can get their money back or find a better solution to the problem. Good luck! :)
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Oh come on guys. If you think this is all an elaborate conspiracy to get people to buy HD tv's then you must be off your meds. Seriously now, you really think PSP game projecion is going to be a huge drawcard for HD televisions?
Gamers are willing to spend their money on all kinds of extra bullshit just so they can play their games. Sony knows this. I'm not saying they directly said, "Hey, lets make it so that they HAVE to have one of our tvs to play the PSP" but don't you think it's interesting that the only format of tv you can play that PSP on is a huge line of tvs that Sony just rolled out? Electronics companies have been doing this kind of thing for years, you just never took the time to notice.
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I want a psp for the Dracula X Chronicles and FFT, but it is definately not worth the price imo. I'll just wait for a huge price drop or a really cheap used one.
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In Reply To #32
Yes, electronic companies do this shit all the time. You could argue Sony did it with the PS3, forcing Blu-Ray onto it not only to make it the established format but also to ship more HDTVs.
But the PSP? I don't think anyone in their right mind would use it to justify a $3000+ purchase. You'd have to be a nutjob wearing a tinfoil hat to believe that.
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In Reply To #31
Just because it uses component doesn't suggest it needs a progressive-capable display. My old set had component inputs but couldn't do progressive. Now if it actually says on the box that it needs progressive, then that's another story...
In Reply To #34
Good point, even if $3000 is a bit exaggerated. :)
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In Reply To #35
Using aussie currency. That's how much they go for here. We got ours for around $6000 around a year ago.
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In Reply To #36
I had a feelin' maybe that was the case. Can you get something like this one (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8386285&type=product&id=1181831586462) out there? That's what I got (fargin' awesome for the price). It can't be $3000, unless you guys get royally screwed. :-\
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In Reply To #37
Yeah, they like to royally screw us over here.
Proof:
http://www.i-store.com.au/product/?CategoryID=7&SubCategoryID=42
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In Reply To #38
Man, that stinks of suckage. :'(
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I have component video inputs on my A/V receiver, but not on my TV. Is it possible to run Component into a receiver and simply output via coaxial or Composite from there?
Also, I have no idea whether this receiver supports progressive scan.
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My TV supports component cables but doesn't support progressive scan. I'm sure there's plenty of other TVs out there that are the same way.
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I have component video inputs on my A/V receiver, but not on my TV. Is it possible to run Component into a receiver and simply output via coaxial or Composite from there?
Also, I have no idea whether this receiver supports progressive scan.
You could run an image through component cables and convert it to composite, but not if that image is transmitted in progressive scan. Composite cables cannot transmit a progressive scan signal as far as I know. So no, unfortunately that will not work.
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http://forums.qj.net/showpost.php?p=1836114
Hacks to make it work on composite cables and also display in fullscreen. ;)
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The psp has been hacked oh so many times...
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In Reply To #43
Still, that's fucked up. Sony claimed TV output. People shouldn't have to hack their PSPs to do what it's already advertised to do.
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Yeah I was under the impression that it was just a real issue with the game output but now that this is out I'm not 100% sure. Lets see what sony does now that this is out.
There has to be some kind of reason they only allowed component cables at first(don't say they want you to buy HDTVs, that is not true at all.)
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In Reply To #34
Lol @ nutjobs with tinfoil hats! If they did it with the PS3's I wouldn't be surprised if they tied in the PSP too. It may not make someone outright BUY one of their tvs but it might inch them closer towards purchase.
Sony's gotten to be a really scummy company like that. >:(
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In Reply To #47
The PS3 kinda does a similar thing. TVs which don't support at least 420p get shitty resolution for the graphics. Any screens that don't have P res of any kind get shit for graphics with the PS3. My Boss has an old bigscreen TV which doesn't have that high of resolution and he traded his PS3 back in because it looked so terrible.
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In Reply To #47
The PS3 kinda does a similar thing. TVs which don't support at least 420p get shitty resolution for the graphics. Any screens that don't have P res of any kind get shit for graphics with the PS3. My Boss has an old bigscreen TV which doesn't have that high of resolution and he traded his PS3 back in because it looked so terrible.
What do expect from a console made for higher resolutions? The 360 does the same thing.
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In Reply To #48
That sucks! What they SHOULD have done if they were smart is actually give people the OPTION to either play it on a regular tv or a HD state of the art tv. I didn't think it was possible for a company to be that stupid but apparently Sony is going for the record. :P
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"Regular TVs" aren't gonna be around forever, HD "state of the art" is gonna become the norm within the next 10 years.
Sorry, but it's true.
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In Reply To #48
That sucks! What they SHOULD have done if they were smart is actually give people the OPTION to either play it on a regular tv or a HD state of the art tv. I didn't think it was possible for a company to be that stupid but apparently Sony is going for the record. :P
Uh, Sony lets you play on both TVs. A high-defintion image is going to look like crap on an SDTV even when the electronic components being used don't have the Sony logo.
Also in case you hadn't heard, analog TVs are dying. Best Buy sold its last one a couple of days ago. It's not so "state of the art" as much as the norm now.
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In Reply To #51
Yeah, but that's 10 years. I think they're anticipating the market by quite a few years. Most of the US is still using dialup internet, so it'll be awhile before everyone has a hi def tv in their living room.
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In Reply To #5
I'm guessing he has an older TV without the Component Cable input slots.
"MODERNIZE, MAN!" -Random 'Simpsons' guy-
Seriously, who doesn't have Component Cable input nowadays?
I've got some old tv's that don't but all my gaming ones do, the thing that really pissed me off the most gamingwise was when I got my n64 and it didn't have an RF adapter, this was back in like 96 when most of the population still had the coaxle only tv's,I had been saving for like a whole year to buy it and now nintendo pulls this shit? Alright maybe they figured most people already had one with their older consoles so I could see the reasoning behind leaving it out. So I grab the RF adapter from my snes and get it plugged into the tv and everything then I got to plug the cable into my N64 and there's no jack. So's I go to target (where I bought it from) via my mom and ask the guy what's up? And he tells me you have to buy a special RF adapter just for the n64 that comes with a special piece with the RF jack on it that plugs into the back of the n64, man did I get pissed, I kept my cool in the store but I was fuming. So my n64 sat on a shelf in my room for a month, cuz I had to save up another 30 bucks to go buy a part I already had for a little add-on. I was pissed at nintendo for a long time. I mean that was just shit. Whoever made the decision to make it impossible to use your current RF adapter and force you to go out and get a "special" n64 one when most of the country stil had coaxle only tv's must have been retarded.