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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: AlexCalvo on June 19, 2020, 11:49:52 AM
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https://bleedingcool.com/comics/warren-ellis-accused-of-grooming-young-women-for-decades/
Maybe we'll get a new writer/story direction. Hopefully someone who played the games.
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That's exactly what I was thinking.
It would be icing on the cake if they replaced Trevor Morris while they are at it. Preferredly without the scandal.
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I... don't quite see it being that illegal. Scummy af but not illegal
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I... don't quite see it being that illegal. Scummy af but not illegal
Does it need to be illegal? It's predatory and gross, and well beyond what most people consider acceptable. Nobody is saying he should go to jail, but I won't be surprised if he's dropped by Netflix, and I would support the decision.
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At the risk of coming off as exceedingly tacky...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs)
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Ewww... so gross.
We just have to wait and see when Netflix drops him.
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why am i not surprised
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At this point I don't mind at all if Netflix drops the series. Season 3 pretty much wrecked whatever interests I had for someday watching the show.
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Yay, another decade of non-Castlevania entertainment whatsoever. Just what all of us fans wanted.
Enjoy your pachi-slots & digital re-re-re-releases of Symphony of the Night
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Time to bring in the Pachi babes.
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I personally can't understand why fans would even want this show cancelled, even if you did not like the latest season the fact is that Konami apparently has no interest in it anymore and thus the ONLY love it is getting in today's market is the popular tv show, if the show leaves than once again where stuck with nothing CV related to experience and is that what you truly want which is for the series to sink into obscurity yet again?
Besides I like the show, my only complaint is that they seem intent sticking only to the CV3 era when I feel the lore of CV is so perfect and ripe for spanning between different eras between seasons and eventually making it to the Sorrow saga for the final season but obviously that is not going to happen now since we are nearing 4 seasons and still stuck in the CV3 era.
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I personally can't understand why fans would even want this show cancelled, even if you did not like the latest season the fact is that Konami apparently has no interest in it anymore and thus the ONLY love it is getting in today's market is the popular tv show, if the show leaves than once again where stuck with nothing CV related to experience and is that what you truly want which is for the series to sink into obscurity yet again?
For me personally I'd rather have good/decent CV over bad/terrible CV. I don't mind if the netflix series goes away due to this incident. I was not really onboard with it since the beginning so I'm not missing anything. Others will feel differently about it obviously. Each to there own right?
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I personally can't understand why fans would even want this show cancelled, even if you did not like the latest season the fact is that Konami apparently has no interest in it anymore and thus the ONLY love it is getting in today's market is the popular tv show, if the show leaves than once again where stuck with nothing CV related to experience and is that what you truly want which is for the series to sink into obscurity yet again?
Speaking for myself, I don't necessarily want it "cancelled", I can see the worth it has for the brand. But if it depended on me, nothing > unasked bastardization of the product. The only thing I feel this show has going for it is the visuals. The writing has flunctuated between mediocre and atrocious from day 1.
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Be realistic everyone. The only way the CV brand will survive at this point is the Netflix series, unless Konami sells the game rights by some miracle.
The fan community is dying. It's been out of the mainstream eye for a long time.
The first thing people think of when they hear Castlevania now is the show. It's the first half of the google page. We'll probably get a game based on it at some point if things don't go sour because of this.
The CV brand has changed its face and its image and whether you like it or not, the show is the face for most people now.
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Be realistic everyone. The only way the CV brand will survive at this point is the Netflix series, unless Konami sells the game rights by some miracle.
The fan community is dying. It's been out of the mainstream eye for a long time.
The first thing people think of when they hear Castlevania now is the show. It's the first half of the google page. We'll probably get a game based on it at some point if things don't go sour because of this.
The CV brand has changed its face and its image and whether you like it or not, the show is the face for most people now.
This is true. And I hate that it is true. We all wouldn't have to deal with any of this shit if Konami just unfucked themselves already. But that will never happen. We'll never get proper Castlevania back.
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Is it really interesting to anyone anymore what the CV head canon is from a man who's never played the game, gets his info from wikipedia, and spends his free time preying on young women?
Fuck this guy. CV fans deserve better.
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Fuck this guy. CV fans deserve better.
While I agree that we deserve better it does not matter to those in charge (Konami) so it then becomes a matter of taking what we can get when it comes to keeping he series relevant in todays market and the CV netflix series is currently the only popular thing bringing new eyes and interest to the series which if popular enough could spur Konami to get off their a$$ and take a interest in it to release a game, without the anime CV sinks back into nothing and we remain a dying fanbase with nothing new to talk about and instead having to rehash our old nostalgia.
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CV fans deserve better.
better like Erotic Violence? :P
But yeah, i'm part of the "Castlevania is only standing because of the show and i don't want it cancelled" crew. I'd also like it to stay coherent to itself and having the same writer is part of that deal because imo, he has been good at it so far.
I don't mind the "bastardization" of the product because tbh, while Castlevania has long spanning lore, it also has "Barney and his Friends" levels of plot depth, specially the earlier games for obvious reasons.
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better like Erotic Violence? :P
But yeah, i'm part of the "Castlevania is only standing because of the show and i don't want it cancelled" crew. I'd also like it to stay coherent to itself and having the same writer is part of that deal because imo, he has been good at it so far.
I don't mind the "bastardization" of the product because tbh, while Castlevania has long spanning lore, it also has "Barney and his Friends" levels of plot depth, specially the earlier games for obvious reasons.
Haha are we stuck with defaulting to Erotic Violence?
I should clarify. I'm not saying fuck the show. There are a lot of good people involved like the Powerhouse animation people.
I'm saying fuck Warren Ellis. I don't think he truly understands the series enough to be the writer, and what's worse, I don't think he cares to understand it. He'd rather spend his time being a dirt bag.
And I as I've said many times I'm not a fan of the music. But it's passable.
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Haha are we stuck with defaulting to Erotic Violence?
because that's what konami is doing with CV currently. That and GoS...which they didnt even bother to properly release
I should clarify. I'm not saying fuck the show. There are a lot of good people involved like the Powerhouse animation people.
I'm saying fuck Warren Ellis. I don't think he truly understands the series enough to be the writer, and what's worse, I don't think he cares to understand it. He'd rather spend his time being a dirt bag.
i have lots of mixed feeling about ellis rn. Big grey area
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because that's what konami is doing with CV currently. That and GoS...which they didnt even bother to properly release
i have lots of mixed feeling about ellis rn. Big grey area
There is no gray area here. This is disgusting predatory behavior. Just because people turned a blind eye to this shit 20 years ago does not make it ok.
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I am allowed to feel any way i want to feel about it, tyvm.
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I am allowed to feel any way i want to feel about it, tyvm.
Yeah, and we're allowed to call out your opinions for being disgusting.
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Sure thing, Hector. Looking forward to 4 pm i guess
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Guys, if you can't discuss this topic without insulting each other's opinions or being snarky, just let it go.
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I still haven't been able to bring myself to finish season 3. What a pile of crap. I'd be OK with a dead franchise if the only other option is a bad cartoon series.
Castlevania as games also have story. GOOD story. Maybe not in the way of dialog or anything, but the basic concepts are all golden, and the atmosphere and bestiary are where the series shines. These two elements create the story. And the Netflix series does nothing to cull from this history. Snore.
Maybe season 4 will have a better writer. Warren Ellis is a dink.
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Half of y’alls favorite movies were made by directors that have done some pervy shit in the past. Quentin Tarantino has a foot fetish. Only a matter of time before they dig something up about him & try to cancel him too.
I recall back in the day many fans were convinced IGA was sexist & wanted him removed as lead producer. I can only imagine if these allegations were brought up in this era. He dodged a bullet
I’m just numb to all of these stories I keep hearing these days. James Gunn made hundreds of tweets joking about child pornography & kinky shit. He gets removed by Disney from directing Guardians volume 3. Then he gets reinstated. Louis C.K. gets cancelled because he was into kinky shit, despite asking for consent first & respecting them if they declined. Nope not good enough, your career must end now. Morgan Freeman gets accused of sexual harassment by a woman that he was being interviewed by. Etc etc etc
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Half of y’alls favorite movies were made by directors that have done some pervy shit in the past. Quentin Tarantino has a foot fetish. Only a matter of time before they dig something up about him & try to cancel him too.
I recall back in the day many fans were convinced IGA was sexist & wanted him removed as lead producer. I can only imagine if these allegations were brought up in this era. He dodged a bullet
I’m just numb to all of these stories I keep hearing these days. James Gunn made hundreds of tweets joking about child pornography & kinky shit. He gets removed by Disney from directing Guardians volume 3. Then he gets reinstated. Louis C.K. gets cancelled because he was into kinky shit, despite asking for consent first & respecting them if they declined. Nope not good enough, your career must end now. Morgan Freeman gets accused of sexual harassment by a woman that he was being interviewed by. Etc etc etc
Times change, we realize things that were once accepted were total BS and get rid of them. Without making this a war, what Warren Ellis did is gross, and while I would never recommend legal action on something like this, I certainly don't want to support the man, and I am in active support of companies that feel the same. Why are you so adamantly defending someone who was clearly and admittedly involved in disgusting behavior? Do you think what he did was ok?
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I’m not defending or condemning him. To be honest I was unaware of any of his work before watching the Netflix series. I read the article you posted & my response was “oh look, another one.” All I’m saying is I’m not surprised at all this outrage culture since people can get offended by anything you do nowadays & you’ll be cancelled whether you’re guilty or not.
Too many people are of the mindset of “so-and-so did something scummy, and I also dislike his work, so screw him forever,” whereas at the same time “this other guy did something scummy, but i like his work, so he gets a pass.” Not accusing you of this, just saying generally. It’s just human nature, which is why I say I’m numb to a lot of stuff I hear/read nowadays
But on the other hand, people forget scandals as time goes by. All storms pass & we wait for the next scandal to latch onto. Like I said James Gunn made those horrendous tweets but people forgave him & he even got a bonus by directing movies for 2 competing companies. So everything is so volatile & wishy-washy, Warren Ellis might even get offered a deal to make another animated series, if he apologizes or not, who knows. He probably will, since the show has been getting relatively positive reviews [amongst the general public that aren’t die-hard fans like us] & has been renewed for another season
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According to this article, Ellis will not be returning for potential future seasons of Castlevania.
https://bleedingcool.com/tv/castlevania-reportedly-moving-on-from-warren-ellis-after-season-4/ (https://bleedingcool.com/tv/castlevania-reportedly-moving-on-from-warren-ellis-after-season-4/)
If Netflix's Castlevania moves on beyond its previously-announced fourth season, it will reportedly be doing so without series writer, producer, and creator Warren Ellis. In the Friday, July 31st edition of The Hollywood Reporter magazine, Graeme McMillan, Sharareh Drury, and Aaron Couch focused their "Heat Vision" column on the comics industry and how companies such as Marvel, DC, and Dark Horse are being forced to face a culture of exploitative and abusive behavior. McMillan, Drury, and Couch examined how the industry was cutting ties with a number of big-name creators who are facing numerous accusations.
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Sigh, we had such a good thing going for a while there. If Warren really is off the project after season 4, I do hope someone can pick up the torch in such a way as to keep the fans of the animation and games engaged. Maybe Adi Shankar can be a bridge from season 4 to 5 (assuming there is one) and continue to provide splendid animations, regardless of who might write the scripts. Maybe having someone who knows and loves the series can breath new life into it. It would be neat if whatever is next picks up with the next Belmont’s story. A new era would make it easier to deal with a writer transition. Guess I can only hope.
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Sigh, we had such a good thing going for a while there. If Warren really is off the project after season 4, I do hope someone can pick up the torch in such a way as to keep the fans of the animation and games engaged. Maybe Adi Shankar can be a bridge from season 4 to 5 (assuming there is one) and continue to provide splendid animations, regardless of who might write the scripts. Maybe having someone who knows and loves the series can breath new life into it. It would be neat if whatever is next picks up with the next Belmont’s story. A new era would make it easier to deal with a writer transition. Guess I can only hope.
This is Netflix we're talking about. All this? There won't be a season 5. Hopefully they wrap it up well in season 4. Maybe we'll get some later Belmonts in an epilogue? Probably not.
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This is Netflix we're talking about. All this? There won't be a season 5. Hopefully they wrap it up well in season 4. Maybe we'll get some later Belmonts in an epilogue? Probably not.
Disagree, take The Ranch for instance and the whole Danny Masterson rape fiasco, that show still continued on despite that and he was one of the main stars of the show, here we are talking about a head writer which they can easily find another potentially more competent writer.
This is not all doom and gloom for the future of the series despite what some who actually dislike it may want, in fact this creatively could potentially be a turnaround for the show depending on who they get to replace him.
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Disagree, take The Ranch for instance and the whole Danny Masterson rape fiasco, that show still continued on despite that and he was one of the main stars of the show, here we are talking about a head writer which they can easily find another potentially more competent writer.
This is not all doom and gloom for the future of the series despite what some who actually dislike it may want, in fact this creatively could potentially be a turnaround for the show depending on who they get to replace him.
Come on... Warren Ellis is the creator, writer, and by far the only clout this show has. Ashton Cutcher was the star of the show in the Ranch, if he got busted doing something,it would have died just like house of cards. With Castlevania, it was always a Warren Ellis project. It's already gotten more seasons than most Netflix shows.
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The article proves that he's a womanizer? Your favorite Rock star is a womanizer. Men of any degree of fame have been using it to seduce women since at least the stone age. Maybe he went out of his way to message the adult women of common interest, as opposed to opening a door and letting groupies into his hotel room. They made the decision. He might be a creep or a pervert, doesn't sound like he broke any laws though.
The TV series has a better than 8/10 rating, which did anyone think that would be the case with any show based on a video game? I love the show. It's not perfect, but my expectations were on the floor. Maybe Ellis isn't the ideal candidate to take the series to TV, but did you see anyone else stepping up to the plate? I think he's doing a great job.
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I wouldn't even call it 'grooming'. A bunch of wistfully ignorant women got played by a player. That article (yeah I finally read it) read like the 2020 version of the hit pop song "It's My Party (And I'll Cry If I Want To)", only cringier. He has a twenty-year history of being a player? Someone buy that man a drink! Is he a sleazebag? Definitely, no argument there. But sleazebags are the the type of people humans love to give their time and money to -- especially their money. Think that guy selling you a car is morally upright? Think that lady selling you a house is a bastion of human decency? I'd be interested to see how creative he got with his endeavors, or if he just used the same spiel with each of his marks. As well-known as he is for his creativity, just how creative is he really? Enquiring minds want to know.
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I wouldn't even call it 'grooming'. A bunch of wistfully ignorant women got played by a player. That article (yeah I finally read it) read like the 2020 version of the hit pop song "It's My Party (And I'll Cry If I Want To)", only cringier. He has a twenty-year history of being a player? Someone buy that man a drink! Is he a sleazebag? Definitely, no argument there. But sleazebags are the the type of people humans love to give their time and money to -- especially their money. Think that guy selling you a car is morally upright? Think that lady selling you a house is a bastion of human decency? I'd be interested to see how creative he got with his endeavors, or if he just used the same spiel with each of his marks. As well-known as he is for his creativity, just how creative is he really? Enquiring minds want to know.
this is a horribly negative way of looking at it. despicable. all of these people he affected weren't even women yet. warren ellis created a fanbase, and he leveraged his fame and following to extort girls for things he wants. i think you're being too insensitive to other's situations, and too defending of a predator.
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I love how these events cause a bunch of creeps to out themselves. "Yes he was a creepy sleazeball, but he didn't do anything illegal, so he's just cool! Give him a drink, and show me what he did so I too can be as disgusting as him!"
This is what we mean by #timesup this stuff was never ok, it's just that men got away with it. As a culture we are done with sleazeball creeps. If that upsets you, it's time to look in the mirror. You guys are the cringe.
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By your judgement, a good % of the male population would be creeps. Sometimes men want to sleep with women they find attractive but have no intention of marrying. Sometimes women want to sleep with men they wouldn’t normally find attractive, but do because subconsiously it serves some purpose for them. When these two meet up, as far as I’m concerned it’s a match made in heaven. If he was forcing women or putting employees of his in unfair situations, it’d be different. If so, the victims need to blow the whistle then and there - Not run to twitter 10 years later. This is a case of a lonely guy who figured out how to work “the game”. Fortunately things with a hash tag in front of them don’t hold up in court, and the only people who care about them are the easily offended, yet vocal minority.
To take it back to CV, I for one will be pretty upset if the show gets cancelled, because of the 2020 internets new definition of sexual assault, which really adds up to young adult women making bad deals and deciding it wasn’t even half their fault years later.
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I love how these events cause a bunch of creeps to out themselves. "Yes he was a creepy sleazeball, but he didn't do anything illegal, so he's just cool! Give him a drink, and show me what he did so I too can be as disgusting as him!"
This is what we mean by #timesup this stuff was never ok, it's just that men got away with it. As a culture we are done with sleazeball creeps. If that upsets you, it's time to look in the mirror. You guys are the cringe.
this is a horribly negative way of looking at it. despicable. all of these people he affected weren't even women yet. warren ellis created a fanbase, and he leveraged his fame and following to extort girls for things he wants. i think you're being too insensitive to other's situations, and too defending of a predator.
Correct. I would never tolerate that kind of behavior, from myself or anyone I work with. It's completely destructive to the victim, and to the professional environments they work in. No good can come from this kind of behavior.
Instead of directly responding to the other comments in this thread, I'll leave this website here, and you can see for yourself how the accusations against Ellis don't even come close to matching the description of the events given by the predator defenders in this thread.
https://www.somanyofus.com/testimonials (https://www.somanyofus.com/testimonials)
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By your judgement, a good % of the male population would be creeps.
You kinda called yourself out on that one, huh?
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I guess that after all this he's going to have to go back to fucking goats.
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You kinda called yourself out on that one, huh?
That's by your definition, and some seriously naive, white knight thinking. I'll bet you think all women are totally innocent disney princesses. You know there is no shortage of women who want this behavior too right? Why do you think "bad boys" have always been so popular? Attraction is not a choice, and it sometimes conflicts with a persons morals and logic. That is why later when the hormones wear off - "what the hell was I thinking?". Then you have people coming out with the cognitive dissonance that ensues, online.
I read a few of those posts:
"I initiated a three way kiss with him"
"We continued to sext"
"I got the feeling of being special and worthy"
Are we sure these women were angels being manipulated by a predator? Sounds like no one was forcing them. This is why internet SJWs are such a joke, even though there are real SJ issues in the world, they cry wolf about "hurt feelings". Grow up.
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Let's ease off on calling other members "white knights" and "SJWs." I'm hardly one to believe "all women are innocent angels" or whatever, but the simple fact of the matter is that beyond questions of misogyny or women's rights or whatever, much of Ellis's behavior was simply unprofessional. Getting involved with the personal lives of fans and random fellow-forum-goers (as described in "Fox's" testimony) is simply a bad idea and would be *even if nothing sexual had occurred.* All that drama and garbage would have gotten me fired from several other jobs and positions I've held elsewhere in life. It's not being a "white knight" to condemn him for that, it's just good sense.
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I guess that after all this he's going to have to go back to fucking goats.
;D I never would have imagined that there would exist some form of Castlevania that contains several goat sex jokes, but here we are.
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Eh, I wasn't a fan of his vision of Castlevania anyways.
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Let's ease off on calling other members "white knights" and "SJWs."
Agreed, and agreed that Ellis’s actions were not respectable or in what I consider good taste. But fired? Certainly if they were women in his direct work-place or customers. Musicians espically hook up with fans all the time, where is their backlash? Or do the women hold those as fond memories, but not with Ellis? Apparently some people don’t realize that not all men and women are going to have the morals of mr. Rodgers, and think every content creator should. If I’m getting this right, in 2020, if a man wants intimacy with a woman, he better make sure shes flirting with him for his looks and personality - If it’s his status, then he is a predator who has taken full control over her actions and owes her a relationship (no ghosting). One woman at a time too, or the internet says you don’t get to do your job anymore.
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Well, sex with groupies on the road is one thing, but a lot of Ellis' behavior was just bizarre. Like, some of the complaints mention him answering every person's post on a forum and whatnot. Even if it's not directly related to work, that sort of obsessive behavior with a fan (as opposed to a one-off fling) is just bizarre and speaks of extremely questionable judgement. I'd be wondering how much time my employee could spend on work if he was getting so close to fans, and doing all the other weird stuff Ellis was described as doing. At this point, such a sustained pattern of misbehavior becomes more than an individual's lack of morals but proof of an unbalanced person it's wiser to get rid of sooner rather than later. Again, many places will fire you for stuff you did off of work just if you make the brand look bad. If an endeavor thinks one of its creators is getting so close and spending so much time with fans of the project it might bleed into their work, it makes business sense to let 'em go.
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Agreed, and agreed that Ellis’s actions were not respectable or in what I consider good taste. But fired? Certainly if they were women in his direct work-place or customers. Musicians espically hook up with fans all the time, where is their backlash? Or do the women hold those as fond memories, but not with Ellis? Apparently some people don’t realize that not all men and women are going to have the morals of mr. Rodgers, and think every content creator should. If I’m getting this right, in 2020, if a man wants intimacy with a woman, he better make sure shes flirting with him for his looks and personality - If it’s his status, then he is a predator who has taken full control over her actions and owes her a relationship (no ghosting). One woman at a time too, or the internet says you don’t get to do your job anymore.
Can you leave Disney princesses and Mr Rogers out of this?
We get it why cancel culture can be bad and over reaching. You're not the only one who listens to Joe Rogan.
You seem to be missing the part where, aside from being disgusted by him, a lot of us want him gone because we don't like the way he handled the writing of the show or ever bothered to actually play the game to get a deeper understanding of it.
Thee are so many talented writers out there who could put more heart into it and not prey on their fans whilst doing this.
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Even if I hated the show, I’d be the first to condem a real “predator” with actual proof, but this is not the case here. It’s an artist with a sex addiction. There is no evidence of a victim except those of broken hearts. What I’m hearing is that muscians are in the clear because they don’t exchange messages with the women and listen to their problems first. His managers can fire him for any reason they want, sure. Anyone can be a better writer, but how many tried to bring CV to Netflix? The show is not perfect, but looking at its ratings, it’s definitely doing something right by a good amount of people. You’ll never please all fans. Impossible. I’m lucky this time, if it was like a typical anime with those facial expessions and all, I’d be the one complaining. We’re lucky that amongst all the pure consumers we have a content creator taking action. It doesn’t surprise me at all that people who would use the phrase “you’re cancelled” won’t enjoy the same entertainment as me. There are plenty of PG movies with wholesome creators for these people to not get offended over. David Choe is another artist who may seriously offend them.
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There is no evidence of a victim except those of broken hearts. What I’m hearing is that muscians are in the clear because they don’t exchange messages with the women and listen to their problems first.
Just follow the golden rule of being 100% upfront with your intentions beforehand. Plenty of people wan't casual sexual relationships... but it's not okay to manipulate others into something they are not okay with. Just follow that rule and you won't ever have any problems.
Also, you can be a fan of someone's work without being an apologist for their bad behavior. We are all fans of work created by people that have done awful things. Every single one of us. I doubt I could list my favorite works without naming someone that's worse than Ellis.
For me, just purely as a fan, before these allegations came out, I felt like Ellis needed to be replaced after watching season 3. I stand by the positive things I originally said about season 1, a much more focused and composed adaptation of the game, but it rapidly became something unrecognizable to me afterward, especially with season 3. After watching that, and before the allegations, it was my wish to keep the artists but replace the writer. Personally, I would be far more excited about a new Belmont paired with a new writer than anything Ellis could offer at this point.
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Just follow the golden rule of being 100% upfront with your intentions beforehand. Plenty of people wan't casual sexual relationships... but it's not okay to manipulate others into something they are not okay with.
If only putting all your intentions on the table worked in dating. At least reality TV and soap operas would be gone. For all we know he could have been serial soul searching, and none of these women met the mark. They were infatuated with him and did what he asked. Later, regretted the decisions. A tale as old as time. Otherwise what youre saying is totally fair, you can think hes a dirtbag and boycott the show. I support you on that. If you think it sucks boycott the show. I only have a problem with the OP declaring his opinions are gospel, looks like he even tried to tell someone how to feel about it. Then calling people creeps and disgusting for pointing out it takes two to tango. Aren’t these the bullying behaviors these kind of people won’t tolerate?
Season 3 had weird moments, but for me the pros outweighed the cons. When I first realized they put Legion in the show, I was on the edge of my seat. Also the fly mans story was a nice touch imo. The characters are pretty fleshed out considering they came from 8 bit sprites with a basic plot. Even if Ellis never played a single game in the series, he saw enough potential to make a show out of it when noone else would.
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I think Adi Shankar doesn't get enough credit for the tone of it and for putting the show to Netflix, actually. IIRC, Ellis hadn't actually played Castlevania before he was approached to write a treatment for IGA back in 2007, but according to some interviews (like this one: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/19/15998770/castlevania-netflix-adi-shankar-interview (https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/19/15998770/castlevania-netflix-adi-shankar-interview)) Shankar was "one of us" for a while.
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If only putting all your intentions on the table worked in dating. At least reality TV and soap operas would be gone. For all we know he could have been serial soul searching, and none of these women met the mark. They were infatuated with him and did what he asked. Later, regretted the decisions. A tale as old as time. Otherwise what youre saying is totally fair, you can think hes a dirtbag and boycott the show. I support you on that. If you think it sucks boycott the show. I only have a problem with the OP declaring his opinions are gospel, looks like he even tried to tell someone how to feel about it. Then calling people creeps and disgusting for pointing out it takes two to tango. Aren’t these the bullying behaviors these kind of people won’t tolerate?
Season 3 had weird moments, but for me the pros outweighed the cons. When I first realized they put Legion in the show, I was on the edge of my seat. Also the fly mans story was a nice touch imo. The characters are pretty fleshed out considering they came from 8 bit sprites with a basic plot. Even if Ellis never played a single game in the series, he saw enough potential to make a show out of it when noone else would.
ah yes. the thing necessary for all men. women.
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I wish this thread was cancelled too.
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This thread should be locked. I almost regret trying to reason with xscientist, but I like these forums and I don't want them to become a toxic dumping ground for abhorrent incel nonsense.
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Urrgh...alright, a couple of things. First, the insults towards xscientist are uncalled for, I think. He did acknowledge he oughtn't have called people "white knights" and such, so if he was willing to apologize we should meet him halfway. And he was agreeing with folks that Ellis was doing sleazy, dirtbag things, so I think being too harsh towards him is a case of us "firing on our own side," so to speak. Bloo and Vlad, please try to be more charitable in the future.
However, I do think this thread should be locked--IMO, we've said all we needed to say. The problems with these sorts of things are twofold--first, in the case of really sordid matters like sexual abuse, creeping, etc. even discussion of them can really pollute the atmosphere of a forum like this. People generally come here to discuss games they have fun with, and being reminded of this sort of sleazy thing one way or another ruins the vibe for a lot of people. Secondly, the Castlevania fandom in particular has a really bad history with whenever its prominent creators leave it for one reason or another. This would be the case *even if Ellis had been let go for entirely non-sexual reasons.* For instance, back in the Lords of Shadow days, I remember one guy would just rag on Dave Cox incessantly, and it got to be such a humongous pain in the ass that even people who disliked LoS got tired of it (and this particular guy's caused me trouble in the Bloodstained community as well). I REALLY don't want the same thing to happen with Ellis. He was let go, apparently due to his personal problems with sex and boundaries, and that's the end of it--let's hope Adi Shankar can pick up where he left off, or if not, Castlevania gets revived some other way. But I think that's as far as it needs to go. xscientist, bloo, Vlad, or anyone else, please PM me if you have any questions or issues about this, but I think this thread has ran its course.