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Title: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 29, 2013, 11:11:44 PM
It seems that someone has been messing again with the respect points.
Mine has dropped 9 points in 3 hours, and I can't even find when because in my first pages nothing appears, so it's someone just trolling me, downvoting super old posts.
It's not the first time this happens.
Days ago, someone TOTALLY COMPLETELY TROLLED poor Ahasverus. I fixed that myself upvoting like 50 posts, but it really annoyed me, because I like him and it wasn't fair.

I wonder if we can implement some solution. I thought a couple solutions myself...

* One would be to get rid of the respect system, so no ones messes and if someone disagrees with other user they'd have to say why posting, or swallow it. Sometimes I wonder if the points are even worth for what they are... to me it is like a score for a game, but when I find stupid people doing stupid things it loses its charm and I think perhaps we would get along better without them.
* Other option would be to include a list of recent votes, say, like recent 200, both positive and negative, so no one can go trolling because votes would be on plain sight of everyone.
* And the other answer to this could be adding an option so that posts older than, say, a week, can't be downvoted. This can work perfectly with the previous option.
* Another option could be to require a minimum of time registered and amount of posts to vote. I'm not pointing fingers to anyone, please don't misunderstand me. But duplicate accounts of people who disagreed with me were a problem in the past for me.

As for myself, when I find out who is messing with me, I'll proceed to use the ignore function.
I have enough problems in my life to have to be worrying here where I'm supposed to have fun and relax.
In the meantime, I'd like users to posts their opinions about this subject that, from what I see, all it ever did so far was causing trouble and starting fights.

Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on August 29, 2013, 11:28:15 PM
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Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 29, 2013, 11:33:24 PM
Already found. It seems they were 2 users. And the posts were kind of new (but from days ago).
I was about to return the favour to them, but I'm better than that. I just used the ignore function.
Had I used it months ago with this user, I'd be having like 50 more points now.
And to be clear: It's not about the points, it's about the stupid attitude.
If you don't like my opinion, write about it and I can be very comprehensive and peaceful. Everyone here knows how peaceful I am to discuss things and how I get along with different opinions when it's done with respect (real respect, not the points).

Also, it's very suspicious that all that posts (all of them) were downvoted by the 2 same users (all of them).
I can't prove anything but I doubt they would agree both of them to downvote the same posts.

I can't tell user names because it is against the rules to call out someone in public, but most of that posts are in the "Era of no Belmont" thread, if anyone's wondering.

I'm sure administrators can check everyone's IP in order to avoid users having more than 1 account, if that's the case here.
I'd rather be a telltale in a peaceful forum than to stay shut in a flamebait trolling fest like other forums I've been to and that today I regret doing.
We all like here the way it is. All peace and harmony, friendly atmosphere and sweet talk. Girls-friendly, kids-friendly, even my mom would be pleased to post here. Let's keep it like that.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Bloodreign on August 29, 2013, 11:50:36 PM
An IP check reveals both to be the same person, action will be taken and one account deleted.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Ratty on August 29, 2013, 11:56:01 PM
Hate to see the respect system abused this way, it undermines the fun gamey intention. I'm sure the other mods and admins would be interested to hear what everyone thinks on this. Should we keep the respect system or is it not worth it? The 1 week voting period sounds good to me but I'm not sure to what degree if any the system can be tweaked.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Bloodreign on August 30, 2013, 12:14:13 AM
Action has been taken against the offending party, now back to your regular forum activities.

Also I too think we need to take a vote on the respect system thing, I am not one for it.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on August 30, 2013, 12:36:36 AM
Why was it installed in the first place? To me, it makes little difference, but it is increasingly dubious that only a few opinions seem to have made a difference in how it is.

Originally anonymous (which was more entertaining, because it had the whodunnit aspect and I think it was a healthy dose of realism for some), it was modified because established forum goers didn't like it. Now that it's out in the open, it's still not good. If the opinion of majority is such a big deal, it should have been voted since even trying.

As long as its usernames spicing it up with a couple of clicks of the mouse to get a reaction through usernames and avatars, it's pretty much the definition of "not serious business". Think of it as a board game. This isn't real as long as we don't mix it with reality. It's not even close to getting flaming dog poop to your doorstep. That is frivolous and silly, but this isn't even close to it.

What are chances you're ever going to meet the person who downvoted you? You won't get to see how he or she really is. And you don't really know how the person you + or - is. It can't be personal, so I suggest you don't take it personally.

FYI, this was a motivational speech.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Neobelmont on August 30, 2013, 12:43:17 AM
so you lost nine points why should you worry about that when you have 500+ respect?  :P or is it more so the fact that someone just did it to be a douche instead of legitimately giving you minuses ?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on August 30, 2013, 01:53:23 AM
Who fucking cares? I encourage everybody to downvote this post.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Nagumo on August 30, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
@A-Yty @Abnormal Freak

Don't you naggers make me go back and upvote all your posts.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Belmontoya on August 30, 2013, 07:47:02 AM
I think the respect points are garbage. Do away with them!
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on August 30, 2013, 08:03:59 AM
Reverse psychology obviously works.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 08:04:19 AM
* Another option could be to require a minimum of time registered and amount of posts to vote. I'm not pointing fingers to anyone, please don't misunderstand me. But duplicate accounts of people who disagreed with me were a problem in the past for me.

Pfil, dear, I like you but...

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This system already exists Pfil lol
You can only vote after doing some posts and that takes a time. Even so, is someone wanted they could wait some days and do the same thing.

Also yourself said that thinks at it like a game, so treat it like one. Putting a time limit to a post be -1'd or +1'd doesnt seems right too, since someone else like me would like to read ancient posts and if its cool enough give a +1. Also imagine if we couldnt vote older posts, so what? The same person that does this type of thing would downvote all your newest posts anyway.

If someone would change something, I would suggest a reason system, so if you vote in something you should give a reason. But wait, what if someone thinks "Oh, but it takes some secons to write a reason and Im lazy, I dont want to type one or more words and..." then there is the answer: If you really think that this person deserves a vote, you will spend some seconds writing a reason, otherwise you are only randomly voting without thinking or without reason and you are helping to make this "unfair" if you want to call it like that.

But since thinking about a system is one thing and doing or implementing one is much harder, its better if we ignore it and see where these numbers can go, this respect system doesnt means anything. Look at us Pfil, do you really think that you and me deserves this giant amount of points? lol
A lot of old users are here from years and deserves to have more than 2000 points IMO, not because of time, but because they really are gentle and cool. So thats a perfect example of how this system is there only for the lulz and acts like a bonus to kill boredom, I mean, look at us, if this system doesnt existed, we wouldnt be having this casual conversation.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on August 30, 2013, 08:09:09 AM
Reverse psychology obviously works.

Yeah, this. On so many levels.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: chainsawmidget on August 30, 2013, 12:24:52 PM
I don't have any problem with the karma system existing, I just don't much care for the way it works here. 

Is anybody here a member of Badmovies.org?  They have a really good karma system set up. 

If you're not a member, let me show it off to you. 


This is an average post. 
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The applaud of boo options are right under the name and title and above the avatar.

Click on Applaud of Boo, and you'll get this screen.
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If you go to your profile (or somebody else's profile) it gives you the options right there of seeing whose karma you changed and who changed your karma.
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And if you click on those, you get this
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You can click on IN TOPIC and it will take you to the exact post your karma was changed on. 
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on August 30, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
That seems like kind of a hassle.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on August 30, 2013, 01:12:12 PM
Definitely a hassle. I'd expect a rain of tits to pour down and reward me after all that work.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 01:53:01 PM
Its basically my idea mixed with other ideas here. The problem is that its difficult to implement and kills part of the fun.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 03:40:21 PM
To be clear, it's not about the points.
I have to thank a few users, I know who they are, for my points. I also gave them many points. I like to upvote many posts periodically if I like what they say, just for the good feeling of doing a good action for users I perceive to be nice, and for occasional new users that say something nice or cool. But for me it's fun like a score game. It isn't a really important matter. Not the points.

What bothered me is the attitude. It takes away the fun factor and reveals a trolling behaviour that always annoys me, because, as I said, I had problems in the past in other forums, and this is the first place, EVER, that I like posting on the internet.
I would be here posting like 20 posts a day with or without the points, I'm OK with that. I really like this community.
I think minuses require, just to be polite and follow a correct manner, an explanation.
But I repeat, it's not about the points, it's about the attitude.

Anyway, as Bloodreign said, back to my normal forum activities.

@Lely: I didn't know an amount of posts and time was already required.
It seems some admins went back in time to follow my advice and implement it.
Thanks Bloodreign or whoever traveled back in time to do that.
That was sweet!  :)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Flame on August 30, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
I was never pleased with having a voting system on this site. It wasn't really necessary. But Jorge likes it, so...
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 30, 2013, 03:58:58 PM
Oh yeah, I'm totally the asshole here.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 04:05:41 PM
Oh yeah, I'm totally the asshole here.

Sorry Jorge, but Im really laughing at this situation and how you said it lol
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 30, 2013, 04:46:57 PM
Oh yeah, I'm totally the asshole here.

Hey Jorge you are the coolest person here, ok maybe second, first was and it will always be Ed Oscuro. xD
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 04:47:52 PM
Jorge rules  8)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Flame on August 30, 2013, 04:50:08 PM
Oh yeah, I'm totally the asshole here.
Hey now, I never said that. You seem to have no intention of removing the system despite some complaints, (and you did add it, when nobody ever asked for it, that I know) So I just took that to mean you like this kind of respect/voting thing. I mean, most places seem to do it nowadays.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 30, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
Hey now, I never said that. You seem to have no intention of removing the system despite some complaints, (and you did add it, when nobody ever asked for it, that I know) So I just took that to mean you like this kind of respect/voting thing. I mean, most places seem to do it nowadays.

By talking like this, you are no different from someone who's complaining about getting downvoted. Get over it people, it's just a future, it doesn't say anywhere to use it or else you'll get some penalty or that if you get downvoted a few times you'll get banned from the forums.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 05:04:02 PM
Other sites I know but I'm not into, have only a + option.
That would be nice because it only contributes to express good feelings.

By talking like this, you are no different from someone who's complaining about getting downvoted. Get over it people, it's just a future, it doesn't say anywhere to use it or else you'll get some penalty or that if you get downvoted a few times you'll get banned from the forums.
As I said 2 times before, it's not the points, it's the attitude.
Getting downvoted by duplicate accounts is exactly trolling, and I behaved pretty peaceful and reasonable about this, I'm not insulting anyone. I was just annoyed for what the action represents, not for the points.
I already said I wouldn't even care if the system goes out. But I am sensible about that kind of actions, it makes me feel sad, because I try to be good to everyone.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 30, 2013, 05:22:50 PM
Quote
As I said 2 times before, it's not the points, it's the attitude.
Getting downvoted by duplicate accounts is exactly trolling, and I behaved pretty peaceful and reasonable about this, I'm not insulting anyone. I was just annoyed for what the action represents, not for the points.
I already said I wouldn't even care if the system goes out. But I am sensible about that kind of actions, it makes me feel sad, because I try to be good to everyone.

I wasn't referring to you. No need to get upset.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: X on August 30, 2013, 05:37:39 PM
The system has long-since fallen from my mind. I don't even use it at all. It's there, but I don't see it, let alone use it.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Belmontoya on August 30, 2013, 06:42:49 PM
It would be a lot better if the respect points were only awarded to the post and not accumulated by the user. It should work just like a Facebook like. This would eliminate the sense of hierarchy that is established by the current system, and people would stop caring so much about it.

It should be just a way to show that you like a comment, not a way to show that you like or dislike a user.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on August 30, 2013, 06:56:15 PM
To show that ya like or dislike a comment is the purpose. If folks be trollin' downvotes, they can be dealt with.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 07:49:57 PM
I wasn't referring to you. No need to get upset.
I wasn't upset. At all. And less of everything, upset to you, who are always so nice to me.

It should be just a way to show that you like a comment, not a way to show that you like or dislike a user.
I use it to like comments, not users. I don't randomly upvote posts just because I like the users.
When I use it, it is because I like what they say. It so happens that most of the time they are comments from users I like (you being one of them), but that happens in real life too. You tend to like people who you share things with, opinions amongst them.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: uzo on August 30, 2013, 07:55:11 PM
I think the respect system is a really neat thing, though it would admittedly be potentially better if it was possible to cutoff voting for posts prior to it's inclusion.

The only other modification to our current system that I would personally agree with is perhaps eliminating the down vote option, only allowing up-votes. I do however believe that down-voting is important and interesting to have. it gives a little extra depth to the system.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 30, 2013, 08:16:14 PM
It would be a lot better if the respect points were only awarded to the post and not accumulated by the user. It should work just like a Facebook like. This would eliminate the sense of hierarchy that is established by the current system, and people would stop caring so much about it.

It should be just a way to show that you like a comment, not a way to show that you like or dislike a user.

Now THAT's a great (and doable) idea!
Now you can see the +'s and -'s but no one knows how much respect they've got.
No more counter, no more trolling.  No one will know how much their downvoting efforts will be yielding.  And no more headaches.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Belmontoya on August 30, 2013, 08:23:52 PM
Right on Jorge!  :)

Wow. That was fast!
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 08:28:13 PM
Uh-oh, Jorge have returned... and with newer guns :O   j/k
Well, I dislike how it is now, only letting people know, since it doesnt seems to be a poll.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 30, 2013, 08:32:02 PM
Hey now, I never said that. You seem to have no intention of removing the system despite some complaints, (and you did add it, when nobody ever asked for it, that I know) So I just took that to mean you like this kind of respect/voting thing. I mean, most places seem to do it nowadays.

Actually, enough members wanted both a "Facebook Like/Kotaku Promote/Youtube UpVote/Downvote", a while back, that I added it.
Enough members PM'd me about (older members) about bringing back the thread-rater "Star Rating System", which I added around the same time.  The Star Rating harkens back to the old Forumplanet days.
I didn't do it on a whim.

Just because you didn't see people publicly asking for something, doesn't mean they didn't ask for it.

There are actions happening behind the scenes here all the time.

And people are ALWAYS going to complain, no matter what we, the moderation/administration team, do.  So really, hearing three loud people complain about something doesn't compare to the hundreds who don't care.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on August 30, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
My 200+ respect, now gone, BUUUUUUUUHHHHH *kills self*
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 08:37:30 PM
Hey, Jorge changed his title too!!

"Boogeymen check under their beds for Julius Belmont." was "It will always be Brinstar dammit!" for years. Thats a bad omen lol

edit: forget it, I forgot that we can choose 2 "titles" lol
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 30, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
While I like the respect system I can support this current way of doing things.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on August 30, 2013, 11:02:03 PM
This game got a whole lot more boring. It's now like a lukewarm sequel  :-[
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 31, 2013, 12:28:17 AM
I suppose I am one of those 3 loud people complaining...
But I wasn't complaining about you, Jorge, or any other admin for that matter. I said before that you all do a wonderful job of keeping this place peaceful.
It would be nice, though, that everyone can see their own score. Otherwise, it's like a game where you don't know how many points you have.

Anyway, the idea I liked the most was the one for keeping + and don't letting - points.
And I still think the blocking of posts older than a week would be useful, and a list of recent votes visible to anyone, so if someone downvotes 30 posts like some days ago, everyone will know.
I think it's become boring now (the game, not the forum).
It was nice to be "popular" for the first time in my life, at least in a fictional forum game.
But what's done is done.

I'll still be here every day, during work, during dinner, and every time I can, doing my usual antics  :P
C'est la vie...
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Bloodreign on August 31, 2013, 12:42:07 AM
Shit's fixed now, no more bitching, complaining or whining from anyone. Now back to regular forum activities damn it all.


Yeah good night at work.  ;D
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 31, 2013, 12:47:07 AM
Are you also working during a friday night?
At least I'm not alone!  :)
Good night at work to you too!
It's good that we have internet, at least.
Forum makes long work days a lot more fun!  ;D
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Bloodreign on August 31, 2013, 03:14:44 AM
I work Friday nights into Saturday mornings every week, then follow up with Saturday afternoons too.

I'll break the pattern for the first time in awhile in a couple weeks, but for one week only.

Edit: we don't have internet at my workplace, and I don't own a cell phone (in before someone asks me again how do I live without one, have for nearly 38 years now).
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on August 31, 2013, 03:26:33 AM
And you do well in not having a cell phone, life is much les stressing without one  :)

I am working a lot of extra hours due to complications in life and work, so it's nice to have a place to relax in between books (tax books).
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on August 31, 2013, 05:24:05 AM
Bloodreign's job consists of chasing kids with a stick, yelling at them to get off his lawn. Even if he's on someone else's lawn.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on August 31, 2013, 03:46:20 PM
Bloodreign's job consists of chasing kids with a stick, yelling at them to get off his lawn. Even if he's on someone else's lawn.

This involves old people's delusions thinking he was in a retro gaming world and if he hits a kid he will receive some bonus points?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 31, 2013, 05:03:20 PM
I use to work graveyard at Walmart five nights a week. That was a bother.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 01, 2013, 04:21:53 AM
Walmart have a graveyard in your country?
Cool!
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 01, 2013, 04:34:22 AM
Ha ha, no. :p
"Graveyard" as in graveyard shift, the very early morning hours when most people are asleep. Also known as overnights.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 01, 2013, 04:44:08 AM
Ha ha, no. :p
"Graveyard" as in graveyard shift, the very early morning hours when most people are asleep. Also known as overnights.
Oh, haha! It was too good to be true!
I'm a little weird, but sometimes I like to visit ancient graveyards in my country when I go to the cities, and look at the beautiful art in tombs and graves from 19th century and older, and the walls full of plants and all that.
I also love to visit ancient churchs, and everything in that spirit, you get the point.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 01, 2013, 05:46:06 AM
I feel bad vibes whenever i visit graveyards in my country.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on September 01, 2013, 06:13:47 AM
Graveyards are usually a serene sight.

Except maybe the ones that have those weird tombstones Russian mobsters get for themselves.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: uzo on September 01, 2013, 02:20:24 PM
I lament the ability to see people's respect tally.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: GuyStarwind on September 01, 2013, 02:37:46 PM
My high school had a graveyard on school grounds.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Dark Nemesis on September 01, 2013, 02:58:26 PM
Oh, haha! It was too good to be true!
I'm a little weird, but sometimes I like to visit ancient graveyards in my country when I go to the cities, and look at the beautiful art in tombs and graves from 19th century and older, and the walls full of plants and all that.
I also love to visit ancient churchs, and everything in that spirit, you get the point.

I love visiting graveyards for the same reasons, plus they make me feel so calm....
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Belmontoya on September 01, 2013, 03:03:35 PM
Lazer tag in a graveyard is a good time.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 01, 2013, 06:04:23 PM
I love visiting graveyards for the same reasons, plus they make me feel so calm....
Me too. I feel like I'm in another era. The same when I'm in cathedrals and old churches.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Ahasverus on September 01, 2013, 07:39:17 PM
eeeh the happiness shines in this topic :D
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: TheouAegis on September 01, 2013, 08:35:33 PM
There's a tombstone with my name on it in the main cemetery of my hometown. I supposedly died when I was born.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 01, 2013, 08:49:51 PM
Reincarnated.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 02, 2013, 04:41:35 AM
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Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: TheouAegis on September 02, 2013, 05:20:47 AM
Yeah! So you just go and pick up your squashed nickel then move along there, bub, before the police spot ya!

*I dunno if a nickel would derail a train... I don't see how, but I remember that rumor as a kid.*
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 02, 2013, 07:28:24 AM
This reminds me of these old cartoons with crazy things, like whey they try to make a car step on their feet so it falls on the floor.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on September 02, 2013, 04:54:16 PM
I don't think anybody has actually thumbed anybody up or down ever since Jorge-sensei retconned seeing how much respect you have.

(inb4 everyone thumbs me down ;-;)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 02, 2013, 05:16:55 PM
Yes, thats because its not cool like before. Before that retcon I +1 someone because I really knew that this would change something for the said person (obviously I only +1 someone if I agree with him/ likes his post).

Now its more like a Facebook 2.0, where you will only notice one time that this person received these poitns and forget days later. Thats what I really think, I dont have said it before but since you mentioned it I decided to send my feedback.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 02, 2013, 10:11:28 PM
I don't think anybody has actually thumbed anybody up or down ever since Jorge-sensei retconned seeing how much respect you have.

(inb4 everyone thumbs me down ;-;)
I did. I always +1 a lot of posts. I am Crisis' successor and until he comes back I will fulfill the duty he trusted me with.

Yes, thats because its not cool like before. Before that retcon I +1 someone because I really knew that this would change something for the said person (obviously I only +1 someone if I agree with him/ likes his post).

Now its more like a Facebook 2.0, where you will only notice one time that this person received these poitns and forget days later. Thats what I really think, I dont have said it before but since you mentioned it I decided to send my feedback.
Yes, it doesn't feel so big a good action as it felt, but I still do it.
And ye day shall cometh where master Fuentes be uncovering the veil, and the truth shall set you free, for the points now be under the light of the sun again.

"There is coming a time when Jorge will return and we're told in the Book: ... a new Dungeon where there will no longer be any death, mourning, crying, or pain, or negative respect".
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 02, 2013, 10:34:46 PM
If I were Jorge, I'd probably just ban all you whiners. :]
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 02, 2013, 10:40:38 PM
"Without whining and derailing there's no fun in a forum" (Shigeru Miyamoto).
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 03, 2013, 05:38:23 AM
See?
You can't please people. :P
"...then the battle will last for eternity!"

Yeah, Upvoting is totally nerfed now.  But now no more whining about respect points going down, etc.
You're all a bunch of wankers. :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Belmontoya on September 03, 2013, 07:17:59 AM
It sounds to me like some of you actually thought your total respect points counted for something. If you think it was a legitimate counter of how respectable you are, then you are mistaken.

Being on the forum to discuss great CV games is what should keep you coming back and having fun, not some superfluous point system that caused more problems than did any good.

You're crying because the doctor unprescribed your placebo pills.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on September 03, 2013, 07:44:47 AM
Counted as much as points in any silly little game. To some people, a game is srs bsns.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on September 03, 2013, 08:55:39 AM
You only say that cause you jes jelly I was mopping the floor with you in The Silly Game, a-yty-kun-sama.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on September 03, 2013, 09:06:34 AM
I..I..you..

Aargh! Get out of my head, dude!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_ls286xzAXv1r07nhuo1_500.gif&hash=9415df6f58f270ffd856d40e09caf181)



Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 03, 2013, 10:07:55 AM
**+1's beingthehero**
Problem?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 12:56:48 PM
It sounds to me like some of you actually thought your total respect points counted for something. If you think it was a legitimate counter of how respectable you are, then you are mistaken.

Being on the forum to discuss great CV games is what should keep you coming back and having fun, not some superfluous point system that caused more problems than did any good.
Oh no, with all respect, your are mistaking who I am. I've been reading here for years and then decided to register without that in mind, now the points are gone and here I am, doing everything as always, writing every day.
I don't care much, to me it was a high score, I said it a lot of times. I was glad I was doing OK, but I'm not that silly to think that was real respect. Like 200 of my points were from Crisis (I thank him anyway). And I personally gave like 100 or 200 points to many users during periodic voting (provided I agree). Like Lely or Shiroi.
However, the points I gave people was because I liked their opinions, so in a way it means I like them.

For real respect I try to just be myself while being polite and peaceful, and I don't have to make much effort because I like many people here.

And the original "whining" was about real respect, not about points, because I've been trolled by duplicate accounts, and that meant someone didn't like me and was trying to sabotage me or something like that.
So, I want the difference to be clear.

Anyway, the champion of that game is still Jorge, and the second place Crisis (from what I recall, maybe I missed some user).

And remember I was who said in the original post "In the meantime, I'd like users to posts their opinions about this subject that, from what I see, all it ever did so far was causing trouble and starting fights."
So, it was I who first proposed in this topic to get rid of the system and all the trouble it caused.

You're crying because the doctor unprescribed your placebo pills.
No, in any case it would be Fontaine and my plasmids.

See?
You can't please people. :P
"...then the battle will last for eternity!"

Yeah, Upvoting is totally nerfed now.  But now no more whining about respect points going down, etc.
You're all a bunch of wankers. :P :P :P :P :P
You say that because you won the game, I will give you the fairy powder curse! PUN PUN! >:(
:P

In case anyone didn't notice, after my initial post and after measures were taken, I was joking; just read between lines. You can't take all those posts seriously, I said "C'est la vie", I parodied the Bible, etc....

I'm glad the way it is now, trolling is gone, now if anyone wants to troll someone they have to do it arguing like civilized people, not pressing a stupid button like coward kitties.

Also, it was proven that duplicate accounts are not a possibility here. I'm glad about that too.
I had many headaches in past websites because of duplicate accounts.

Now, in all seriousness: all mods did a great job, as usual, in order to keep this place peaceful.

Edit: typing mistakes.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Belmontoya on September 03, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
I hear ya Pfil.  ;)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 03, 2013, 01:18:52 PM
We are almost reaching the top, I was planning to use all these points to ressurect Count Dracula. But this is not over yet, lets meet in the Inverted Castle Dungeon.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m56aypWckh1qgwxk7o1_500.png&hash=1fc89c2ba3515caa6b7018f48b708b48)

Mwaha-hahahaHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 03, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
http://www.icvdforums.com/forum/ (http://www.icvdforums.com/forum/)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 03, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
bwaahahaha @Freak. xD
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 02:44:00 PM
I was planning to use them to buy a PS4.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 03, 2013, 06:17:37 PM
http://www.icvdforums.com/forum/ (http://www.icvdforums.com/forum/)

It was intentional, I knew about this forum because of these awards thing. But I never thought about actually joining until you sent me this link and I saw that you are a active member there.

Maybe I should really join...
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Bloodreign on September 03, 2013, 06:44:28 PM
If this were a decade ago, the experience there would be far different....and far more unpleasant, mwahahahahahahahahaha. ;D
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.trekearth.com%2Fphotos%2F5162%2Fflames.jpg&hash=707a0d3ee6fdb1a208be7167b52ca2c5)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 07:00:28 PM
With a hand in their hearts, current admins and life-long admins must be really happy with the kind of users and peaceful atmosphere the Dungeon is enjoying today, and I say this with all the humility in the world. Just as we dungeonites are happy for it.
I would never have joined the forum if I wouldn't have perceived the white aura surrounding it.

By the way, a decade ago was 2.003, I wasn't a reader of the CV Dungeon forum (I was of the main site, however).
What could have been polemic about that times regarding CV? I can't imagine...
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 03, 2013, 08:00:10 PM
If this were a decade ago, the experience there would be far different....and far more unpleasant, mwahahahahahahahahaha. ;D
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.trekearth.com%2Fphotos%2F5162%2Fflames.jpg&hash=707a0d3ee6fdb1a208be7167b52ca2c5)

That means that I lost a nice party?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 10:20:59 PM
It sounds like the exact opposite to me...
Like a flame-fest.
I'm glad I'm here now and not then.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 03, 2013, 10:46:04 PM
n00bs got roasted badly, and if you could take the heat and post some pretty funny comebacks, you became accepted after a while.

Then we got bored and realized we drove off everyone anyway, and now we're like a small band of crusty, disgruntled assholes who still hang together on occasion.

And before ICVD when we posted here (on the ezboard Dungeon), Kurt pretty much hated us. The only reason the Off Topic subforum was ever created was due to us being heinous and posting truly disgusting, hardcore NSFW stuff in the Castlevania Discussion board that he tried to control for a while with swear filters and goofy mods and that and by sticking us in our own little corner of the board, but it wasn't long before he gave up and let us have our day—until one of our own hacked into the board and completely obliterated it.

I dunno, it was fun. None of that stuff would fly now, of course.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Gunlord on September 03, 2013, 11:47:09 PM
Wow, man...you guys were crazy back then o,o It seems you've calmed down a lot...at least from what I've seen of you since I've been here. XD
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 04, 2013, 01:12:21 AM
Age must have caught up to them, which is a good thing too. Now the boards are calmer.

I'm glad I'm here now and not then.

Me too.  :)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 04, 2013, 02:05:58 AM
Most of us then hovered around mid teens to early and mid 20s, so yeah, we've mellowed, mostly within the past six or seven years. This was 2000-2001 when we infested the place like a gang of thugs, which was eons ago in Internet years.

It was all for laughs, though. I think we drove one mod to the brink of suicide we ripped on him so much and must have stressed him out with our shenanigans. He looked like Chevy Chase and idolized Hide.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 04, 2013, 03:21:01 AM
Hah, good ol' PJK.
PJK tried to rule with an iron fist.

At around that time, Kurt made me mod.  I kept telling PJK to calm down, 'cuz he went and deleted entire threads, banned people with no warning (there was no warning system - there was no rules thread! No one knew the rules as they were just 'guidelines' picked up from the internet), and would ban you if you even questioned him.

So he pretty much was countered by the more colorful board members at every corner.  New accounts would be created, as well as duplicate accounts, and proxy servers were set up just to get around him, from what I recall.  I've heard rumors about how one person would use someone else's account to throw the IP filter off, then would complain about how they were banned without reason (whey they pretty much just shared accounts just to troll).

Now that there's a rules system in place, everyone has to abide by those rules.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 04, 2013, 03:31:51 AM
Wow... that's some story!
I wonder how much I would have lasted there, given I am so sensitive to everything...
But I really like the people here  :)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on September 04, 2013, 03:47:59 AM
It's OK, for even freak-kun is a delicate rose petal of a man now.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 04, 2013, 05:00:00 AM
Oh, I was very sensitive then, but it was mixed with this weird hormonal depressive aggression that made everything about life one big shit-stained joke that made ya laugh and cry at once, so I was not without my problems and frailty. We actually had a "Personal Problems" thread, probably started by me where we all kinda banded together in an oddly sweet manner to relate all the shit we'd been dealing with and helping each other through. Guess it's why ICVD still even exists, because at one point we established that "the Dungeon is family." So it wasn't all chaos and filthy poopsex jokes, but it was mostly that.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Belmontoya on September 04, 2013, 06:18:25 AM
I would visit the Castlevania dungeon site frequently back in those days. I wasn't interested in the forum at that time, and I'm kinda glad I stayed out of it as I probably would have gotten myself in trouble with my teenage agnst.

That was back in the days of AOL, chat rooms and punters. Good times. The Internet was chaos back then.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on September 04, 2013, 07:48:55 AM
I miss those zillions of GeoCities Castlevania sites that had an obligatory, automatically-playing MIDI of bloody tears or Dracula's Castle.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on September 04, 2013, 08:07:51 AM
I think Mr. P is still rocking that style. Of course, Adblock probably prevents it from playing  8)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: X on September 04, 2013, 09:30:05 AM
I never really liked GeoCities CV websites. Not for the websites themselves but because GeoCities itself was really buggy and made going through those websites a pain. It's a little better now but back then it was retarded.

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I think Mr. P is still rocking that style. Of course, Adblock probably prevents it from playing  8)

I still drop in on that webpage from time to time as it has some things that other CV sites don't :)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on September 04, 2013, 09:44:04 AM
P's place is probably the most extensive single CV site. Or at least was for a long time. Don't know how frequently he has updated. And of course CV Wikis have sprung up.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 04, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
Like the new system better. ;)

Only thing I would change is the ability to see who upvoted or downvoted you which I have been opposed to from the get go.

People will still call people out over the "downvoting" even though it does not reflect in their point system anymore.

But other than that, a step in the right direction at curbing some of the people who get butthurt over this kind of thing. :P
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Bloodreign on September 04, 2013, 03:38:19 PM
Most people don't know that Mr P not only has a CV site, but a long abandoned Mega Man site.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/mega.htm (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/mega.htm)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on September 04, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Last updated in 2002?! holyyyyyy shit
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Ratty on September 04, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
I never really liked GeoCities CV websites. Not for the websites themselves but because GeoCities itself was really buggy and made going through those websites a pain. It's a little better now but back then it was retarded.

I still drop in on that webpage from time to time as it has some things that other CV sites don't :)

There's a reason the nickname "GeoShitties" rings so well. What do you mean better now though? Last I heard a few years ago Yahoo shut down geocities entirely so that now such pages only exist in archives.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 04, 2013, 09:10:39 PM
It still exists in Japan.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: X on September 05, 2013, 09:42:53 AM
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There's a reason the nickname "GeoShitties" rings so well. What do you mean better now though? Last I heard a few years ago Yahoo shut down geocities entirely so that now such pages only exist in archives.

I was unaware of geocities being deactivated. Thanks for letting me know 'the morning sun has vanquished the horrible night'  :D
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 05, 2013, 01:42:39 PM
Like the new system better. ;)

Only thing I would change is the ability to see who upvoted or downvoted you which I have been opposed to from the get go.

People will still call people out over the "downvoting" even though it does not reflect in their point system anymore.

But other than that, a step in the right direction at curbing some of the people who get butthurt over this kind of thing. :P
I don't get butthurt. I am all respect and I ask the same thing from the other party.
A positive vote doesn't require an explanation, it's a virtual way of saying "I agree". But a negative vote requires it.
Negative voting without explaining is just trolling, especially when you do it periodically, and I was really tired about one particular user who did it all the time, especially when this last time he did it with two accounts.
It didn't show because they were many users also upvoting, but everyday I had to see ths user voting negative even in the most trivial things.
If he didn't like me, why isn't he a man and say it? That stupid thing of throwing the rock and hiding the hand irritates me.
I don't care about the points more than I care about the score of the game when I play some old game with points.
I liked the system in theory, but with assholes using it, it fails, just like any other system. Just look at most politics...
We are better now, and we'd fair even better without anything, just words.
That, the negative button suppressed, or, how someone said, having the forum require an explanation when you downvote.
I will keep upvoting posts I like. I did it since the day I joined, and you couldn't see who voted in that times.
But putting again the veil so we can't see who votes negatively will just encourage trolls to do their immature stupid thing again.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 05, 2013, 10:07:28 PM
I don't really get why a downvote should require an explanation if an upvote is okey-dokey. One could say, "Well, the upvote should require an explanation because otherwise it just looks like brown-nosing."

And what would prevent a troll from putting "because" as the reason for downvoting? Or simply putting in a single key. Would we then need a mod to look over and approve all downvotes before allowing them to go through?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on September 05, 2013, 11:44:39 PM
Put the old system back on, give users the choice to not use it. So, if you're touchy about the points, you can turn the point system off. Those who like the Silly Game, keep it on. Isn't that how some/most forum games work, anyway?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: GuyStarwind on September 06, 2013, 01:04:45 AM
^^
I can support that. I maybe the only one but I actually like the points.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 06, 2013, 03:10:35 AM
I like points too.

But wouldn't it be difficult to edit the programming?
I have 0 knowledge of programming so forgive me if it is easy.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: A-Yty on September 06, 2013, 03:19:29 AM
Maybe. Probably. Just throwing that idea out in the open.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 12:51:38 PM
No, I like the points too, both giving and receiving.
I still upvot posts I like, anyway.
The problem wasn't about the points themselves.

But I've been thinking... If a person wants to be an asshole, maybe there's no fool-proof system.
We can go around always with respect and peace, but there's always going to be an asshole at some point.
I just wanted to be polite not using the ignore function, but in the end it was the only way.

And I would have avoided this inconvenience for everyone.
I am sorry that I am so sensitive, I feel guilty now.
I am feeling that people lost something they liked because of me.
My sincere apologies to everyone.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 06, 2013, 01:16:21 PM
I don't really get why a downvote should require an explanation if an upvote is okey-dokey. One could say, "Well, the upvote should require an explanation because otherwise it just looks like brown-nosing."

And what would prevent a troll from putting "because" as the reason for downvoting? Or simply putting in a single key. Would we then need a mod to look over and approve all downvotes before allowing them to go through?

well said.

If a downvote warrants a "explaination" then why not a upvote?

Not getting the logic behind that.

If its ok for someone to give a upvote simply because they like and agree with a post then there is nothing wrong with giving a downvote because you dislike or do not agree with a another post.

No explanation should be required, that does not make them a asshole or a troll simply because they gave you a downvote.

Everyone on this board do not agree on everything, and for those who use the system a downvote can be given out because of differing views, not because they have a personal problem or want to be a asshole and troll someone.

I just think some people are to freaken sensitive when it comes to this system.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
Creating a duplicate account to downvote many posts twice, even old posts, to me it sounds like an asshole and a troll.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about please refer to the first message on this thread.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 06, 2013, 02:08:14 PM
Creating a duplicate account to downvote many posts twice, even old posts, to me it sounds like an asshole and a troll.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about please refer to the first message on this thread.

No your the one not understanding me.

Where in my post did I say that creating a duplicate account and downvoting older posts do not make them a asshole?

I only said that giving a downvote in general to someone does not automatically make someone a asshole or a troll.

They could simply just disagree with that post.

In your post below you said that a downvote warrants a explanation otherwise they are just trolling and or a asshole.

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A positive vote doesn't require an explanation, it's a virtual way of saying "I agree". But a negative vote requires it.
Negative voting without explaining is just trolling,

I pointed out that is not the case.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 02:52:31 PM
No, I understand you, and please don't take this as hostility or an argument. I just want to be clear and sometimes english gets in my way.

No your the one not understanding me.
Where in my post did I say that creating a duplicate account and downvoting older posts do not make them a asshole?
I only said that giving a downvote in general to someone does not automatically make someone a asshole or a troll.
They could simply just disagree with that post.
In your post below you said that a downvote warrants a explanation otherwise they are just trolling and or a asshole.
I pointed out that is not the case.
Yes, because there's this user I can't name because it's against the rules, who just used to downvote everything I said in a page, even if it was a trivial message like "Cool!", or just go 40 pages back in my messages log to downvote 10 or 20 messages.
And the same happened to Ahasverus like 10 days ago, where someone downvoted 130 posts of him in 1 hour.

I am OK with a downvote followed by an explanation. Generally, upvoting implicates "I agree", while downvoting can't simply be just "I don't agree". Agreeing is thinking the same. Disagreeing can be because a lot of reasons.

But more than that, I am OK and very opened to polite and respectful discussion. I even did that with Sumac a little after I joined, and our opinions were so, so different.

So, I'd like to separate things. Downvotes can exist for regular users that use them as a function. I personally believe they require an explanation. Not everyone thinks so.
Downvoting doesn't make someone an asshole.
Massive downvoting and duplicate accounts DOES make anyone who does that an asshole.

Anyway, I believe that, in the end, we are here to talk, not to gain or give points. That's just a fun factor added to the formula. I didn't join because of that, and I will continue to post if that system's gone.
But I was really annoyed by that user, my patience is high, but I have a limit.
Even more, I don't even know what I ever did to him that he needed to go downvoting me so often.
And I feel bad because in that thread we were talking for the first time, and I thought that maybe he finally accepted my opinions for what they are and despite the differences he was willing to talk like everyone else.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 02:55:12 PM
(about "A positive vote doesn't require an explanation, it's a virtual way of saying "I agree". But a negative vote requires it. Negative voting without explaining is just trolling").
I pointed out that is not the case.
Let me rephrase, I understand I wasn't clear in my explanation of what I think:
A positive vote doesn't require an explanation, it's a virtual way of saying "I agree". But a negative vote could require it most of the time, in my opinion.
However, MASSIVE negative voting is just trolling.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
And finally, for the 1543rd time...

It wasn't about the points. Why would I care about 10 or 12 points?, I had like 500 points... And why would I want the system out if I cared so much for the points?

It was for the attitude. That silent way of telling me "Hey, I don't like you" without words.
I'm not in high school anymore surrounded by stupid popular girls. I don't want anymore of that. I'm here to have a good time with CV fans and nice people.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 06, 2013, 03:15:37 PM
snip

You see, that is the thing, I'm not disagreeing with that guy being a troll for doing that to you, there are always going to be jerks who abuse a system.

The problem I felt I needed to address was your post about a explanation needing to be given if someone downvotes you.

And how they are just trolling if one is not given.

My point is how exactly is that any different then someone upvoting you and not giving a explanation?

Why is it ok for someone to give a upvote to someone without a explanation but a downvote requires one?

You said that a upvote is universally used as a "I agree", but wouldn't the same be the case for a downvote as well?

There are other sides to a upvote just like there is to a downvote, Abnormal Freak pointed out one such as a upvote being used as a way to brown nose other members into liking you, you may not even agree with their posts and yet you would feel the need to be on their good side so you upvote.

Now since you seem to be sensitive to this issue let me go on the record and point out I am not referring to you in this above example, only that just like a downvote can be abused by jerks and trolls, a upvote can be abused by brown nosers.

So my over all point is neither should require a explanation, but if you have to ask for a explanation for one then why not the other?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 03:39:01 PM
I see your point. That's why I reformulated my explanation in my previous post.
You are right. Some upvotes can be followed by "Cool!", "That's so funny!" and "Good point", and things like that. It isn't always "I agree". Both could require explanations. But that would be a headache for admins, so I don't know...

I don't see, however, why would someone have a problem with people giving love, virtual hugs, I don't know how to call it, but that's so cute and tender, I like it, that's what giving +1 means to me, and I like to do it (provided I agree; I would never upvote a user I like if he/she says, I don't know, something like "OoE sucks"; neither would I downvote him/her; I'd just disagree with a post, neither +1 nor -1; but that's just me).
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 06, 2013, 06:26:30 PM
No explanation should be needed for +'s or -'s.
It is understood that it means "I am promoting this post" or "I do not promote this post".

It's obvious that it means that the post is agreeable/disagreeable.

Seriously guys, grow some thicker skin.  No matter what I implement, someone will complain, complain, complain.
Right now it's like Upvotes/Downvotes on Youtube.  That's it.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 06, 2013, 08:30:11 PM
Seriously guys, grow some thicker skin.  No matter what I implement, someone will complain, complain, complain.

That happens everywhere on internet and IRL, look at presidents around the world when they try to change something to make some people happy for example lol
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 07, 2013, 01:31:13 AM
No explanation should be needed for +'s or -'s.
It is understood that it means "I am promoting this post" or "I do not promote this post".

It's obvious that it means that the post is agreeable/disagreeable.

Seriously guys, grow some thicker skin.  No matter what I implement, someone will complain, complain, complain.
Right now it's like Upvotes/Downvotes on Youtube.  That's it.
Just to be clear, I'm not complaining about you, the forum or the other mods, nor am I complaining about dungeonites in general.
And I'd like... oh God I'd like!... to grow a thicker skin. But it's easier said than done when you are some unpopular girl with divorced parents and low self-esteem. I come here to have a good time, and that kind of things... well, they make me kind of sad. Especially when I try to be so good to everyone. I can't help it.
Can we please let this go? I don't want to keep walking in circles around this one bad episode when there are so many good things around the Dungeon.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Dark Nemesis on September 07, 2013, 02:53:16 AM
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Can we please let this go? I don't want to keep walking in circles around this one bad episode when there are so many good things around the Dungeon.

You'll have to redeem your self first.
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Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 07, 2013, 03:50:41 AM
You'll have to redeem your self first.
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Redemption? Mmmm...
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Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Rugal on September 07, 2013, 07:13:28 AM
I didn't think my attempt to show Ashvarus or whatever his name that respect points mean nothing would amount to all of this.

Yes yes I am the culprit.

Also, MY NAME IS KUPO LOL
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 07, 2013, 08:29:25 AM
I didn't think my attempt to show Ashvarus or whatever his name that respect points mean nothing would amount to all of this.

Yes yes I am the culprit.

Also, MY NAME IS KUPO LOL
It isn't because of you, I didn't even know who downvoted Ahasverus. I just corrected it.
Hey, I even gave you a lot of + votes when you were in negative.
I never thought of you when I wrote this topic. It was because some user created a duplicate account to downvote me twice in a lot of posts.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Rugal on September 07, 2013, 09:44:11 AM
It was because some user created a duplicate account to downvote me twice in a lot of posts.

Another reason why that respect system was dumb. Turns it into a schoolyard playground.

Or one of those teen magazines you see in grocery stores.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Ratty on September 07, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
some unpopular girl with divorced parents and low self-esteem.

Well I can't vouch for your popularity in your close-minded hometown but outside of it I imagine it would be pretty high. Divorce is pretty common these days, I'm sorry your parents broke up but I'm sure they both still love you very much. Sometimes people just grow apart or have differences they can't resolve, it's not always anyone's fault. Also, most importantly, you're a woman now. Not the girl you were in school. And as a woman, one who from all we've seen is a kind and beautiful one, you need to not let others define you. Either in their words and actions now or from years ago, you are your own person.

Redemption? Mmmm...
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There's nothing to apologize or redeem for. Even the best of friends have disagreements sometimes.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 07, 2013, 10:36:06 AM
I didn't think my attempt to show Ashvarus or whatever his name that respect points mean nothing would amount to all of this.

Yes yes I am the culprit.

Also, MY NAME IS KUPO LOL
Another reason why that respect system was dumb. Turns it into a schoolyard playground.

Or one of those teen magazines you see in grocery stores.

"I disagree with the premise of this system.  To show how much I disagree and prove my point, I will degrade myself to a lowly troll to show people.  Yeah, that'll really show how my point of view is the right thing.
I am an hero."

Yeah you sure showed people a thing or two.  Like how acting like a slimy troll yields results...

...except no.  Nevermind that no one here even mentioned you until just recently.  Your efforts were meaningless, and only when someone else mentioned it about their plight on its own thread, and about someone else entirely, was something done.  And the system is still in place, just slightly different.

But I suppose if I had nothing better to do with my time, I probably would squander it constantly clicking the "-" button 'for the lulz'.
Thankfully, most people do have better things to do with their time.  Congrats on showing us what you do with yours.  ;)

Having said that, I do agree that the respect system is superfluous, and not to be taken too seriously.  I have conveyed this countless times.
It is now even more superfluous, as the numbers are not actually shown.  Nice and nerfed. :P
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Tanatra on September 07, 2013, 10:50:06 AM
This reminds me of the uproar created by the topic ratings way back in the olden days of circa-2003. People complained about them, too. If someone actually creates multiple accounts just to down-vote your posts, it says a lot more about them than it does the quality of your posts. Take solace in the fact that such people never have & probably never will get laid, and ignore the rating system & just enjoy your time here.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on September 07, 2013, 03:53:53 PM
Shit, I got laid four times when I showed some ladies how many people upvoted my posts. I was all "hey gurl...see that? that's right, 8+ upvotes. awwww yeeeaaah!"

I still got love stank all over me.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Rugal on September 07, 2013, 04:05:50 PM
"I disagree with the premise of this system.  To show how much I disagree and prove my point, I will degrade myself to a lowly troll to show people.  Yeah, that'll really show how my point of view is the right thing.
I am an hero."

Yeah you sure showed people a thing or two.  Like how acting like a slimy troll yields results...

...except no.  Nevermind that no one here even mentioned you until just recently.  Your efforts were meaningless, and only when someone else mentioned it about their plight on its own thread, and about someone else entirely, was something done.  And the system is still in place, just slightly different.

But I suppose if I had nothing better to do with my time, I probably would squander it constantly clicking the "-" button 'for the lulz'.
Thankfully, most people do have better things to do with their time.  Congrats on showing us what you do with yours.  ;)

Having said that, I do agree that the respect system is superfluous, and not to be taken too seriously.  I have conveyed this countless times.
It is now even more superfluous, as the numbers are not actually shown.  Nice and nerfed. :P

Only took around 15 minutes while listening to music.. I didn't do it to troll, Jorge. I did it to one person just to show him how easily the system could be manipulated. Wait. Why am I explaining myself to the person who implemented that whole trollish system in the first place?

I'm trying to act like a hero? lol?

Well anyway I'm glad you fixed it. Good job.

Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 07, 2013, 05:08:21 PM

You must have a very fast computer to be able to load a person's posts going as far as 2008 only to minus them.  Or be on a very fast internet connection.  Or lying.  Regardless, good job I guess.

Apparently people will complain no matter what I do.
So 'fix' is, I suppose, one term to use.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 07, 2013, 05:33:14 PM
I didn't think my attempt to show Ashvarus or whatever his name that respect points mean nothing would amount to all of this.

Yes yes I am the culprit.

Also, MY NAME IS KUPO LOL

Kupo like in Moogle's sound? Like this?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fshrines.rpgclassics.com%2Fpsx%2Fffix%2FPics%2Fgivekuponut.jpg&hash=2f523eaee1f723c0fe757a024ebf597e)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: beingthehero on September 07, 2013, 07:20:22 PM
He's talking about Kupomogli, who was an old member here and briefly jorge's archnemesis.

He hated everything about Nintendo and often got into fights with others.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 07, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Ha ha, I wouldn't go nearly that far.
I've met no one here who would have such a title.

Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lelygax on September 07, 2013, 07:55:33 PM
He's talking about Kupomogli, who was an old member here and briefly jorge's archnemesis.

He hated everything about Nintendo and often got into fights with others.

LOL, a cute name if you ask me. I thought that he was only talking a random thing at the moment, thanks for letting me know that.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Bloodreign on September 08, 2013, 12:17:23 AM
Ahhh Kupo, never too far away and at a forum I go to. And still going at it with folks now and again over other things.
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: VladCT on September 08, 2013, 12:25:53 AM
He hated everything about Nintendo...
So what happens when we bring up the fact that Castlevania started on the NES?
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 08, 2013, 03:11:57 AM
I was all "hey gurl...see that? that's right, 8+ upvotes. awwww yeeeaaah!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Pfil on September 08, 2013, 06:22:22 AM
Well I can't vouch for your popularity in your close-minded hometown but outside of it I imagine it would be pretty high. Divorce is pretty common these days, I'm sorry your parents broke up but I'm sure they both still love you very much. Sometimes people just grow apart or have differences they can't resolve, it's not always anyone's fault. Also, most importantly, you're a woman now. Not the girl you were in school. And as a woman, one who from all we've seen is a kind and beautiful one, you need to not let others define you. Either in their words and actions now or from years ago, you are your own person.
I could find "company" on my travels, so in a way, maybe you're right... I've just been so many years believing I was what they told me :( and I miss so much how life used to be when my parents were together and we had dinners as a family, travelled together and everything...
But thanks, your words are really kind  :)
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Lashen on September 08, 2013, 07:24:06 AM
I hear if you say "Now you're playing with power." three times in front of a mirror with the lights off, kupomogli will bore a hole through and pull your still-beating heart from your chest (not unlike Temple of Doom).
Title: Re: People messing with the respect points
Post by: Vampfox on September 09, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
I've never understood why so many sites use respect systems. 9 times out of 10 they just cause more trouble then they're worth.