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Title: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 15, 2019, 07:44:15 AM
Couldn’t find the original thread, so here’s a new one.  Where in the world is Castlevania Season 3?  I’m all ready for a Halloween watch, but might end up rewatching the first two seasons instead.  At least we know it “is” coming since they’re talking about it at conventions, but it feels late if it’s too much after Halloween.  It’s gonna be a disappointing Halloween if we don’t get something Castlevania related.  I hope they can sqeaze in Grimiour of Souls outside of Canada by then.  Or maybe get the Season 2 soundtrack?  At least we got the Bloodstained backer poster and sound track in time.

Oh, and thank Konami Godbrand wasn’t named Mathias Cronqvist.  Wonder how that name got Ellis thinking about a Viking Vampire.  Is Cronqvist norse?

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/10/13/castlevania-warren-ellis-talks-adapting-video-game-working-with-netflix-dracula-more-interview/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/10/13/castlevania-warren-ellis-talks-adapting-video-game-working-with-netflix-dracula-more-interview/)

Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: whipsmemory on October 15, 2019, 12:36:15 PM
Wow, thanks Konami then  :P..! This makes me wonder that probably he still has not the slightest idea that Mathias is actually Dracula, which makes me worry a bit tbh. But I likes his work on the show so far. That was an interesting read, thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Super Waffle on October 15, 2019, 07:40:05 PM
What if the Netflixvania gets a pachislot game before it gets a third season?
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 16, 2019, 12:02:18 AM
The most interesting part is Konami actually drawing a "red line" on the use of Mathias Cronqvist which even the writers of the show thought was weird since Konami apparently has been cool with them adapting and putting their own spin on the IP.

Its just weird that Mathias Cronqvist (who is the IGAvania canon Dracula) was off limits since now that IGA is gone you would think they would not care, after all they showed us that Leon Belmont (who was also a IGA creation) is in the anime's canon so why make Mathias off limits?

As it stands now my only conclusion is that maybe they wanted the anime team to keep the "door open" for the origin of this version of Dracula and thus having the writer throw away the name to a completely different character may have not been a wise move in Konami's eyes.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: X on October 16, 2019, 09:32:14 AM
I liked how Warren Ellis mentioned he is a fan of the old Hammer horror films and when he saw CV for the first time his mind took him straight to those classic films. Well CV was based on those movies so he made the connection very easily  :)

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Its just weird that Mathias Cronqvist (who is the IGAvania canon Dracula) was off limits since now that IGA is gone you would think they would not care, after all they showed us that Leon Belmont (who was also a IGA creation) is in the anime's canon so why make Mathias off limits?

I personally don't care if Mathias is off-limits as he was never the true CV Dracula to begin with. And you'll note that the Mathias Cronqvist name only ever appeared in LoI and was never used in any other IGAvania since (don't know about Judgement though). Maybe that was also Konami's doing as they probably didn't agree with IGA on that front. Speculation of course but interesting none-the-less.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 16, 2019, 02:01:27 PM
What if the Netflixvania gets a pachislot game before it gets a third season?
Good point.  We’re about due for a new pachislot game lol.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Belmontoya on October 16, 2019, 03:28:52 PM
Did they replace Trevor Morris yet? I hope so.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 17, 2019, 01:56:19 AM
y  :)

I personally don't care if Mathias is off-limits as he was never the true CV Dracula to begin with.

Subjective but whatever, to each their own I suppose, I will always stand by IGA's interpretation since he is the only one who at least ATTEMPTED to make a coherent story out of the series the best he could.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: whipsmemory on October 17, 2019, 12:10:52 PM
The most interesting part is Konami actually drawing a "red line" on the use of Mathias Cronqvist which even the writers of the show thought was weird since Konami apparently has been cool with them adapting and putting their own spin on the IP.

Its just weird that Mathias Cronqvist (who is the IGAvania canon Dracula) was off limits since now that IGA is gone you would think they would not care, after all they showed us that Leon Belmont (who was also a IGA creation) is in the anime's canon so why make Mathias off limits?

As it stands now my only conclusion is that maybe they wanted the anime team to keep the "door open" for the origin of this version of Dracula and thus having the writer throw away the name to a completely different character may have not been a wise move in Konami's eyes.

I think you misunderstood ( or maybe I did...) but I think they said no to having an unrelated and new character (which was Godbrand) named Mathias Cronquivist. If he wanted to tell the origin story he could have got green light in adapting Mathias to become Dracula. It’s just using a name so important on the lore on a random original character which was off limits for Konami ( and I’d agree with them )
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Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 18, 2019, 12:22:49 AM
I think you misunderstood ( or maybe I did...) but I think they said no to having an unrelated and new character (which was Godbrand) named Mathias Cronquivist.
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Yea you misunderstood dude, I completely understood that, hence this part of my post,

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As it stands now my only conclusion is that maybe they wanted the anime team to keep the "door open" for the origin of this version of Dracula and thus having the writer throw away the name to a completely different character may have not been a wise move in Konami's eyes.

Namely the part of my post about Konami not possibly wanting them to use Mathias Cronqvist on a completely different character (aka Godbrand) and why it may have not been a seen as a wise move on their part hence them blocking it.

So in short yes no misunderstanding here my main point was speculation on WHY they would not want them to waste that name on Godbrand.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: whipsmemory on October 18, 2019, 07:04:18 AM
Yea you misunderstood dude, I completely understood that, hence this part of my post,

Namely the part of my post about Konami not possibly wanting them to use Mathias Cronqvist on a completely different character (aka Godbrand) and why it may have not been a seen as a wise move on their part hence them blocking it.

So in short yes no misunderstanding here my main point was speculation on WHY they would not want them to waste that name on Godbrand.

Sorry then, totally misunderstood with you meant on the second part of your post ^^’
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Foffy on October 18, 2019, 09:00:54 PM
The most interesting part is Konami actually drawing a "red line" on the use of Mathias Cronqvist which even the writers of the show thought was weird since Konami apparently has been cool with them adapting and putting their own spin on the IP.

Its just weird that Mathias Cronqvist (who is the IGAvania canon Dracula) was off limits since now that IGA is gone you would think they would not care, after all they showed us that Leon Belmont (who was also a IGA creation) is in the anime's canon so why make Mathias off limits?

As it stands now my only conclusion is that maybe they wanted the anime team to keep the "door open" for the origin of this version of Dracula and thus having the writer throw away the name to a completely different character may have not been a wise move in Konami's eyes.

Presumably they've been working on the concepts for the show penned all the way back in 2007, when IGA was producer and Ellis had to get approval through him. I recall he had to scrap and start over about seven times. I remember we've known about the goat fucking line, the one that appears in the first episode of the first season for nearly a decade now.

I think it's amazing to see they kept things in place for when this was planned to be three animated films released on DVD instead of starting all over with Netflix's support.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 02, 2019, 01:46:55 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/2019/11/02/castlevania-director-shares-season-3-netflix-sneak-peek/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/2019/11/02/castlevania-director-shares-season-3-netflix-sneak-peek/)

Well, they just finished mixing episode 9 of season 3, so progress.

They mentioned the episode was huge, so I wonder if that is the reason they “missed” Halloween haha.  I for one don’t like binge watching, so I wish they just released episode 1 earlier and then released a new episode every week.  That’s Netflix for you though.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 03, 2019, 02:33:17 PM
Doesn’t look like there’s any hope of getting this in the next two months, but for sure 2020.  And they’re making a cool Indian mythology animation.


https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/11/03/warren-ellis-netflix-india-heavens-forest-castlevania-season-3-2020/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/11/03/warren-ellis-netflix-india-heavens-forest-castlevania-season-3-2020/)
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Holy Diver on November 10, 2019, 09:19:48 AM
https://youtu.be/-InX4RVq8FA
A panel thingy. Season 3 teaser was shown at the end, but it was censored in this video. Anyone know of any leaks of that particular teaser?
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: crisis on November 26, 2019, 11:06:43 AM
Season 3 should be dropping next week lol

https://www.superherohype.com/tv/472505-castlevania-season-3-will-hit-netflix-next-week (https://www.superherohype.com/tv/472505-castlevania-season-3-will-hit-netflix-next-week)
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 27, 2019, 10:48:09 PM
Hmph... this should have been dropped a month ago. Most especially not in December. lol
Anyway, I'll still watch it.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on November 30, 2019, 08:16:03 PM
Is Cronqvist norse?

Nearly. It's a Swedish name meaning "Crown Branch", usually associated with noble blood, which would make sense as he was the strategist for a knightly order back in the day. The name itself seems to refer to being a "branch" of the crown family; e.g nobility with royal connections.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on December 01, 2019, 10:57:11 PM
Thanks.  I’m gonna start thinking of him as Godbrand Cronqvist from now on haha.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 09, 2019, 09:12:40 PM
I should be excited for season 3, but I thought season 2 was just "eh".
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: The Puritan on December 10, 2019, 05:42:22 AM
Might be cool if a later season with a different Belmont (Simon or Richter) has an opening that recaps the origin of the Belmont clan, ala Phantom 2040. Excuse the low quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfbnObTEkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfbnObTEkw)
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: AlexCalvo on December 10, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
I'm kind of worried they're just gonna ape SoTN again, with Trevor and Sypha standing in for Richter and Maria, and Isaac for Shaft.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: KaZudra on December 11, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
I'm kind of worried they're just gonna ape SoTN again, with Trevor and Sypha standing in for Richter and Maria, and Isaac for Shaft.
I'm more worried if Netflix is gonna Axe/Censor it, seems to be Netflix's trademark of not knowing what's good for their own content.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Abnormal Freak on December 12, 2019, 02:11:46 PM
Does Netflix censor their shows though? 'Cos man, season 3 of GLOW was borderline pornographic. Watch it for AAA++++ tiddies 'n' azz and even a wanger or two.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: AlexCalvo on December 12, 2019, 08:52:05 PM
I'm more worried if Netflix is gonna Axe/Censor it, seems to be Netflix's trademark of not knowing what's good for their own content.
Meh... Way things are heading I'd be fine with them cutting it at 3 seasons.  I don't need more of the Belmonts playing second fiddle to Alucard.  Not interested.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on December 13, 2019, 03:32:38 AM
Meh... Way things are heading I'd be fine with them cutting it at 3 seasons.  I don't need more of the Belmonts playing second fiddle to Alucard.  Not interested.

I at least want a season that covers Old Man Christopher Belmont, since ol' Chris has always gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to the actual narrative of his story.

Hell, finish the show with a season that hits up Simon's Quest. First episode or two can cover the events of the first Castlevania, and at the end, we can finish the series with that iconic shot of Simon kneeling at Dracula's grave, a final end to the nightmare (in that timeline, at least).

One thing I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT is more focus on the Castlevania 3 cast beyond Trevor's involvement in Curse of Darkness, since it seems like we'll be getting a version of that next.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: angevil on December 14, 2019, 02:16:26 AM
I wish to see the Soma season! I love the Sorrow games.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 14, 2019, 03:49:52 AM
Meh... Way things are heading I'd be fine with them cutting it at 3 seasons.  I don't need more of the Belmonts playing second fiddle to Alucard.  Not interested.

The way I see it Trevor's central season was season 1 while Alucard got season 2 and its not like Trevor an the belmonts got completely neglected since we got the introduction of their sacred whip as well as a nod to their origins with Leon, I get that some fans prefer belmonts to everything but fact is Alucard is a fan favorite so its not that weird to see him to have gotten more focus this season after only having 1 episode in the one before it.

But its not like Alucard is in the entirety of CV events, if they adapt past season 3 than we can still get a possible CV1 or CV2 adaption with Simon Belmont or maybe even a CV Adventure adaption with Christopher, seems weird to give up on the show just because Alucard got some time to shine after only having 1 episode the previous Trevor oriented season.

Me personally I'm not giving up on this series just because my favorite character did not get time to always shine, I'm a huge Alucard but I did not complain once about Alucard only appearing proper at the end of season 1 and should it continue past season 3 I would totally be onboard with them adapting events that he isn't even in such as the ones I listed above with the hopes of them someday adapting all the major events through the series to the very end with the Sorrow games.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: AlexCalvo on December 14, 2019, 06:13:13 AM
You seem very impartial, Dark Prince Alucard.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 14, 2019, 06:19:22 AM
You seem very impartial, Dark Prince Alucard.

Thanks for glossing over my point about how I would be completely fine with a season without Alucard in it at all. :P

My point flew completely over your head but whatever lol.

Unlike yourself I'm not so blindly partial to the point of where I would be ok with the show being cancelled just because my favorite character did not get more screentime, just because I'm a Alucard fan does not mean I can't be impartial with the Anime and the events they adapt, you on the other hand seem to be the one incapable of being impartial since your willing to drop the show due to your character not getting the screentime you want him to have while I on the otherhand would be fine with newer seasons not having Alucard in it at all, to be honest I would want them to adapt the next few seasons towards events with Simon or Christopher and have Alucard take a long break until they eventually circle back to it with a hypothetical SOTN adaption.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: crisis on December 14, 2019, 06:44:23 AM
I thought it was completely out of place when Alucard made that penis joke. Like come on

Shoulda been reserved for someone like Grant*, whom was completely omitted from the series altogether. And I don’t think we’ll see Death at all, at least in a speaking role.

*if they’re using the excuse of “we didn’t know what to do with him,” well then, just make him the Han Solo of the series; someone that may not have no personal vendetta against Dracula but make him involved by association anyway, and towards the end have him play a viable role in his defeat like aiding the heroes in breaching the castle. That’s how I would’ve done it at least
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: X on December 14, 2019, 10:22:20 AM
I have no real issues with Alucard getting some more screen time. What I did have an issue with is that he was the one to deliver the fatal blow to Dracula. SotN was for Alucard to do that,  Not CV3. Trevor was the one to end Dracula in that game while the others lent him their assistance. I think this is also what AlexCalvo meant when he made his comment.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Belmontoya on December 14, 2019, 11:27:05 AM
I thought it was completely out of place when Alucard made that penis joke. Like come on

Shoulda been reserved for someone like Grant*, whom was completely omitted from the series altogether. And I don’t think we’ll see Death at all, at least in a speaking role.

*if they’re using the excuse of “we didn’t know what to do with him,” well then, just make him the Han Solo of the series; someone that may not have no personal vendetta against Dracula but make him involved by association anyway, and towards the end have him play a viable role in his defeat like aiding the heroes in breaching the castle. That’s how I would’ve done it at least

No time to figure out how to include Grant. But here's this guy named Godbrand that no one gives a dick about that gets all this screen time. Ugh.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on December 14, 2019, 02:20:37 PM
No time to figure out how to include Grant. But here's this guy named Godbrand that no one gives a dick about that gets all this screen time. Ugh.

Here's this guy named "Thinly Veiled Peter Stormare Who Is Always Welcome In Everything Because He's Hilarious and Has a Lot of International Appeal and Name Recognition". And Godbrand dies halfway through the season, so he's not actually there that long. He's also there so that Dracula's generals essentially have A voiced character, otherwise they're all mutes (which I'm ticked about, but I'll live).

Sorry but, they made the right call. Grant's most interesting stuff happens after Dracula's dead, and he doesn't really contribute that much to the fight. His greatest legacy is helping to rebuild and lead Wallachia after Dracula's death (which gets sabotaged just a few years later by Dracula's Curse, but he gave it the ole' college try, bless). Grant also has the unfortunate distinction of being a character that most players tend to skip over or drop asap, and routinely comes up in polls and surveys as the most forgettable of CV3's cast of characters, and he usually ranks poorly across the cast of the series as a whole, little better than guys like Maxim Kischne and Reinhardt Schneider.

By including Carmilla, Hector, and Isaac, they'd essentially maxed out on main characters. Adding more would have started to stretch the season, which already has rather a lot happening in a short span. By introducing Sticky Pirate to the main cast, they take time away from what's already happening to explain why he's important, and giving him enough screen time to make him feel like he contributes something. It also torpedoes the character dynamic between the 3 mains we already had and forces a new one to be developed, all of which takes time, and Season One is 4 half hour episodes and Season 2 is 8. Where do you suggest they put all that? It's not like they can phone up Netflix and be like "we need to grossly inflate the budget and get more episodes and add six months of production time because there's this one guy we HAVE to include". Most production companies aren't keen on people who ask that, either, so the very act of asking may have been Adi Shankar risking his job.

With the episodes they had to work with, cutting Grant was absolutely the right production decision. Nothing they could do would please everyone, but this was definitely the best compromise they could make.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Belmontoya on December 14, 2019, 03:14:12 PM
I just don't want to see Godbrand in anything ever is all.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: AlexCalvo on December 14, 2019, 05:24:02 PM
Thanks for glossing over my point about how I would be completely fine with a season without Alucard in it at all. :P

My point flew completely over your head but whatever lol.

Unlike yourself I'm not so blindly partial to the point of where I would be ok with the show being cancelled just because my favorite character did not get more screentime, just because I'm a Alucard fan does not mean I can't be impartial with the Anime and the events they adapt, you on the other hand seem to be the one incapable of being impartial since your willing to drop the show due to your character not getting the screentime you want him to have while I on the otherhand would be fine with newer seasons not having Alucard in it at all, to be honest I would want them to adapt the next few seasons towards events with Simon or Christopher and have Alucard take a long break until they eventually circle back to it with a hypothetical SOTN adaption.

Your fanboy is showing.  I never mentioned anything about screen time, nor is Trevor my favorite character.  He is however supposed to be at least useful in a fight against Dracula.  Stop making up opinions to fight against.  You're coming off as obscenely snooty.  And how gracious of you to be cool with them theoretically leaving Alucard out of stories he was never a part of...

I am not at all happy with the way they've taken this show, for many reasons, and as a life long fan of the games, I would prefer it just end, rather than continue to prattle on without respecting the source material. 🤷

You need to learn how to handle differing opinions.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 14, 2019, 06:04:11 PM
Your fanboy is showing.  I never mentioned anything about screen time, nor is Trevor my favorite character.  He is however supposed to be at least useful in a fight against Dracula.  Stop making up opinions to fight against.  You're coming off as obscenely snooty.  And how gracious of you to be cool with them theoretically leaving Alucard out of stories he was never a part of...

I am not at all happy with the way they've taken this show, for many reasons, and as a life long fan of the games, I would prefer it just end, rather than continue to prattle on without respecting the source material. 🤷

You need to learn how to handle differing opinions.

Your definition of fanboy is baffling, so because someone has a favorite character that means they are a fanboy who's opinion on anything related to that character automatically is biased and should be written off as nothing accordingly.....ok?

But we are having a discussion, I can handle differing opinions just fine and have being handling it just fine, I'm only calling it how I see it when it comes to you since you apparently felt the need to reply to my post insinuating that my opinion is mute since I can't be impartial when it comes to Alucard which is just BS for reasons I already listed, If I was the fanboy you so desperately want to portray me as I would have been complaining like crazy that Alucard only got 1 episode in season 1 or I would be asking them to somehow shoehorn Alucard into the events of Simon's or Christopher since after all this anime does already take liberties with the source material so why not?

My point is that I don't care if Alucard is the star of this show one bit, they can cut him out of the next season entirely and that would suit me just fine, my point was towards you apparently wanting the show to end just because you did not get what you want and I just find that weird and close-minded is all, thats just my opinion on the matter and you can disagree with that but if your coming here trying to muddy my opinion simply because I happen to have a username with Alucard in it than that is just the kind of logic I can't get behind and will call it out.

If I where having a conversation about Juste Belmont with someone who had Juste Belmont in their username I would not be be close-minded and simply call them nothing more than a fanboy who can't be impartial and thus their opinion is mute on the subject, just not the way I would handle things but clearly your different.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Belmontoya on December 14, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Here's this guy named "Thinly Veiled Peter Stormare Who Is Always Welcome In Everything Because He's Hilarious and Has a Lot of International Appeal and Name Recognition". And Godbrand dies halfway through the season, so he's not actually there that long. He's also there so that Dracula's generals essentially have A voiced character, otherwise they're all mutes (which I'm ticked about, but I'll live).

Sorry but, they made the right call. Grant's most interesting stuff happens after Dracula's dead, and he doesn't really contribute that much to the fight. His greatest legacy is helping to rebuild and lead Wallachia after Dracula's death (which gets sabotaged just a few years later by Dracula's Curse, but he gave it the ole' college try, bless). Grant also has the unfortunate distinction of being a character that most players tend to skip over or drop asap, and routinely comes up in polls and surveys as the most forgettable of CV3's cast of characters, and he usually ranks poorly across the cast of the series as a whole, little better than guys like Maxim Kischne and Reinhardt Schneider.

By including Carmilla, Hector, and Isaac, they'd essentially maxed out on main characters. Adding more would have started to stretch the season, which already has rather a lot happening in a short span. By introducing Sticky Pirate to the main cast, they take time away from what's already happening to explain why he's important, and giving him enough screen time to make him feel like he contributes something. It also torpedoes the character dynamic between the 3 mains we already had and forces a new one to be developed, all of which takes time, and Season One is 4 half hour episodes and Season 2 is 8. Where do you suggest they put all that? It's not like they can phone up Netflix and be like "we need to grossly inflate the budget and get more episodes and add six months of production time because there's this one guy we HAVE to include". Most production companies aren't keen on people who ask that, either, so the very act of asking may have been Adi Shankar risking his job.

With the episodes they had to work with, cutting Grant was absolutely the right production decision. Nothing they could do would please everyone, but this was definitely the best compromise they could make.

Nah I don't agree.

Grant should have been introduced as a cursed villain like he is in cv3. This could have been a great character evolution to unfold and sidesteps the problem of introducing too many heroes at once in a season.

It can't be a matter of too many characters when they are adding in their own crappy characters like Godbrand who would fit in better with the WWF than he does CV. That excuse is nullified by his very existence. Grant could have filled the role they decided to give to him. It was just a bad call imo.

Sort of like not using any CV theme in the music until season two and then when they do it's a Simon's Quest theme and not a CV3 theme was a bad call.

But what do I know. It's all good either way. I just like to make fun of Godbrand.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: X on December 15, 2019, 11:07:50 AM
They could have left out Carmilla. Her character isn't supposed to appear in the CV universe until Simon's Quest (which interestingly enough takes place only a few years after the original Carmilla novel) and makes sense chronologically. And I can see that having introduce Grant by means of an enemy (his cursed form), to freeing him from said curse would allow the character some substance. There could have been a couple of a episodes for Grant;

Episode 1) introduction of monster Grant/conflict/freed from the curse.

Episode 2) Grant tells the tragic story of his family's demise by Dracula/Goes back to town to help the villagers defend against further undead assaults.

Even if he never travelled with Trevor and Co. they could have still Incorporated his character into the series, even if it was only a small role. It should also be noted that Grant isn't a pirate as the US brands him out to be. Even in the US version the ending sequence calls him an 'Acrobat'. This would mean that he is a performer of sorts, wielding knives and doing all sorts of crazy mid-air stunts to wow the crowds. Grant and his family could have most likely been Gypsies travelling through Transylvania and encountered Dracula's forces by accident. And thus we are left with an entire caravan decimated, its people slaughtered, and a lone man now cursed to serve Dracula. This also seems to make more sense as the Black sea is somewhat landlocked and would not make for good pirate prowling. Especially since the only way out is through the port of Istanbul. Not going to happen during such a turbulent time.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on December 15, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
My expectation for the season is that it will show Alucard going down a dark path now that he's the master of Dracula's Castle.  Trevor might have to put him in his place haha.  Then he would probably put himself into that centuries long slumber because he can't trust himself to be among humans or something.  Then sprinkle in all the other stuff that's going on with Carmilla, the Devil Forgemasters, and Grant.  Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Thunderbrand on December 16, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
Keep in mind that the show is written by someone who's never played the games, and probably doesn't have the same emotional ties to the CV universe that hardcore fans do. That could help explain the absence of Grant, the introduction of Carmilla earlier than she was in the games, and Godbrand and all his bullshit, etc. Also, who's to say Grant won't be in season 3? There are a LOT of open ended scenarios to play out.

Speaking of Godbrand, I think he was an important character for several reasons. First and foremost, you needed to have an outspoken general who questioned the status quo. This sets up ways to not only show Dracula's authority, but it highlighted his preferential regard for Hector and Isaac and clarified their position in Drac's court. Think about it - if you're a centuries-old, powerful vampire lord, are you going to be happy taking orders from a human? Probably not. Most of the court fell in line, but Godbrand challenged the the whole methodology of the war effort. That was necessary. Furthermore, it allowed us to see an important side of Carmilla, wherein her hidden motives were revealed through Godbrand acting out his frustrations.

While basically an annoying boob, Godbrand had some key value IMHO.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Hiryu on December 16, 2019, 09:26:19 PM
Thought it was a quality show. Things seemed rushed at the end...bust down Drac's front door and here we go, but I guess they didn't know if there was gonna be a 3rd season at the time. I was always a fan at how expansive the castle was from the backgrounds in SotN and imagined it would take a day or more to traverse it on foot. I'm looking forward to next season.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Flame on December 22, 2019, 12:26:22 PM
I'm late to this conversation but I always felt the whole Dracula is Mathias thing was a bit limiting. It was neat to tie Dracula to a dramatic betrayal with Leon, and that was all fun, but there's something to be said about the character having a bit more mystique before that, when you just assumed he was the actual Vlad Dracula, and his transformation into Dracula the vampire was unknown dark sorcery. It never needed to be explained. kind of like "the force" in Star Wars didn't need to be explained as "lol midichlorians"

Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Nagumo on December 23, 2019, 11:01:45 AM
I don't really mind LoI's origin story though you could argue that at best it's unneccesary and at worst makes Dracula's character arc more convoluted that it needs to be. The personal connection between Dracula and the Belmonts is interesting but ultimately doesn't matter. It isn't like there wasn't any incentive for the Belmonts to go and stop Dracula in the earlier games. You could skip LoI, read the Japanese intro for CV3 and be all caught up as far as the state of the world is concerned. "Dracula is an evil tyrant who wants to take over the world and the Belmonts want to stop him because fighting monsters is their job." There really isn't anything more that needs to be revealed about both parties.  It's also telling that none of the later games in the timeline have ever referenced Dracula's original identity of Mathias Cronqvist because there simply isn't any reason to from a story perspective. Everything you need to know about his character you could learn from either CV3's opening crawl or alternatively from his retconned backstory as told in SotN. I think SotN actually adds more to Dracula's character than LoI despite technically not being an origin story. Dracula got changed from a generic bad guy who wants power for power's sake into a more humanised figure who turns evil because he was treated unfairly. I always thought it was kind of unimaginative LoI simply repeats the same plot point. On top of that it makes things unnecessarily complicated because it resulted in there being two points in the timeline where Dracula undergoes a transformation into being a villian. It's not like his first transformation has any effect on his second one. You could scrap the first one and it wouldn't affect the second. I think it's also sort of jarring that after Dracula's first villainous turn, he goes on to marry Lisa who has some strong Virgin Mary/Christian martyr vibes going on. It would have been neater from a character writing perspective if Dracula's transformation into a vampire wasn't tied to his transformation into being a villian. That way there wouldn't be any need to backtrack on Dracula's character development in order for his marriage to Lisa to work.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: X on December 25, 2019, 12:17:07 PM
I personally feel that LoI was IGAs knee-jerk reaction to Legends. Before legends came out there was no word or thought of an origin story for CV. CVIII was essentially the origin story of the Belmont's first clash against Dracula. LoI was unnecessary in that regard amongst other reasons as well.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on January 12, 2020, 12:55:28 PM
Not that this is news, but they confirmed season 3 is coming out in 2020.  No hints as to what date, but there’s always a chance it could come out around Halloween.  Yay, the season is an extra two episodes long, but we might have to wait a whole extra year to get it?  Oh well.  Still not nearly as long as we had to wait for the first season after it was announce lol.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/winteriscoming.net/2020/01/08/looks-like-castlevania-season-3-coming-year/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/winteriscoming.net/2020/01/08/looks-like-castlevania-season-3-coming-year/amp/)
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Chernabogue on January 12, 2020, 01:36:11 PM
Netflix (at least the French account) recently teased season 3 coming soon (along other shows). IMO, we should get the new season in the next couple of months.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on January 12, 2020, 04:40:50 PM
It would be nice to see more of the show, despite the little problems I might have with it. Though I must admit, should the show be without Dracula, it would feel quite hollow. He's the central character and I really, really do not want to see either Isaac or Carmilla to be the new main villain.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: crisis on January 12, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
I’m assuming they are going to loosely adapt the plot of Curse of Darkness in season 3. They already set up Hector & Isaac so it makes sense. Hopefully we will see Death too
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 12, 2020, 09:09:19 PM
I’m assuming they are going to loosely adapt the plot of Curse of Darkness in season 3. They already set up Hector & Isaac so it makes sense. Hopefully we will see Death too

At this point if we don't see Death its really going to dampen season 3 for me, I can somewhat forgive Grant not being present in the past 2 seasons since he isn't a HUGE part of the CV lore in general but Death is a absolute core element in the mythos of CV and has pretty much been in every single game even the earliest timeline wise LOI which saw the birth of Dracula, having him not be a part of this show just makes you feel like something is "missing" as a CV fan and I hope they finally bring in Death.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: crisis on January 13, 2020, 11:17:30 AM
If they decide to use Death, then I don’t think they will give him a speaking role. He will probably just be another obstacle the gang must overcome*, which I’m not too sure how I would feel about that because it is technically still accurate to the character itself

Death didn’t have any dialogue at all in the Aria/Dawn of Sorrow games, which was odd considering how the overall narrative of the series lore expanded upon him by showing his utter loyalty to Dracula & his manipulation of events/characters. So if the show omits his “personality,” it’s going to be kinda weird, but kinda not at the same time

*unless they include him as Zead, which is possible although that may be too “on the nose”
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on January 13, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
Including Death would be very nice, but I have little hopes of them actually doing so - I could more see it that the Netflix-Isaac somehow models himself after the Grim Reaper, becoming "Death" or somesuch, to make him more intimidating and viable as a main antagonist, because as much as I hope for it, I am pretty certain they will not bring Dracula back as the main villain.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Gaawa-chan on January 13, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
Death

Actually, I suspect that in the Netflix adaptation, Isaac IS Death... just not quite fully so yet.  He essentially fills the role of the right-hand man with ties to undeath, his personality in the show is MUCH closer to Death than to Isaac, and he even looks a bit more like Zead than Isaac.

Show Isaac is almost certainly a fusion of Isaac conceptually (human on Dracula's side with a beef against Hector) and Death in execution (behavior, probably abilities in the future, his relationship with Dracula, his actions, if the eyes indicate who forged what creatures then Isaac forged Slogra and Gaibon, etc).  I don't expect that to change; Isaac may become some sort of lich creature or something in the future to reflect this... I would not be surprised AT ALL if this happens.  It would also explain the completely different personalities between game and show Isaac; the writer probably wanted to incorporate Death, but thought that having the grim reaper working for Dracula was silly, so he looked for another character in canon that he could paste Death onto and landed on Isaac.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on January 16, 2020, 03:35:44 PM
interesting thought.  reminds me of zobek, who seems to be a death-shaft mashup (and is just as unsatisfying unfortunately)
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Gaawa-chan on January 17, 2020, 08:08:10 PM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/first-castlevania-season-3-image-revealed-shows-of/1100-6472868/ (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/first-castlevania-season-3-image-revealed-shows-of/1100-6472868/)
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Scarlet starlet on January 18, 2020, 02:08:24 AM
lol
Idk how to feel about this. I just hope they don't ruin any more characters from the series so as long as they strafe away from the games by making entirely new characters things should be ok
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: X on January 18, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
CoD was already a bit of a cock-up; having been shoehorned into the series and being an unnecessary addition to CV3. If the director chooses to do something a bit different with season 3 then I say let's let him. Who knows, it might work out better.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on January 19, 2020, 05:05:58 PM
I wouldn't mind the addition of new, original characters. I liked Isaacs interpretation (even though I liked the original better) and I liked Godbrand as well. I wish the other members of Dracula's court would've been given slightly bigger roles, so maybe we'll get something like that with the addition of the new characters.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on January 19, 2020, 09:42:55 PM
I’ll be a little disappointed if one of these ladies isn’t Laura or she otherwise doesn’t appear.  i’d have to guess it would be the left most one if any just cause she looks the most “innocent”.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Foffy on January 21, 2020, 09:10:02 PM
I wouldn't mind the addition of new, original characters. I liked Isaacs interpretation (even though I liked the original better) and I liked Godbrand as well. I wish the other members of Dracula's court would've been given slightly bigger roles, so maybe we'll get something like that with the addition of the new characters.

I'm hoping if they're going to try to do their own thing with this season that they develop the cast of new characters. One of the weaker things about season 2 was that the cast of vampires just seemed to be ethnically diverse, and at least two of those characters never talked. I think you had to Google to even figure out what their names are.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on January 21, 2020, 10:46:30 PM
hmm, i wouldn’t mind some comic book spinoff to help develop that diverse vampire cast a little.  or maybe an expanded novelization?
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: crisis on January 22, 2020, 03:31:28 PM
I wouldn’t count on it. We’ll probably only get brief character bios on the website & that’s about it
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on January 22, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
I wouldn’t count on it. We’ll probably only get brief character bios on the website & that’s about it

While I can see that happening, I hope it doesn't. I liked Godbrand and would've liked more characterization for the other Generals, as well.

Also, on a random side note, the names they chose for the Generals were beyond stupid. "Zufall"... Like, really? You're gonna name the German vampire "Coincidence"? Castlevania gave us proper German names like Walter Bernhard and Brauner, and then we get freaking Zufall.
Title: Re: Castlevania Season 3
Post by: aensland on January 22, 2020, 08:05:59 PM
having been shoehorned into the series and being an unnecessary addition to CV
wow, just like the animation itself!