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Title: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Foffy on December 27, 2019, 11:32:49 PM
Not content with the only Castlevania experience on phones being Grimoire of Souls, we have a blatant game from China that is very, very, very inspired by Castlevania. To the point of committing copyright infringement on sounds and music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xS77uNeBhA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xS77uNeBhA)

If you want to try it, I'm including the link here (https://castlevania-code-c.en.uptodown.com/android?utm_source=youtube.com&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=traffic_ac). Even the link uses the Castlevania name...

It's fair to assume Konami did not approve of this, yeah? :P
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: X on December 28, 2019, 10:13:49 AM
China's going through a lot of political bulls**t right now to say the least. I seriously doubt that Konami is going to have any say or sway should the issue of copyright infringement arise. We're talking about a government that doesn't support human rights at the moment, let alone worrying about some foreign corporate entity that can't even touch 'em on any real level. But you're right, that game is definitely using Konami-owned assets as SotN's music is in that game. Doesn't help its cause either that the protagonist looks almost identical to Richter. But waaay too pretty-looking  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on December 29, 2019, 06:02:42 PM
In a rare case of "Konami actually has every fucking right to sue and they damn well should", they really need to slam this dev down with the full force of their lawyers. Stolen assets? Stolen brand name? Jeez. Nothing fair use about this.

Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Gunlord on December 29, 2019, 11:43:51 PM
I don't understand why they went through the trouble to change the characters somewhat when they just straight-up ripped the music from SotN.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Scarlet starlet on December 30, 2019, 05:33:53 AM
Maybe they're only using SOTN music as a placeholder.
Looks interesting.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Foffy on December 31, 2019, 03:16:59 PM
I'm not sure about that. If you look at the artwork of the game, literally every character is based off of a Castlevania character in a painfully clear way. One quick glance and most of the cast and you realize they have Richter, Shanoa, Maria, Alucard, Yoko, it goes on and on.

I don't know Chinese, but I wouldn't even be shocked if they reused the names, too! Makes me wonder why Konami didn't just let Tencent make a Castlevania game themselves, seeing as this uses their QQ service. :P
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: thernz on January 02, 2020, 12:39:56 AM
that's like saying why doesnt konami let twitter make a castlevania game, bc a game uses twitter integration lol
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Foffy on January 02, 2020, 12:50:25 AM
that's like saying why doesnt konami let twitter make a castlevania game, bc a game uses twitter integration lol

Not really, seeing as Tencent is known for using the IPs of other famous companies and worked with Konami for the mobile Contra game. My point was they already had a partner to work with if they wanted to make a Chinese-focused Castlevania game. I might have not made that clear originally, but there was more to my assumption of Tencent.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: whipsmemory on January 02, 2020, 11:56:29 AM
I dont see any problem coming at them when Konami has been well aware about some german guy selling bootlegs prints of  Dracula X on Super CdRom2 off the web FOR YEARS, even making runs of limited special edition using all sorts of artworks and other copyrighted materials besides the game itself. Its ridicolous. At least this game looks somewhat original and looks actually pretty good
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 02, 2020, 10:05:08 PM
I dont see any problem coming at them when Konami has been well aware about some german guy selling bootlegs prints of  Dracula X on Super CdRom2 off the web FOR YEARS, even making runs of limited special edition using all sorts of artworks and other copyrighted materials besides the game itself. Its ridicolous. At least this game looks somewhat original and looks actually pretty good
"Somewhat" being the operative word. Haha
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Aceearly1993 on January 04, 2020, 05:11:07 PM
The thing is: they did get the right to use the IP but did not get the right to use the series' staple characters, thus caused this awkward combination to occur. Did not plan to keep an eye on these though
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Foffy on January 05, 2020, 05:25:43 AM
The thing is: they did get the right to use the IP but did not get the right to use the series' staple characters, thus caused this awkward combination to occur. Did not plan to keep an eye on these though

You're referring to Code C? Where did you find this out?
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Aceearly1993 on January 05, 2020, 04:05:35 PM
You're referring to Code C? Where did you find this out?
-yes

-One of my friends just happened to know the details
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Foffy on January 05, 2020, 06:25:28 PM
-yes

-One of my friends just happened to know the details

I'd love to know more about this deal. Can you ask your friend how he learned of this? I presume it'd be a press release, however unlike other deals with major IPs, I don't see the major IP holder being referenced in the credits to the game, unlike titles like Monster Hunter Online and Contra Returns. My first assumption was to assume "rip off" and not "licensed out Castlevania game with caveats" simply because there's no Konami logo to be found.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Aceearly1993 on January 06, 2020, 09:05:12 PM
I'd love to know more about this deal.

He said:
“The Code C team paid a decent amount of copyright fee to Konami for usage of Castlevania IP, but as the copyright of Ayami Kojima artworks in the Ayami-involved games currently belongs to Ayami herself and not Konami they couldn't make the deal”
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Foffy on January 06, 2020, 11:16:19 PM
The Code C team paid a decent amount of copyright fee to Konami for usage of Castlevania IP, but as the copyright of Ayami Kojima artworks in the Ayami-involved games currently belongs to Ayami herself and not Konami they couldn't make the deal

So if I am understanding this right, Konami has to give her money if they want to use the characters she made? But she didn't make Alucard and Richter aside from their SotN looks, and she surely didn't make Shanoa...
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: AlexCalvo on January 07, 2020, 12:23:34 PM
So if I am understanding this right, Konami has to give her money if they want to use the characters she made? But she didn't make Alucard and Richter aside from their SotN looks, and she surely didn't make Shanoa...
I'm really not buying this guy's story in the slightest...
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: LuxKiller65 on January 24, 2020, 07:58:32 PM
This is a little too obvious even for Chinese standards. They may announce the details later. There's not enough internet presence or information to judge with certainty as of today.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Nagumo on January 25, 2020, 07:54:53 AM
It could also be a branding thing. It's possible the developers acquired the license from Konami but decided to market the game under a different title. I could be wrong, but I don't think Chinese people have any strong associations with either 'Castlevania' or 'Demon Castle Dracula' so it would make sense to market it under a different title.Then again, you would except the Konami logo to show up somewhere....

edit: Code C could also be a temporary title. It seems what was released is just a beta test.

Has anyone tried translating the characters' names?
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: X on January 25, 2020, 10:58:18 AM
We could ask Shiroi since she does translate Japanese and the Chinese alphabet is used in Japan.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: LuxKiller65 on January 25, 2020, 08:05:04 PM
I have a hard time believing that this is being done without Konami's approval/supervision. Gotta get used to China getting exclusive games, or getting at least translated games early on. Just because it's in Chinese doesn't mean it's illegal.

Also, note at 3:25 in the video, all the characters speak Japanese. If this is an illegal rip-off for the Chinese market, hats off to the producer for spending time and money doing proper Japanese voice-overs just for the sake of it. I just don't believe it much lol. The whole thing looks way too good to be an unlicensed game by some basement devs in Chengdu.

The characters are:
艾维斯 - Yves?
雷诺德 - Reynolds?
沃利斯 - Wallis?
里德 - Reed?
莉娅 - Lia?
格蕾莎 - Gretha?
洛伦 - Loren?
妖精 - Fairy?

(https://hfpfua.dm.files.1drv.com/y4m5aQZ4BUjVfK0r3nn4aqwPDrMrz1mt8zwE2q7mLiV4A2-z4wrh8hWCG5LHG2EYntU1BKdmM9dQFy5c2b7MDrfZq00md9v450eqCjRDLMpWweY4wcVZZ5juTihwKmSNxRczHhvPnzyCsgXovAM2gp39WYVmBaAPllXNm29doLUa2tNohoSioe5IWqYh2xiAobwwTVFiOXhIsUaByLzDIemwA?width=660&height=342&cropmode=none)
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Nagumo on January 26, 2020, 01:59:30 AM
So that would be:

Ives
Reynolds
Wallis
Reed
Lia
Gretha
Loren
Fairy

What about the characters which seem directly taken from previous games? I'm pretty sure I saw Alucard, Shanoa and Yoko. Not sure if that's what they're called, though.

Edit: Seems like the Alucard figure is called "mysterious man".
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: LuxKiller65 on January 26, 2020, 06:06:57 AM
There are 9 characters displayed, the first one being Yves:
阿尔帕德 - Alucard?
里夏德 - Richter?
莉娅 - Lia?
枫 - Maple?
麦尔斯 - Myers?
萨拉 - Sara?
龙兰达 - Loretta?
弗洛丽 - Florie?

(https://gvpfua.dm.files.1drv.com/y4mo89Cw6T8HlnCiSpUSJSk28Jyflv5ZQqt5XmLUjKqiUblHOG-2wuW1X8E3xS0iLlEjmV_SuqYBCy8IcuJU9XKmhoVBP6gNu_n2hy34JKTi2yNoKcJTxnj_CT_0G_hQHZJ988bHA5BQNupRulYxY6rOQQkUGyC4J7vh0NOl5DpxfvBoWs3Ikiky_9jRA1rP-HUVR6T767s9TPPj3DoWfVLSw?width=660&height=424&cropmode=none)

And for those who didn't notice, when Richter finishes his special slam move, a firey-golden Simon Belmont is cast behind him. You can tell from the boots, the long blond hair and the headband.

(https://hppfua.dm.files.1drv.com/y4m5MWAwmykKfxYXr-3yf_evqRZQBa8MRTU4Ag3RP8_QQWLo5AVpplv1wU5lsNXseOXzJXXFKLYrVFRsl8LCixoMBRkFUwaQlUslrB1uF-tedGlH0Vzg4OXoEnKdCm8hnbHljP0-nZX-xixmGN1yZ1K4zqfjEM60L75Oef-WCNVv-4OjjiKd71x583rbJDLoKT5rflQHlyJ1w82_K2iVXjpfw?width=392&height=291&cropmode=none)

Myers summons a Flying Bone, and Loretta is an obvious reference to succubus.
Pretty sure there are other references in the special moves, I'm just not expert enough, especially with the more recent titles.

All characters here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQn_vLmOm4Q&t=9m52s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQn_vLmOm4Q&t=9m52s)

It would be lame if the game were to be released with SotN's soundtrack. Hopefully it's just placeholder while someone's composing the ost. ;)
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Nagumo on January 26, 2020, 08:07:34 AM
枫 - Maple?

Apparently, you can use this kanji to write Yoko in Chinese.

The story is very blatantly Castlevania as well. The first line of the intro mentions the 100-year legend. No direct mention of Dracula though, the antagonist is just referred to as the Demon King. 

Edit: Richter also says his "Die monster! You don't belong in this world!" line, or at least the Japanese equivalent of it.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Dracula9 on January 26, 2020, 08:50:03 AM
Quote
枫 - Maple?

guys its a maple story haha
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: LuxKiller65 on January 26, 2020, 05:54:07 PM
her hot air balloons are filled with maple syrup
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on January 26, 2020, 06:51:54 PM
Well, at this point I'm kind of hoping this makes it to America at this point. Extra kudos for managing an anime-esque aesthetic and NAILING it. Take notes, Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Foffy on January 26, 2020, 08:59:36 PM
I know the game installs with the games folders quite literally named "castlevaniatest" but I imagine that was because this was a small test, probably a beta/server test. If they wanted to avoid issues with Konami and do not have the rights to the IP, having the game install itself with such a name is not a good look.

Additionally, in the clip that shows all of the playable characters, the character who looks like Richter sounds like Richter, and uses the same SotN lines. Wow.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 27, 2020, 03:02:28 AM
We could ask Shiroi since she does translate Japanese and the Chinese alphabet is used in Japan.

I'm extremely bad in Chinese. I pronounce the Chinese characters in Japanese. ><
The character names require Chinese pronunciations and Google translate seems to nail it (except for Yoko, lol)
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Solo on January 27, 2020, 05:43:18 AM
So, what exactly confirms that this is a copy and not a product by Konami at least in some degree? I could understand, it wouldn't be the first ripoff Castlevania game for mobile but why do they apparently have the same engine? Ignoring the suspicious name/characters, it looks like a mod/sequel/spinoff to GoS.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Nagumo on January 27, 2020, 07:26:10 AM
So, what exactly confirms that this is a copy and not a product by Konami at least in some degree?

Nothing, some people just automatically dismissed it as a knock-off just because it's from China. 
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Solo on January 27, 2020, 09:02:37 AM
Nothing, some people just automatically dismissed it as a knock-off just because it's from China.

In that case as far as we know it should pretty much be a wip official game, i'm fine with that.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 28, 2020, 07:34:47 PM
Does someone have something, anything to show Konami themselves acknowledging this game?

2+2 doesn't equal 5.

I wouldn't assume this game has anything to do with Castlevania until you hear it from the horses mouth.

My thoughts: this was probably a game being developed and pitched to Konami. Konami may have passed and now the developer is re-branding it.

There is nothing consistent with konami about how this game has been announced. And it would be foolish for them to let this come into the public and muddy the waters right as they are about to release grimoir of souls.

Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Solo on January 29, 2020, 03:58:15 AM
Does someone have something, anything to show Konami themselves acknowledging this game?

As much as they have to say they DON'T. Judging the book by the cover, it must, it's literally GoS's engine, or you think some random company decided to do a game with the same feel, art style, gameplay and engine from scratch and "steal" Konami's property, smart move, Grimoire of Souls is being such a hit (/sarcasm).
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: SecretWeapon on January 29, 2020, 07:04:33 AM
I'm unsure of it being the same engine. And yeah, given Konami's lack of mention about it, it cannot be said it's official. However, given their FABULOUS track record regarding the mobile CVs, it's hard to say it IS NOT either.

I kinda hope it is tho. Their Yoko looks fab
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 29, 2020, 09:17:57 AM
As much as they have to say they DON'T. Judging the book by the cover, it must, it's literally GoS's engine, or you think some random company decided to do a game with the same feel, art style, gameplay and engine from scratch and "steal" Konami's property, smart move, Grimoire of Souls is being such a hit (/sarcasm).

As I said above, I think they probably developed this as a pitch to Konami, but that Konami may have passed on it. Which explains all of the above.

I would be happy to be wrong because it looks pretty cool.

However I don't think it's wise to get our hopes up without a single murmur of this from Konami.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: AlexCalvo on January 30, 2020, 06:32:10 AM
Code C certainly sounds like a lame smokescreen title for a Castlevania game.  At the same time it is weird that there is absolutely no word from Konami.  But then again, I remember when Lords of Shadow was just some new IP that seemed to borrow heavily from Castlevania ideas.
Title: Re: Code C (a blatant Chinese knockoff of Castlevania for mobile)
Post by: FlyingMudBlock on February 16, 2020, 02:20:26 AM
I ripped all the recent models from this game, i converted them to .fbx format for easy viewing.
But i kinda messed up with the NPC animations(i combined all of the animations on all characters by accident) so expect to see some funky stuff there.

Player:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/d3aacxea5c2h7pk/Player.rar/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/d3aacxea5c2h7pk/Player.rar/file)

NPC:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/vfi1dm646gfu08i/Npc.rar/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/vfi1dm646gfu08i/Npc.rar/file)

Weapon:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/uk0d7hkwtgteb2f/Weapon.rar/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/uk0d7hkwtgteb2f/Weapon.rar/file)

Enemy:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/k8tvnrdw7mfkshv/Enemy.rar/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/k8tvnrdw7mfkshv/Enemy.rar/file)

Boss:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/w2jkc6ak614tyu2/Boss.rar/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/w2jkc6ak614tyu2/Boss.rar/file)

Enjoy.