Topic: Death's Role in the Sorrow games

[Archangel]

I believe Death wasn't even affiliated with Walter to begin with.         

Didn´t Walter say that Death had betrayed him? They must have been in league to some extend. I always thought Walter and his Ebony Stone just served as some sort of place holder until someone shows up with the Crimson Stone. Maybe Death had a partnership with Walter, just because he´s the strongest beeing around, but when Mathias found/used the Crimson Stone, he had no other choice but to take orders from him....
OR Death knew what would happen in the future.... that Mathias/Dracula would rage war on humanity (perhabs he orchestrated everything from the beginning?).

What would bring Death more souls? Some lazy Vampire that lures only one, two Hunters per Month into his castle? Or a Vampire that kills thousands of innocent beeings? Think about it.

[darkwzrd4]

I believe that Death was loyal to the owner of the Crimson Stone from the moment it was created.  I also believe that Mathias and Death were working together from the beginning to manipulate Walter and the others.  Death probably acted like he was loyal to Walter so that he could keep an eye on him in order to be near by to collect his soul when he is killed by Leon.  As Mathias said after he shows up: "not just you.  Sara, Walter, and Rinaldo.  I used all of you."

Oh and by the way, for those of you who think that Death wants to become a god, he already is one.  He is the "God of Death".  And while he is a god, for some reason he as sworn his loyalty to whoever possess the Crimson Stone.

[crisis]

Yeah, upon defeat Walter exclaims to Death, "you betrayed me!"

[DragonSlayr81]

He never said "You betrayed me!" to Death. Walter said that to MATHIAS. Mathias made the pact with Walter, telling him of a warrior who was one of the best of all the land(Leon), and Walter wanted a fitting challenge. Mathias told Walter of Sara, and how to provoke Leon. But, Mathias knew that Leon would find a means DESTORY Walter, and on the point of death, Mathias would claim Walter's soul for himself, becoming the new vampire lord. Death was a servent to the one who held the Crimson Stone, hence was Mathias's servent. But, Death couldn't claim Walter's soul for Mathias UNTIL he was weakened to the point near death(because he was said to be an extremely powerful vampire). 

[crisis]

Yes, you're right. Been a long time since I played Lament, lol

[Reinhart77]

he said that to Mathias?  i always thought Death was "pretending" to follow the one who possessed the Ebony Stone, but in reality was following the one that possessed the Crimson Stone.  I'll have to re-evaluate that thought.  gosh, i wish we could get the Lament of Innocence cell phone manga in English.

[DragonSlayr81]

It was Mathias. Walter references how he met with a knight who told him about Leon. He says something like, "Just as the knight had said.". He didn't mean Leon, and their's no other knights present to have warned him about Leon either. Mathias was around, and he hinted to Walter about Leon. It was obvious that he WAS following you(you see his invisible form after the battle with Joachim). Mathias used both Leon AND Walter to attain his goal. That's why he BETRAYED Walter. Though, to be fair, he also betrayed Leon too. Prior to that, it's never alluded to that Death serves Walter. The only info we are give about Death in LoI is that he serves the one who holds the Crimson Stone, and Walter, frankly, NEVER had the Crimson Stone to begin with.

[Archangel]

Thanks Reinhardt, that´s what I tried to say. ^^

Both, the Ebony and Crimson went missing according to Rinaldo. While the Crimson Stone was still missing, Death followed the one who had the lesser Ebony Stone until Mathias showed up.

@DragonSlayr81

Why should Walter said this to Mathias? He wasn´t even there until Death took the Vampire´s soul.
@ 2:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T_NAoEAn_k&feature=related