Topic: Why did Elizabetha's death make Mathias turn evil?

[Successor The Cruel]

Oh man, I remember Successor me helping find a guy who owned this thing and could translate it, but eventually he just disappeared after he had promised to do it no less. He didn't even bother to upload the scans so I could find somebody else to do the translation.  

Well, he didn't necessarily "disappear". He's still around and I still talk to him. He just basically flaked and decided not to do it, I guess *shrug*

Also, he didn't upload the scans because he wasn't aware how to transfer them from his phone to his PC. And I don't really know how to do that, either, and it's totally impractical for me to find out how because I don't have his phone with the scans to fiddle with. Alas, we end up with nothing... but, I imagine that guy knows how the story goes, but he didn't seem to care that much.

[Flame]

Would it be possible for you to save it to a thumb drive and send it to one of us?

Like Flame said, this thing is impossible to find.  If we could actually get ahold of a copy, it would be like pure gold lol.

I said what?

[Tobias]

Commenting on the original question...

As others have said, Mathias became "evil" when God "ignored" all he had done in His service during the Crusade and let Elizabetha die.  Doing it by becoming a vampire and taking control of Death was in effect the biggest "F-U" he was able to come up with.

By becoming a vampire, he declared that he would no longer be held to natural laws, such as those that took his wife from him.

However, it is arguable as to how "Evil" Mathias was at this point and for the next 2-3 hundred years.  He was responsible for Leon's suffering, but he could justify the purpose of it and offer immortality to Leon as compensation for his loss.  Mathias didn't become utterly evil until human's killed Alucard's mother a few centuries after he originally became a vampire.  That second loss is what sent him over the deep end.

However, while I understand why the loss of his wives did what they did, his reactions are rather extreme.

He cuts off his nose to spite his face in becoming a vampire over Elizabetha's death.  He loses his wife so he's going to make his best friend suffer the way he has and become a creature that preys on the innocent in order to get back at God?  Pardon?  Then he hides for a few hundred years so Leon's family doesn't track him down over some little grudge they've built up, before deciding to set up a small kingdom and going mad when he loses another wife.

I find Mathias' story interesting, but I'm not a fan for his reason for his original change simply because it then leaves a centuries long gap where he isn't being actively "evil" since his war is with God, not man.  I'm just downloading Resurrection now, so I don't feel I can make a full comparision between Mathias and Gabriel just yet, but Gabriel seems far more sympathetic by the end of Reverie than Mathias ever is.

[Claimh Solais]

Would it be possible for you to save it to a thumb drive and send it to one of us?

Like Flame said, this thing is impossible to find.  If we could actually get ahold of a copy, it would be like pure gold lol.

Yeah, 1GB thumb-drives are like, five bucks where I live, 2GB's costing about a few bucks more. So it's not really a question of money. But right now it's more of a question of time (got lots to do here at home, plus school), and actual transportation (I don't own a car, nor a license).

Plus I finally got into the folder without my computer crashing and remembered they're all separated into frames. >.< I'll repiece them (I arranged them by page) and somehow load it up online.

[darkwzrd4]

Mathias is kind of immature.  Instead of grieving and moving on, he lashes out at those who wronged him.  Kind of childish, don't you think?  Look at Leon.  Yes, he slaughtered Walter and vowed that he and his family would hunt Mathias, but he apparently moved on with his life.  The fact is that both Leon and Mathias lost people they loved, but only one of them lost his humanity.  If Mathias was a "real" man, he would have grieved and then moved on.  I'm not saying that losing someone you love isn't painful, but you move on.  Mathias didn't.  At least, not until he met Lisa and then he went ape shit when she died.

Instead of deciding to eliminate all humans, he should have been there for Alucard and after grieving, move on.  There's not reason a vampire can't like a relatively peaceful life.  If he needs blood, he could simply go after criminals and them kill them when he finishes feeding.  Doing that would be a win-win: he would be able to feed and at the same time, rid the area of a criminal.

[Claimh Solais]

Mathias is kind of immature.  Instead of grieving and moving on, he lashes out at those who wronged him.  Kind of childish, don't you think?  Look at Leon.  Yes, he slaughtered Walter and vowed that he and his family would hunt Mathias, but he apparently moved on with his life.  The fact is that both Leon and Mathias lost people they loved, but only one of them lost his humanity.  If Mathias was a "real" man, he would have grieved and then moved on.  I'm not saying that losing someone you love isn't painful, but you move on.  Mathias didn't.  At least, not until he met Lisa and then he went ape shit when she died.

Instead of deciding to eliminate all humans, he should have been there for Alucard and after grieving, move on.  There's not reason a vampire can't like a relatively peaceful life.  If he needs blood, he could simply go after criminals and them kill them when he finishes feeding.  Doing that would be a win-win: he would be able to feed and at the same time, rid the area of a criminal.

Yeah, and I thought Leon was the dense one. Seems Mathias didn't quite get it. Haha.

I agree about the drinking criminals' blood thing. Or he can be like Twilight vampires and drink animal blood.

[Kamirine]

I think the lesson here is just don't **** with Dracula's women. The first one dies: he wages war on God and refuses to live by his rules. The second one dies, he's waging war on all of humanity. It's best to just leave them alone. :lmao: Though I've always wondered what Dracula's motivation was after SOTN: Alucard told him what Lisa said and he seemed remorseful and sorry as he died. So what's his deal after that?

[Tobias]

I think the lesson here is just don't **** with Dracula's women. The first one dies: he wages war on God and refuses to live by his rules. The second one dies, he's waging war on all of humanity. It's best to just leave them alone. :lmao: Though I've always wondered what Dracula's motivation was after SOTN: Alucard told him what Lisa said and he seemed remorseful and sorry as he died. So what's his deal after that?

Probably pissed off that he's getting second rate hunters from then till 1999. No Belmonts.  That's got to hurt your pride.

[Flame]

I think the lesson here is just don't **** with Dracula's women. The first one dies: he wages war on God and refuses to live by his rules. The second one dies, he's waging war on all of humanity.

And the third one is even capable of turning his reincarnation evil. When he is by all rights a completely different person.

[A-Yty]

Though I've always wondered what Dracula's motivation was after SOTN: Alucard told him what Lisa said and he seemed remorseful and sorry as he died. So what's his deal after that?

The only way I can explain that is that it's part of his curse; his mind is kind of "reset" at every resurrection.

Either that or there have been multiple Draculas.