Topic: The woman in the morning mist

[Lelygax]

Thanks, but I mean the clues that the villagers say, since we cant say if some of them tell lies or are only a result of bad translation, I know that some of them lie tough.

About the 13 clues, here is what google translator says, first the original english version and below the google translator version:

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Clue 01: A SYMBOL OF EVIL WILL APPAER WHEN YOU STRIKE THE STAKE.
JPNver: Hang Kashinoki Iwo Al Mononi Uchi enteropathy coarse tooth comb Toki ephedraノdivided

Clue 02: DESTROY THE CURSE AND YOU'LL RULE BRAHM'S MANSION.
JPNver: blur Takeno Tachi Kawano Noroi mono wo Toku Apex barrel suck

Clue 03: A FLAME FLICKERS INSIDE THE RING OF FIRE.
JPNver: Say Naruhono the Sareta Ryo Ono nitrate source Hahi Iki two timer Monet Mulu

Clue 04:. CLEAR A PATH AT BERKELEY MANSION WITH A WHITE CRYSTAL
JPNver: BerkeleyノTachi white crystal de Caza strike Kimi wo Chiha Gila Charles

Clue 05: TO REPLENISH EARTH ,KNEEL BY THE LAKE WITH THE BLUE CRYSTAL.
JPNver: crystal blue shadow Woka Kos Inoma Eni knee Maz project Kida Ichiha Ms. Rellヲrightist

Clue 06: DESTROY THE CURSE WITH DRACULA'S HEART.
JPNver: ephedraノShinzo Hanoro frost cracks Nonono RoyヲTok

Clue 07: GARLIC IN THE GRAVEYARD SUMMONS A STRANGER.
JPNver: Jaca Bani garlic wo wo pine oct demon Hakie Ousset Sonata people break Gaara

Clue 08: AN OLD GYPSY HOLDS A DIAMOND IN FRONT OF DEBORAH CLIFF.
JPNver: Deborahノcliff Noma Eni tensile coughヲMotu Toshio Ita Jipu Gee Guile

Clue 09: WAIT FOR A SOUL WITH A RED CRYSTAL ON DEBORAH CLIFF.
JPNver: Deborahノcliff Noma et des red crystal Woka Kazekage Womate

Clue 10: PLACE THE LAURELS IN A SILK BAG TO BRING THEM TO LIFE.
JPNver: Male silk Nof Chronicle Laurus nobilis Hata better system Iwo Fukiko Murrell

Clue 11: DRACULA'S NAIL MAY SOLVE THE EVIL MYSTERY.
JPNver: GC031 acknowledge ephedraノnail wall duct Chikara wo wo Uchiku Motu

Clue 12: THE CURSE HAS KILLED THE LAUREL TREE.
JPNver: Al Laurus nobilisナkimono life NumaノNoroi two lifeツキLe

Clue 13: DRACULA'S EVIL KNIFE BLURS CAMILLA'S VISION.
JPNver: Shinny No photo provided Spoon and Fork knife two moths qualifications Motu CamillaノHitomi Haq mole

[Inccubus]

I made a request post at the translations forum at ROMhaking.net.
The guys over there will make short work of these.

[Lelygax]

I made a request post at the translations forum at ROMhaking.net.
The guys over there will make short work of these.

Thanks .
You and these contacts... it makes me fell like as if we are in mafia lol

[Inccubus]

lol @ mafia.

Here are the translations:

1: When you drive a stake into a particular object, a symbol of the Prince of Darkness will appear.
2: Something like... "Bring the item which will dispel the curse of Brahm Mansion's river". Or perhaps "Brahm Mansion's side". I dunno.
3: The source of sacred flame sleeps even now in the realm sealed off by fire.
4: If you bring hold a White Crystal above your head at Berkeley Mansion, a path will open up to you.
5: If you kneel before the lake while holding a Blue Crystal, the earth will again accept water into itself.
6: The key to your curse, Simon, is the heart of the Prince of Darkness.
7: To find the one who awaits you, you must bring garlic to the graveyard. This will purge it of monsters.
8: There is an old gypsy in front of Deborah Cliff who has a Diamond.
9: Bring a Red Crystal before Deborah Cliff, then wait for the wind.
10: Laurels placed into a silk bag will once again gain life.
11: The nails of the Prince of Darkness have the power to break down evil barriers. (lit. 'evil/wicked walls')
12: The laruel trees had their life force stolen by the swamp's curse.
13: The knife that Death carries has the ability to cloud Camilla's vision.

So they're mostly similar to the official translation but definitely less cryptic for the most part.

[Lelygax]

Thanks, they are only similar in some parts, they translated it in a way that is almost useless, the translation that you are showing now mayne even makes the game playable without a guide.

I dont remember CV2 map, but I think that "Bring the item which will dispel the curse of Brahm Mansion's river" is refering "The key to your curse, Simon, is the heart of the Prince of Darkness." so its almost saying to you show Dracula's heart to the ferryman.

"Bring a Red Crystal before Deborah Cliff, then wait for the wind." instead of "WAIT FOR A SOUL WITH A RED CRYSTAL ON DEBORAH CLIFF." makes more sense too, the original translation makes it appear that the soul will give you a red crystal, even when you already have a red crystal and understand that you need to use it in Deborah cliff you will not know that a wind or tornado will be used, obviously you dont will wait if you didnt see a gypsy or invisible block, but knowing it is a wind makes the things more easy.

[Inccubus]

Agreed. Here's an alternate attempt to translate those same clues by another translator plus his notes.

Clue 01: カシノキノクイヲ アルモノニ ウチコムトキ マオウノ ショウチョウハ アラワレル
樫の木の杭を　ある物に　打ち込むとき　魔王の象徴は　現れる
If you drive a stake into a certain object, the symbol of the dark lord will appear.

Clue 02: ブラームノヤカタ カワノ ノロイヲ トクモノ ムカエイレル
ブラームの館(で)　川の　呪いを解く物　迎え入れる
At Brahm Manor you will find an object that will lift the river's curse.

Clue 03: セイナルホノオノ ミナモトハ ヒニトザサレタ リョウイキニ イマモ ネムル
聖なる炎の　源は　火に閉ざされた領域に　今も　眠る
The source of the sacred flame still sleeps in the region sealed off by fire.
 
Clue 04: バークレイノ ヤカタデ シロスイショウヲ カザストキ ミチハ ヒラカレル
バークレイの　館で　白水晶を　かざすとき　道は　開かれる
Raise a white crystal in Berkeley Manor and a path will open.

Clue 05: アオスイショウヲ カカゲ コスイノマエニ ヒザマズクトキ ダイチハ ミズヲ ウケイレル
青水晶の　掲げ　湖水の前に　ひざまずくとき　大地は　水を　受け入れる
If you raise a blue crystal and kneel down by the lake, the earth will swallow the waters.

Clue 06: マオウノシンゾウハ ノロワレシモノノ ノロイヲ トク
魔王の心臓は　呪われしものの　呪いを解く
The dark lord's heart will lift the curses from cursed things.

Clue 07: ハカバニ ニンニクヲ オクト マモノハ キエウセ ソナタヲ マツヒトガ アラワレル
墓場に　ニンニクを置くと　魔物は　消え失せ　そなたを　待つ人が　現れる
If you place garlic in the graveyard, the monsters will vanish, and a person who waits for you will appear.

Clue 08: デボラノガケノ マエニ チョウコウセキヲ モツ トシオイタ ジプジーガ イル
デボラの崖の　前に　潮紅石を　持つ　年老いた　ジプシーが　いる
In front of Deborah Cliff is an aged woman with a blushing red stone.

Clue 09: デボラノガケノ マエデ アカスイショウヲ カカゲ カゼヲマテ
デボラの崖の　前で　赤水晶を　掲げ　風を待て
Hoist a red crystal in front of Deborah Cliff and wait for the wind.

Clue 10: キヌノフクロニ クルマレシ ゲッケイジュハ タマシイヲ フキコマレル
絹の袋に　くるまれし　月桂樹は　魂を　吹き込まれる
Laurels wrapped in a silk pouch will inspire the soul.

Clue 11: マオウノツメハ ジャアクノカベヲ ウチクダク チカラヲ モツ
魔王の爪は　邪悪の壁を　打ち砕く　力を　持つ
The dark lord's nails have the power to shatter vicious barriers.

Clue 12: イノチアル ゲッケイジュナキモノ ヌマノノロイニ イノチツキル
命ある　月桂樹無き者　沼の呪いに　命尽きる
The lives of those without laurels will be sapped away by the swamp's curse.

Clue 13: シニガミガ カクシモツ ナイフニ カミーラノ ヒトミハ クモル
死神が　隠し持つ　ナイフに　カミーラの　瞳　曇る
Camilla's eyes are clouded by the knife which Death conceals.


Lots of archaic phrasing here. Note that my translations differ a bit from DS's, particularly 2, 6, 8, 10, and 12. I think DS must've misinterpreted ちょうこうせき in #8 as 超宝石 (ちょうほうせき), which could be understandably rendered as "diamond". AFAICT, is should be 潮紅石, which literally means "blush(ing) stone". In 10 I used the original meaning of the word "inspire", which was something like "to breathe life into" ("spirit"="breath"="life"). In 12 I (unintentionally) made a pun by using the word "sap".

Additionally someone on ROMhacking.net is doing a complete translation of Dracula II. That should reveal a lot, plus he said he has the entire script translated in text file.

[Lelygax]

Agreed. Here's an alternate attempt to translate those same clues by another translator plus his notes.

Additionally someone on ROMhacking.net is doing a complete translation of Dracula II. That should reveal a lot, plus he said he has the entire script translated in text file.

Wow, thanks! Say to him or her (or it lol) that Im thanking for this, we really need this. If they did all these errors in the most important texts of the game, imagine the rest. xD

I never understanded why these old woman says "live here with me" or something like that.

[Koutei]

Small mistake found.

Clue 03: セイナルホノオノ ミナモトハ ヒニトザサレタ リョウイキニ イマモ ネムル
聖なる炎の　源は　火に閉ざされた領域に　今も　眠る
The source of the sacred flame still sleeps in the region sealed off by fire.

ヒニトザサレタ リョウイキ is 陽に閉ざされた領域 (Where Light Does Not Reach). I think.

Clue 08: デボラノガケノ マエニ チョウコウセキヲ モツ トシオイタ ジプジーガ イル
デボラの崖の　前に　潮紅石を　持つ　年老いた　ジプシーが　いる
In front of Deborah Cliff is an aged woman with a blushing red stone.

チョウコウセキ is 跳鉱石. 跳鉱 is Rebounding. 石 is Stone.

[Lelygax]

What is rebounding? The aged woman? lol
Seriously now, it is the place that you receive the rebounding stone? I dont remember.

Here is the notes that Incubbus received and shared about that part, as a reminder:

I think DS must've misinterpreted ちょうこうせき in #8 as 超宝石 (ちょうほうせき), which could be understandably rendered as "diamond". AFAICT, is should be 潮紅石, which literally means "blush(ing) stone".

Rebounding blushing stone sounds strange, in japanese blushing have something to do with "flashing" or something?

[Koutei]

It was translated as Rebound Stone by SOTN.

http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Ricochet_Rock

Ricochet Rock in HD.

[Orlox]

I thought clue #3 was because Drac is easely killed with the sacred flame and as he appear in a ring of fire.
Wonder if they changed the items location in a hurry to make the game more difficulte, the eye and the rib should have been exchanged.

Strangely they placed the most overpowered sub-weapon at the beginning (sacred flame), but the weak diamond in the mid game at a hardly accessible place.

[Inccubus]

@Koutei:

Actually, on his variation of the last one 跳 is rebounding and 鉱石 is "crystal" or "ore".

~DS

[Koutei]

Actually, on his variation of the last one 跳 is rebounding and 鉱石 is "crystal" or "ore".

~DS

Oops, I mistook.
Probably, this is best translation.

[Inccubus]

Also, I made a stupid mistake:

Clue 08: デボラノガケノ マエニ チョウコウセキヲ モツ トシオイタ ジプジーガ イル
デボラの崖の　前に　跳鉱石を　持つ　年老いた　ジプシーが　いる
In front of Deborah Cliff is an aged woman gypsy with a rebounding stone.

I screwed up out of force of habit. Nine times out of ten it's an old woman.

HTH