Topic: In your honest opinion...

[Abnormal Freak]

:o

[paletteswapmonster]

I guess I can understand not liking the inverted castle, but I find it fun, the bosses are all completely new, and it's far less repetitive and stupid than AOS' "second castle," which as I recall is exactly the same thing. (That was AOS and not HOD, right? Maybe I'm confused.)

AOS, DOS, and POR have useless weapons also, but despite that the variety is fun regardless--or at least I find it fun in SOTN. The other games, not so much. SOTN has soooo many weapons and items that you really don't ever need to use, but it's fun at least once to go through them all and see the neat little things some of them do. Same with all the items--especially the ones that cause huge naked chicks to appear on the screen. Throwing peanuts in the air and trying to catch them in your mouth to regain just a few points of health? Come on! Little details like that are so much fun! The other games have very few such tiny, useless, albeit fun details.

What are these "unnecessary things" you speak of? 'Cos I love all the weird little details and things in the game. Makes it feel far more complete than the other games.

Glitches? Yeah, there are the well-known glitches, some of which cause the progress percentage of the game to go higher--so are they really glitches, or intentional? Either way, they're fun, and I've NEVER done anything in the game that has somehow screwed me over. Seriously, when has a glitch in SOTN ever ruined your play experience? None of it gets in the way. Besides that, some of the other games have glitches also. Being able to go outside of the castle in AOS (or was that DOS)? You're not just going to look over that, are you?

What makes SOTN feel incomplete? I hope you don't say "'cos it doesn't have the ability to play Maria and the new areas like in the Saturn version," because those were all added LATER and as far as I know were not intended to be put in the original game. I've never played the Saturn version, but I hear the new areas are poorly-designed, the new sprites suck ass, and there's nothing special about the new tunes either (which, if I'm not mistaken, weren't even written by Yamane).

Yeah, the game is easy, but aside from COTM, are any of the other Metroidvanias anything more than a cakewalk? Seriously. ALL of IGA's SOTN-style Castlevanias are a breeze. Except that none of those other games have the insane challenge of a boss like Galamoth. Sure, the boss is pretty easy to get through if you have the right equipment and/or the fairy familiar healing you constantly, but he's still a pretty darn tough cookie. COTM is the only Metroidvania that really poses a consistent challenge.

As for SOTN being considered the best Castlevania, yeah I agree it doesn't quite deserve that title, but it certainly is deserving of its high praise and being considered ONE of the best. And it's so good that I honestly don't mind if somebody DOES think it's THE best, because it really IS so good. And if nothing else, arguing that any of the other Metroidvanias are superior or come even close to its brilliance and replayability is just a dead argument from the start because it's simply not true.

The bosses may be completely new, but they're so pathetic that they can be beaten before the boss music starts(I'm looking at you, especially, Akmodan). HoD might have had that second castle, but it had a good feeling to it, and it did have huge differences later on with enemies and slight level design changes and cool and necessary items.

The other games do have useless weapons too, but not as much as SotN. What kind of joke is Red Rust and Tyrfing anyway? They weren't even worth putting in the game. The little details are also pretty nice, but I doubt there are many people that can tolerate checking them all out(or even at all probably). A lot of things just don't need to be there and instead of those things, there could have been better things that could have been necessary and probably much cooler.

The unnecessary things are most of the inventory entirely, the spells, the useless special attacks, the wolf form(all the forms could have been put to much better use), etc. There are just too many unnecessary and gimmicky things.

Sure the glitches don't really mess up the experience, but the fact that there are so many of them is part of the reason the game feels incomplete.

The game feels incomplete because a bunch of things thrown together with no purpose. It feels like an unfinished ROM hack or fangame. The game also seems a little short, and there are a lot of things that could have been put into it. It feels as rushed as PoR(maybe more, even).

All metroidvanias are a breeze, but SotN is the easiest of them all. It might just be one of the easiest games of all time. It's pathetic. It doesn't even have a hard mode. Sure it has luck mode, but the difficulty is way imbalanced. Luck mode starts off very hard, but then you're back to being a god and you're able to sweep through the game just like in normal mode. At least the hard modes in the other games are actually harder than the normal games, even if hardly any work was put into them.

The game does not deserve the praise it gets. It's not that good. Games like AoS and DoS already surpassed it in so many ways. It has horrible flaws, and after replaying it a few times, you just get sick of it to the point in which you might not want to see it anymore. It should stop getting so much praise because it is not only annoying, but the game doesn't deserve it. It's good, but not that good.

[Abnormal Freak]

I'd say you're pretty much in the minority there. :P Most people say that SOTN is an astounding game, and thank goodness for that. There are right opinions and then there are wrong ones, too. ;)

Red Rust is awesome, by the way. Gotta love picking up the sword for the first time and thinking, "Hmm, what's this one like?" only to find that it's rusted in the sheath and Alucard is puzzled, ha ha. That's just one of the little details that I love. It's humorous.

[paletteswapmonster]

I'd say you're pretty much in the minority there. Most people say that SOTN is an astounding game, and thank goodness for that. There are right opinions and then there are wrong ones, too.

So, you're opinionated.

[Abnormal Freak]

Everybody is. :o

Though I'd say I'm truthionated. ;)

[paletteswapmonster]

Everybody is.

Though I'd say I'm truthionated.

Wrong. You're saying I'm wrong because I think SotN isn't as good as people say it is. You can't even accept any flaws. You're being a fanboy. Also, opinionated means holding stubbornly and often unreasonably to one's own opinions.

[Abnormal Freak]

You seem to be taking things a little more seriously than they really are. :P

I don't see how me liking SOTN so much can be attributed to me "holding stubbornly and unreasonably" to my own opinions. None of the things that you mentioned disliking about SOTN are things that I agree with--quite the opposite, I find a lot of what you dislike to be things that add to why I love it. There's nothing unreasonable about that at all. I don't see the so-called flaws that you do, but if somehow not acknowledging such "flaws" makes me a fanboy, then so be it.

People can have their own opinions, I won't try to rob them of that. I'm only (partly) joking anyway. Though I am glad your opinion on SOTN is a minority one. :)

[paletteswapmonster]

In Reply To #82

You were saying I was wrong and you were right. That doesn't work.

[Abnormal Freak]

joke, n. something that is amusing or ridiculous, esp. because of being ludicrously inadequate or a sham; a thing, situation, or person laughed at rather than taken seriously; farce.

[paletteswapmonster]

In Reply To #84

Well excuuuuuuse me!

[Abnormal Freak]

[Aridale]

In Reply To #85

you forgot the "Princess" on the end of that =D

[Long John Silver]

In Reply To #77

Sure the glitches don't really mess up the experience, but the fact that there are so many of them is part of the reason the game feels incomplete.

portrait has just as many or more, some of them easy to do and game breaking (crashes). sotn's glitches are mostly just fun little things that are pretty damn hard to replicate.

why aren't you egging it instead?

Games like AoS and DoS already surpassed it in so many ways.

sprite quality wise? nope. palette wise? nope. special effect wise? nope. atmosphere? nope. level design? nope. attention to detail? nope. character wise? not really (aos's too japanese in series that were always rooted in europe, dos is animu).

[erimocard]

In Reply To #88

Gameplay wise.

[Long John Silver]

In Reply To #88

Gameplay wise.

then he wouldn't say "surpassed it in so many ways." but "surpassed it in one thing."