Topic: I knew it! Castlevania: Lords of Shadow!(SPOILERS HERE, PLZ USE THE SPOILER TAG)

[Lumas]

Well Konami is calling the shots, they got all the money and all the power when it comes to Castlevania so all you "fans" that aren't liking this game can just keep expressing how much it pisses you off because IGA has nothing to do with it or it looks like God of War or its too fantasy. This game will come out no matter what you do or say or type.

This is a Castlevania game and according to Konami so far it is The New Castlevania not trying to step on anyone's toes here but you are just gonna have to deal with that fact there is nothing you can do about it except not buy the game and keep expressing how much you miss IGA and his stupid ass hat.

[Oralox]

In Reply To #469

Agreed!
This should be on first post.
Really!

[A-Yty]

What is with the utterly ridicilous polarization?

When you want this game to include things you consider CV, you're an IGA fanboy.

When you want to remold things for a new start, you're not a true fan.

[Lumas]

What is with the utterly ridicilous polarization?

When you want this game to include things you consider CV, you're an IGA fanboy.

When you want to remold things for a new start, you're not a true fan.

First off that needed to be said. If people want to bitch and moan about IGA ( I dont completely hate the guy Im just disappointed) they need to make a new topic titled "IGAvania vs Kojimavania" and discuss it there.

This was said to state the fact that, yes you might not like this game but it is a Castlevania title so if you are true fan of the series you have to give it a chance instead of comparing it to everything IGA has done which in all honesty was make a bunch of expansion packs for SotN.

If this game completely fails and is horrible then we should trust Konami who has been giving us over twenty years of Castlevania to handle it properly.

There is no problem in discussing what should be involved that is "Castlevania" but bitching about IGA not being involved should be left out as should constant comparison to God of War and Devil May Cry which both games have been more successful then any Castlevania we have had recently because we only have less then 5 minutes of video to go off of. For all we know they took their formula and made it more enjoyable for those who dont prefer that style of gameplay and made it ten times better with a large world to explore and throw in plenty of things that make Castlevania a Castlevania game (Meaning breakable candles etc etc).

So with that if you are true fan you will accept this game as Castlevania and not write it off as a GoW clone.

[A-Yty]

First off that needed to be said. If people want to bitch and moan about IGA ( I dont completely hate the guy Im just disappointed) they need to make a new topic titled "IGAvania vs Kojimavania" and discuss it there.

To what are you referring to? A "fuck you" to people who don't blindly and wholeheartedly swallow this game's idea after knowing about 10% of how it's going to be or saying that categorizing opinions narrowly is silly?

Calling this "Kojimavania" might be a bit presumptuous at this point. This is his first CV project. No info has been given what he is going to do after this. And as I understand, his contribution to this project is fairly lighthanded (in terms of the game's content).

This was said to state the fact that, yes you might not like this game but it is a Castlevania title so if you are true fan of the series you have to give it a chance instead of comparing it to everything IGA has done which in all honesty was make a bunch of expansion packs for SotN.

Giving a chance doesn't mean that you can't express concerns over how much of CV style will remain in this game or voicing your opinions on what you want this game to include. Most MGS fans don't like Ac!d. Should they like it just because it's a Metal Gear game or they're not true fans?

I can only speak for myself, but I have not compared and will not compare this game to just IGA's CV games. But since IGA has produced quite a few CV games, comparisons  to games that happened to be produced by him will be inevitable. That does not mean I consider IGA-produced CV games the ones this game should be compared to because he made them.

If this game completely fails and is horrible then we should trust Konami who has been giving us over twenty years of Castlevania to handle it properly.

It was Konami who hired IGA, for example. And according to you, he has given us nothing but SotN and his clones. Kojima is just someone who was hired by Konami, too. He can screw up just like anyone else. Or succeed.

There is no problem in discussing what should be involved that is "Castlevania" but bitching about IGA not being involved should be left out.

I agree. I've been wanting someone else take a shot at CV for years.

But you can see that some people slam those two sides together. As if they fear Konami got scared and cancelled this project.

[Lumas]

First Yes it is a big "Fuck you"

Nah im jerkin ya chain. What I mean is that simple trailer was probably better then anything we've seen from CV production wise yes we can view our concerns but writing it off completely is unfair and not accepting the fact this is going to be a Castlevania is beyond our power.

Second Kojimavania was used by IGN last time I check they they know how to get information about video games that regular fans cannot. So they might know something we dont in order to call it that or maybe they are just calling that because Kojima has his name in it.

Third Most of this discussion has not been "concerns" it has been arguments between fractions of fans who have different preferences of what Castlevania should be. No I dont like MGS Ac!d but hell I gave it a chance and didn't write if off completely. 

Fourth yes he was hired but according to him he has admired the Castlevania team for a long ass time yet he went in and changed the main villian into someone completely different (mathias). Also yes Kojima can make mistakes he can make games that pale to comparison to his main series but he isnt the only one involved with this project and given the production (meaning they got patrick stewart and a great voice cast so they must be putting money in it) I dont think hes going completely fuck up.

And Fifth despite my own arguments( sometimes I word things that differ from what I mean so I apologize in advance) I really respect your point of view. And since Konami made a big deal out of this I dont think they will cancel it.

I think we should take this in stride and see what it does for the series.

[Lumas]

Off this discussion between me and A-Yty

A lot of people have been disappointed with some of the levels one in particular that looks like a jungle.

Now we all agree that Castlevania takes place in our real life world location wise right?

So it should have some resemblance to what geography of where it is currently taking place looks like right?
 
And we all know that not all of Europe looks all gothic and such right?

Well since the team is based out of Spain (which by god is in Europe)

this pic http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Forest_Los_Tilos_La_Palma.jpg is a forest out of Europe La Palma (A spanish Volcanic Island) to be more correct. So that might explain why that stage/area is in the game maybe the got inspired from seeing it? Who knows but just wanted to throw that out there. I mean we did get to see Japan in Aria of Sorrow ( it didn't take place there but we did get to see it) which I personally dont find Japan all that Castlevaniay and in bloodlines we did get to travel to many different locations all over Europe that wouldnt be considered very gothic or creepy or Castlevania like but oh well thats just an idea i had there.

I'll be back tomorrow Im sure with more ideas

They could probably suck as much as any other idea I've thrown out there like the damn horse looking like it was from Tron.

[A-Yty]

What I mean is that simple trailer was probably better then anything we've seen from CV production wise yes we can view our concerns but writing it off completely is unfair and not accepting the fact this is going to be a Castlevania is beyond our power.

I doubt Konami will want to alienate the fanbase that has people who have been playing these games since Vampire Killer.

You are right in that we don't control what gets the title of Castlevania, but we do control on how it's going to be received and how it's going to sell. Sure, they can do a whole turnaround and just ingore all history. But in terms of sales, what is smarter: ignoring the past with the fan majority or just doing what will sell with the name Castlevania? I can't think of group more loyal to paying for games than fans. Thus the most prudent decision is doing your best to both recreate CV to draw in more fans and to listen to the "old ones".

Fourth yes he was hired but according to him he has admired the Castlevania team for a long ass time yet he went in and changed the main villian into someone completely different (mathias).

Though it may not have been the best possible dramatic decision, Mathias was an attempt to regulate the storyline. And IMO he didn't change him as a character. He just gave him a human history, which was a mess already (the Stoker novel and Vlad the Impaler's history slammed together every now and then mixed with CV's vampire lore).

This series has never had a canon to constantly check on to avoid continuity mistakes. The core development team has changed numerous times. IGA was the first one to try binding the whole mess together. And I think he did his best to include as many games in the canon as possible. I criticize IGA for the repetitive style and stories, but I'm not even sure who writes the actual scripts for the games.

But all in all, he was the first to try make a coherent storyline. He had to try make the whole timeline work. Compare the difficulty of that with starting from scratch.

To make another comparison, look at MG; Kojima has been the only one to write the story and yet he has build the continuity on innumeral retcons.

IMO Mathias was not one of his worst decisions. It made him more his own character instead of the Stoker-Vlad-connection. And if what they say about Gabriel's story is true, does it not resemble Mathias' to a degree?

Also yes Kojima can make mistakes he can make games that pale to comparison to his main series but he isnt the only one involved with this project and given the production (meaning they got patrick stewart and a great voice cast so they must be putting money in it) I dont think hes going completely fuck up.

As a game, I think this is going to do financially very well. I don't much doubt that. These names alone will draw a lot of attention. But fucking up isn't all about how the game is going to do. Or even how it plays. It's a Castlevania, so I'm going to see how Castlevania it really will turn out, regardless of everything else.

All in all, the staff and the budget are a good start. Finally CV gets the resources it needs.

A cancel is very unlikely, yeah. It was my pseudo-psychological analysis about the inexplicaple defend attitude towards this whole deal. It just seems that whenever someone says "I hope they include X because it has been a significant thing in CVs so far..", someone will go apeshit and claim silly shit like "Oh, that' just stupid. Who the fuck cares about X..".

Everyone who identifies as a CV fan, really oughta consider what made them like this series in the first place. If they accept a game without those things and still call it a really good CV game, what do they even like about CV?

Even if one were an IGA fanboy, I consider him more of a CV fan if he can actually articulate what makes CV what it is and why they like that versus someone who can only condemn the past and blindly jump towards anything different without giving any other reason that he doesn't like IGA's games (thus ignoring that there has been about 15 games without him as a producer). Even if its the endless recycling of Metroid gameplay, at least the fanboy knows why he likes CV.

[Saner]

Without a last name, he might be a Belmont. 

Dracula might be in it,  but still, that is not a true whip.
it's more like an Inspector Gadget invention.   

[A-Yty]

In Reply To #478

The whip is still there, so it can be explained why he has that thing attached to it. Maybe he just felt more comfortable using it that way.

If one wants to add realism, a whip is very ineffective in a battle when used without a supporting weapon.

[Blue Cheese]

Gabriel is just an alias Mathias is using.
Trust me, I'm from the future.

[Saner]

they need a unlockable playable babe to make 50% more sales,
like she could use magic orbs and she would wear a costume that can get knocked off like the people in Fighting Vipers.
 

or maybe she could be a knight from Gabriel's Order. 
and can use a spear to fight.  yeah!  maybe she can be called
Heather or something exotic. 

[Rugal]

they need a unlockable playable babe to make 50% more sales,
like she could use magic orbs and she would wear a costume that can get knocked off like the people in Fighting Vipers.
 

or maybe she could be a knight from Gabriel's Order.

[Doctor Zhao]

YOU ARE NO LONGER MY PRINCE AND YOU ARE NO LONGER MY SON

[Ahasverus]

Everyone who identifies as a CV fan, really oughta consider what made them like this series in the first place. If they accept a game without those things and still call it a really good CV game, what do they even like about CV?

Really?
Ok, IGA made 2 games without Dracula as the villian; even worse, 2 games WITHOUT A TRUE VILLAIN (AOS and DOS), one childish game (POR) a soap-opera-story- game (OOE)a SOTN clone (HOD) a forced sequel (COD) and a good begining with bad gameplay (LOI), and one of the worst fighters-games-castlevania of ever (Judgment)so, why is he so great? Could this reboot be worse than this? I'm sure, NO.