Topic: I knew it! Castlevania: Lords of Shadow!(SPOILERS HERE, PLZ USE THE SPOILER TAG)

[Flame]

Another point of interest, one of the reasons many people have issues with LoS is because of this entire REBOOT EVERYTHING fad that's happening to a lot of series nowadays. There's still lots of us that like the main continuity and want to see it continue. It seems as though Konami just took the easy way out and said "hmm everyone else is rebooting their franchises, we might as well too!!!" With all the Hollywood references, it makes it even clearer. I can only imagine what the Devil May Cry communities are going through right now.

Thing is though, CV really needed a reboot. It was cluttered and had very little room for more story, without breaking the 100 years rule. (which has been broken enough already)

There is VERY little that can be done, and that basically screws anyone who isnt IGA.

Mercurysteam wanted to make a new CV game, but with so little they could do, and deciding to NOT make the Console CV1 remake they were originally planning, had to do some serious thinking if they were to make something "new".

So, to not interfere with the established timeline, and to give themselves much more room to flex their creative muscles, they went with an AU reboot.

[Dremn]

I can only imagine what the Devil May Cry communities are going through right now.

Capcom effectively murdered the franchise as soon as they handed it off to Ninja Theory. NT is probably one of the worst developers this generation, they have not made one single decent game.

[Nagumo]

Thing is though, CV really needed a reboot. It was cluttered and had very little room for more story, without breaking the 100 years rule. (which has been broken enough already)

There is plenty of room for more story, but just not with Dracula. People have been complaining he appears to much anyway with all these half ressurections etc. Instead people rather reach to the reset button instead of using new villians.   

[Vampire Killer]

There is plenty of room for more story, but just not with Dracula. People have been complaining he appears to much anyway with all these half ressurections etc. Instead people rather reach to the reset button instead of using new villians.   

But isn't one of the major complaints about LoS that you never technically fight Dracula in it?

[JR]

NT is probably one of the worst developers this generation, they have not made one single decent game.

Heavenly Sword was fun. Not earth-shattering, but it was fun.



As far as the official timeline goes, there's still room in the future. I wouldn't see it being very hard to bring Dracula back somehow. And not just some person inheriting his soul, but maybe rebirthing him through a ritual or something? I don't know. The only problem I would see in continuing the storyline past Soma would be time itself: it would be kind of weird fighting Drac in, say, the year 2097. (But then again, the future setting worked fine for the Sorrow games, so who knows?)


 

[Vampire Killer]

Well well well, still no DLC on XBL, which is FUBAR!

According to Cox's twitter, it's an issue having to do with XBL, not the DLC itself. Says they're testing a fix right now. Hope it works.

[Ahasverus]

There is plenty of room for more story, but just not with Dracula. People have been complaining he appears to much anyway with all these half ressurections etc. Instead people rather reach to the reset button instead of using new villians.  

Rememeber when most people (incluidng you ) yelled at the no-show of Dracula in LoS? And because of so LoS was not a true CV game? well there is your answer to why konami doesn't make CV games with "other villains".

[crisis]

But isn't one of the major complaints about LoS that you never technically fight Dracula in it?

I think an even bigger complaint was that they made a Belmont become Dracula, which will probably lead to Alucard Belmont and other nonsensical stuff.


As already said some people are too quick to cry reboot nowadays, there's hundreds of unused years left in the timeline and knowing IGA he can probably find a way to include Dracula "without actually including him" if you get what I mean. They can even make a game where you play as Dracula/Mathias, a reversal of AoS so to speak that follows his exploits as a vampire collecting souls, or the exact opposite with Leon's successor taking on the first "big" mission of the clan. There's still a lot of games they can make with the classic timeline.

[cecil-kain]

I think an even bigger complaint was that they made a Belmont become Dracula

This.  Just about the only thing they could have done to make me cry "Sacrilege!"  Belmont Vs Dracula is absolutely central --I'll say it again --CENTRAL-- to the Castlevania story.  Even if Lament skewed the Dracula origin, IGA hit GOLD with the origin of Belmont/Dracula rivalry.  To see Mercury Steam screw up something this elementary, speaks ill of their --competence...

[Nagumo]

But isn't one of the major complaints about LoS that you never technically fight Dracula in it?

Yes, but he still plays a part in the plot. If you actually fight him, or even if he is the villian in the story or not, is inrelevant.   

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

This.  Just about the only thing they could have done to make me cry "Sacrilege!"  Belmont Vs Dracula is absolutely central --I'll say it again --CENTRAL-- to the Castlevania story.  Even if Lament skewed the Dracula origin, IGA hit GOLD with the origin of Belmont/Dracula rivalry.  To see Mercury Steam screw up something this elementary, speaks ill of their --competence...

This is exactly how I feel aswell.

Say what you want about LOI and its origin story but atleast it kept the CORE of what I believe makes a good CV story and thats the Belmont vs Dracula rivalry.

Sure LOI had its flaws but atleast Leon Belmont did not become Dracula himself which I still think is pretty lame.

IGA did a good job IMO of explaining why the Belmonts hate Dracula and why they hunt him but so far LOS is just becoming more and more confusing as time goes on.

I'm honestly at this point begining to think we will never see Dracula vs Belmont again in the LOS storyline.

And please no time machine theories lol.

[Mike Belmont]

I think an even bigger complaint was that they made a Belmont become Dracula, which will probably lead to Alucard Belmont and other nonsensical stuff.

Totally agree with this.

I mean, if they make a true reboot, this will have the classic Castlevania plot (Belmont vs Dracula), and without names reference from recent CV games, but new ones. I know they are already countless versions of that plot in other CVs, but thats the central part of Castlevania. Why not to put Gabriel Belmont to fight in the end with Dracula? Is Satan participation as main antagonist necessary? Why to put the epilogue the way MS puts, after the credits (like most modern Hollywood movies)? If they stay with the plot without the epilogue, I will be happy, because they will, maybe, put Dracula in the sequel. But, with the epilogue, is unfair to wait to play a new game to understand it.

To be the first MS Castlevania, its a good game. But, in the history, I see much Hideo Kojima influence. Thats my opinion.

[JR]

I wonder where this Satan thing is going, too. In the official timeline, there was no need for Satan, since Drac was the end-all, be-all of evil. To me it seems like it might cheapen Drac's legacy, having someone around who is more powerful and evil than he is.

The only upside I could see to putting Satan in the mix is if Gabriel and Zobek kill him, Gabriel inherits hell's army for his own, and becomes invigorated with the sense of power he gets from this. Really can't see something like that happening, though.

[Flame]

people complain about Gabriel Dracula, but mixing Draculas and Belonts is nothing new, or do you all forget Legends making Alucard Trevor's father?

Im not hearing any complaints about that.

Also, there cannot be any Dracula as long as Soma is around, because he IS Dracula. he didnt just inherit some powers, he IS the soul of Dracula, reincarnated the old fashioned way, rather than brought back the way he has been brought back to life the past hundreds of years.

[thernz]

isn't that tidbit about legends the reason a lot of people dont like the story even though it's only just implied and not even stated
personally i dont really care that aos was supposed to be this sort of end of the dracula-belmont feud, because lol castlevania in the future. well, it's not like the future actually makes any difference beyond human character designs and gimmicky weapons so far.