Topic: Castlevania - The Plot Hole Thread

[Inccubus]

Yeah it does get kind of confusing with all these mix'n match games that konami of america likes to pull on us fans. The only things we need to keep in mind are these facts; Wallachia is a province within Romania and Transylvania is the central mountainchain that crosses directly through the country itself. In tearms of the towns and cities mentioned in the series, they're pretty much all factisious. I just don't understand why KoA couldn't figure this out and had to confuse us all??

-X

Actually Transylvania is a region too. I think you were thinking of the Carpathians when you mentioned the mountain range. It is largely contained within Transylvania but also goes into the rest of Romania and beyond.

Since there is confusion about the locations mentioned in the games why don't we just list what we have available. I recommend disregard the US localization garbage and just concentrate on what we can find from the Japanese versions.

IGA doesn't like Female protagonists. That's why Legends is non-existant in all the multiverse timelines. The man seriously needs to lighten up on the whole sexual discrimination gig.

-X

Ummm... Shanoa.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

That's been disproven what with the whole Shanoa thing.
And prior to that, with Charlotte as a co-protagonist.
And prior to that with Yoko as a playable character in Julius mode.

It may have been something cool to say back in Harmony/Aria times, but times have changed.

[X]

When the man brings out a woman Belmont then I'll change my outlook on him. And it better be a damn good game too.

-X

[darkwzrd4]

Didn't Iga mention once that the events of C64 and LoD did happen in an "alternate reality", that might even have ties to the main canon, but that Legends never happened in any reality within the canon multiverse?  Cornell could have been taken from this multiverse in Judgment.

IGA doesn't like Female protagonists. That's why Legends is non-existant in all the multiverse timelines. The man seriously needs to lighten up on the whole sexual discrimination gig.

-X

If that's the case, then what about Shanoa?

[Mobius]

And the female who got the most attention to detail or actual depth was the freakin' Hogwarts student. Coincidence? I'm not goin any further with that one.

Anyways, a few thoughts. Reinhardt Schneider's opening story does not indicate that he is wielding the VK, and the crimson whip seen in-game did not look the part either. It was changed to look like the legendary whip when fully upgraded in LoD. Considering how this harkens back to the original CV, the Game Boy titles, SCV IV and Dracula's Curse, it seems much more symbolic in terms of inheritence. i.e. Vanquishing the forces of darkness by the hand of a Belmont descendent will bring forth the weapon's full strength. As for the Hunter's Whip used by Nathan Graves, it also appears to be totally separate from the VK. But since his greatest strength lies in the DSS card combinations, the whip quickly becomes a secondary weapon.

I mentioned a theory once some years ago about Reinhardt and Nathan being related based on similarities in their appearance and their whips, and since nothing concrete was ever officially mentioned about their parents' backstories. All we know is Reinhardt's father trained him and was named Mikael, and Nathan's folks allegedly died in battle with Dracula himself. It might have been even possible that Reiny and Nate were one and the same character. I mean it. - Nothing set in stone officially from Grant DaNasty's original Japanese concept? It is open to our interpretation and, maybe, some lucky folks who will get to expand on it in a future game someday. (SIDE NOTE: Why anyone would take anything from Judgment into consideration since it was officially declared non-canon is a mystery) Seriously, with a little thoughtful inventiveness the world of Castlevania, plotholes and all, is a canvas ripe for breathtaking restoration.

By the by, the opening narrations from the N 64 games are the only games to implicitly state that the story takes place in "the province of Wallachia." All other games have been vague at best.

[Inccubus]

Looking through the Castlevania Wikia Gaming site I found something interesting.
Apparently what CV64 states is that it takes place in "Transylvania, in 1852. The Province of Wallachia."

Taking CV3 into account, are they then placing both a town and a province called Wallachia within the borders of Transylvania which seems to be rather consistently referred to as a country all it's own?

It seems, then, that the only games that make mention of Wallachia do so in the context of it being within Transylvania in one form or another. I should also note that several of the games simply make no mention of their exact setting.

Incidentally, one of the reasons I hate CotM is because it takes place in Austria for no good reason that is ever disclosed.

[Nagumo]

(SIDE NOTE: Why anyone would take anything from Judgment into consideration since it was officially declared non-canon is a mystery) 

I really don't want to bring that argument up again, so I'm just going to say that whetver people quote in order to support that idea is really open to interpretation. Let's don't forget that IGA never uses words like non-canon and the like. The best we got is that the game isn't part of the timeline, but taking into account that the events of Judgment take place in a rift in time, stated to be some kind off alternate universe, it's more then likely to assume that the game is indeed not part of it, but that doesn't mean that Judgment hasn't any canonity merits. Something that seems to support this, is that Story Mode "pays a lot of attention to continuity", according to IGA himself.

And come to think of it, this statement seems to apply that the character of Cornell is also part of the continuity he refers to. Call it grasping at straws, but I still see enough reason to disagree.                                   

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

CotM takes place in Austria because it is apparently where Carmilla is from.
The events of "Carmilla" (the novel) take place in Southeastern Austria, in a castle in Styria.

So you can say that Carmilla's hangout is Styria, Austria, and Dracula's hangout is in Wallachia, Romania.
Since Carmilla's resurrects Dracula in her castle, this is similar to how Countess Bartley (Bathory), resuscitates Dracula in England, in the Castle Proserpina.

[Raphael Belmont]

Drac wanders around the world just to be whipped to death in the head when reborning....i would rather stay in the abyss and rule there! 

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I think he sort of does wander in the abyss.
You know, it's not by his hand that he is once again given flesh...

[Raphael Belmont]

makes some sense, yet i believe he has the will to rule over our world...bc of the hatred for the humans (Lisa)

[Inccubus]

CotM takes place in Austria because it is apparently where Carmilla is from.
The events of "Carmilla" (the novel) take place in Southeastern Austria, in a castle in Styria.

So you can say that Carmilla's hangout is Styria, Austria, and Dracula's hangout is in Wallachia, Romania.
Since Carmilla's resurrects Dracula in her castle, this is similar to how Countess Bartley (Bathory), resuscitates Dracula in England, in the Castle Proserpina.

Damn! Totally forgot about that! It's been like 15 years since I last read that story.
OK. I hate it ever so slightly less. I still don't forgive the blatant mistranslation of Carmilla into Camilla.
That's just thoughtless and uneducated.

[darkwzrd4]

makes some sense, yet i believe he has the will to rule over our world...bc of the hatred for the humans (Lisa)

He doesn't want to rule the world.  He wants to exterminate all humans.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Damn! Totally forgot about that! It's been like 15 years since I last read that story.
OK. I hate it ever so slightly less. I still don't forgive the blatant mistranslation of Carmilla into Camilla.
That's just thoughtless and uneducated.

That happened in Simon's Quest.  I believe it's still "Carmilla" in CotM, but I haven't played in a while so I'm not fully sure on this one.
It's also "Carmilla" in Rondo of Blood.

[X]

In CotM the story puts her name as Camilla, but that's just stupidity of the transators part. I firmly beileve that her name is Carmilla. Maybe they just forgot to insert the 'R' in her name.

-X