Topic: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?

[Kale]

Wait, where di you read that she became a Succubi?

[Pentagram-cracker]

From a couple of different websites like this:

http://www.lilithgallery.com/library/

It makes sense, I mean in Castlevania all of Lilith's sprites are just recolored succubi. So I guess that makes her a "unique succubus".

[Kale]

Thats interesting... never seen that before. But I rarely look up Lilith.

[Pentagram-cracker]

Well being a succubus fanboy I know a lot about these things. 

[Mystic Myotis]

Before I get into the actual discussion:

^^^ Well, I think the love story in SotN was probably the worst thing about it. At first, I really thought nothing of it as being a love story at all, more than it being a one-sided love story with Maria becoming enamored over Alucard, in the same way that wacky girls have been swooning over guys like David Cassidy, Donny Osmond, or even Justin Beiber. Y'know, classic one-side "dream boat" infatuation. I mean, nothing gave me the impression that Alucard felt anything for her. Nor did I ever get the impression that a few chance meetings(BRIEF meetings) could result in them totally falling in love with each other. Alucard seemed like he could care less. It wasn't until the SotN radio drama that it became apparent that they DID love each other, which felt totally strange to me.

Ugh, that isn't considered canon, is it? D:

I think its a bad idea. It would come off as gay honestly, and some of the heroes are already kinda metrosexual looking so I think it would only make things worse >_>

Really?  I think more along the lines of 'it wouldn't be out of place within the series both in terms of content and art style.'

It's a game, the incubus is not going to jump out of the screen and molest you.

I personally think Ayami Kojima's art fits the series perfectly. I mean being metrosexual and gothic is what vampires are all about. And her characters aren't the "emo" kind of goth, they're more like the style of classical goth from the artists and poets like Edgar Allan Poe. I agree that incubus from Nocturne of Recollection is kind of emo rockstar looking, but I think a real incubus could be done in the game with the same deviousness and style as the other male enemies.

I agree.

As for the subject of homosexuality, I agree it would be interesting if done tastefully and not like yaoi fanservice where we find out Richter and Alucard are secret lovers who out of nowhere decide to get it on with hot vampire/human sex.

Never understood people's obsession with trying to make obviously straight characters... not straight. :/

It's like Carmilla's implied lesbianism. It is done rather tastefully because we know there's something going on between her and her servant Laura just like in the novel the two characters are based on and it's not dramatic or overly-done in the plot.

I think one could argue that they already implied that a male character was homosexual when they made Isaac. XD  He looks (and acts) like he's the favorite at an S&M club or something.  Oh, Isaac...



Anyway, I think it could be interesting.  Properly done, pitting an incubus against a female protagonist... it could be extremely creepy.

[Valtiel]

I don't think having an Incubus trying to "hit" on a male character would be problematic.

Man on man seduction doesn't need to revolve around sex. A man could tempt another man with power, luxury, friendship.
A large part of the vampire mythos hints at homosexuality being more prevalent among them. Vampires are nigh immortal; boredom can easily lead to "trying new things", but that's the tip of the iceberg. Vampires are powerful, and lonely. They would be attracted to each other as rivals and partners. In the Ann Rice books, it's quite common for straight vampires to practice some seduction on mortals or other vampires.

In a similar vein, an Incubus could tempt a male character promising him sex with women. "Come with me, and we'll have all the women you can dream of".

[Mystic Myotis]

I don't think having an Incubus trying to "hit" on a male character would be problematic.

Man on man seduction doesn't need to revolve around sex. A man could tempt another man with power, luxury, friendship.

Agreed... succubi and incubi are first and foremost sexual tempters, traditionally striking while their victims sleep, hence the 'Nightmare' Alucard had in SotN... in the Castlevania series they seem to focus on illusions rather than seduction, so I guess that would work.

A large part of the vampire mythos hints at homosexuality being more prevalent among them. Vampires are nigh immortal; boredom can easily lead to "trying new things", but that's the tip of the iceberg. Vampires are powerful, and lonely. They would be attracted to each other as rivals and partners. In the Ann Rice books, it's quite common for straight vampires to practice some seduction on mortals or other vampires.

I've always thought of it being more a byproduct of vampires not having a sexual preference because... well, they're vampires.  But they come off as very hedonistic and thence can be sexual.

In a similar vein, an Incubus could tempt a male character promising him sex with women. "Come with me, and we'll have all the women you can dream of".

That's an interesting idea.

[Kale]

Agreed... succubi and incubi are first and foremost sexual tempters, traditionally striking while their victims sleep, hence the 'Nightmare' Alucard had in SotN... in the Castlevania series they seem to focus on illusions rather than seduction, so I guess that would work.

I've always thought of it being more a byproduct of vampires not having a sexual preference because... well, they're vampires.  But they come off as very hedonistic and thence can be sexual.

That's an interesting idea.

Maybe Dear little Adrian has an oedipus complex... the real kind.

[Abnormal Freak]

Lilith (Adam's first wife who became a succubus)

According to Jewish mythology, heh, but not as part of their faith. Lilith and the idea of Adam having a wife before Eve is entirely unbiblical.

[Pentagram-cracker]

According to Jewish mythology, heh, but not as part of their faith. Lilith and the idea of Adam having a wife before Eve is entirely unbiblical.

Yeah, but it's still cool to read about. I love mythology of any kind. 

Also here's an idea, but I'm not sure Konami could get away with it. Incubi not only seduce mortal women, they're known to attack and rape them too. In the old days whenever women were victims of rape they used to blame it on incubi and would believe that the bastard children the woman birthed would also grow up to be a rapist.

I could see an inucubus in Castlevania attempting to rape a female protogantist, or even better would be a male protogantist with a female lover who he has to rescue from being raped by an incubus. Of course it doesn't have to be as dirty as that sounds, it could just be an implied thing. Like maybe the incubus posesses her and the main character has to release the demon from her body without killing her.

[darkwzrd4]

Maybe Dear little Adrian has an oedipus complex... the real kind.

Now that's funny and I'm an Alucard fan too.  On another note,  I think the having an Incubus enemy in the series isn't a bad idea at all.  It all comes down to how it is executed.  Hell, in terms of story, it would make sense to have both a incubus and a succubus guarding the same room.  This way one can distract/tempt the hero/heroine while the other slaughters them.  The two of them could even be lovers (that is if demons can love).

[Pentagram-cracker]

Well according to some legends when succubi collect semen from mortal men it's the incubus who takes it to impregnate the succubus so she can give birth to new baby demons. So it could be possible to have an evil succubus/incubus couple, and I could see them working together in a boss fight to torture a mortal to death with their powers.

[Kale]

Well according to some legends when succubi collect semen from mortal men it's the incubus who takes it to impregnate the succubus so she can give birth to new baby demons. So it could be possible to have an evil succubus/incubus couple, and I could see them working together in a boss fight to torture a mortal to death with their powers.

What are they gonna do? Masturbate a Belmont to death?

[Pentagram-cracker]

What are they gonna do? Masturbate a Belmont to death?

 lol that was pretty funny.

But I don't think they have to fight sexually like the Lament of Innocence succubus. They could just blast magical powers at the main character and maybe do some kicking or scratching. It'd be cool if the demon couple had like opposite powers, like the succubus could summon fire and the incubus could summon ice (I know that sounds like Twinrova from Legend of Zelda). It'd also be cool if they fought with teamwork, like the succubus could absorb magical attacks and the incubus could take those same magical attacks and blast them back at the main character.

[whitedragon_nall]

Why fire and ice and why not light and dark magic? We already have that in LoS. They can improve that for the sequel and jazz up the bosses a bit. It'd be cool to have to switch up your magic attacks while fighting 2 bosses. The succubus can be dark magic so she will only be hurt by light, and the incubus can be light magic so he will only be hurt by dark. Combine that with your magic absorption idea and we have a pretty interesting boss battle.