Topic: IGA --Le Requiem?

[DragonSlayr81]

Exactly. You don't have to like that Mathias is Vlad, but in IGA's CV, he is.

I do remember that line, but what it does tell me is that Mathias, who has the Chrimson stone, is Death's lord and master.

-X

But that's exactly what I said too. Mathias IS Death's lord and master, and happens to be the wielder of the Crimson Stone(as well). Same thing. But it didn't specifically say that the Crimson Stone is the reason why Mathias is Death's master. It's one of those accounts where people might read too much into things. And, considering how IGA treats the Crimson Stone as simply a plot device for Mathias to gain his power to become the Dark Lord, and it's significance and power is lost, YET Death remains loyal to Dracula after his reincarnation as Soma(no doubt Death would love Soma to claim his Dark Lord status so things could go back to normal).

[X]

YET Death remains loyal to Dracula after his reincarnation as Soma(no doubt Death would love Soma to claim his Dark Lord status so things could go back to normal)

Where did you read this? I've played AoS and DoS but have never encountered such info, cut-scenes or otherwise. You fight death in both those games but there is no dialogue. Is there a website?

-X

[KaZudra]

yeah, but since soma was good, he is stonger that evil to truimph, but to turn evil at his peak is what makes Soma's Boss fight Much Harder than Dracula, and dracula didn't fully use the power of dominence, thus his reincarnation did.

[Lumas]

what he said ^^^

Debate not over, because it would be an attempt to fix that little crazy thing IGA did with Mathias being Dracula really no one is debating that they are different yes they are the same in IGAs universe but what we were discussing is if they attempted to fix that whole mathias being dracula thing if they decided to do that. Not saying they should, though i would prefer it personally. But anyway there was no debate over the two being different just that if they did fix it and if they were debating then thats just silly you guys.

[Lumas]

Debate not over, because it would be an attempt to fix that little crazy thing IGA did with Mathias being Dracula really no one is debating that they are different yes they are the same in IGAs universe but what we were discussing is if they attempted to fix that whole mathias being dracula thing if they decided to do that. Not saying they should, though i would prefer it personally. But anyway there was no debate over the two being different just that if they did fix it and if they were debating then thats just silly you guys.

Course by that logic then yeah the debate would be over since there should not have been one to begin with lol

[KaZudra]

If Mathias was not Dracula, why does Soma Resemble him so much?

[Munchy]

Wait... Mathias changes his name and outfit? Oh man, I'd love some artwork with Mathias wearing one of those Groucho nose-and-glasses things in the middle of a crowd.

[DragonSlayr81]

YET Death remains loyal to Dracula after his reincarnation as Soma(no doubt Death would love Soma to claim his Dark Lord status so things could go back to normal)

Where did you read this? I've played AoS and DoS but have never encountered such info, cut-scenes or otherwise. You fight death in both those games but there is no dialogue. Is there a website?

-X

Again, the little hints when Dracula's not around shows Death's loyalty. Especially in PoR. Then, of course, there's the novella that takes place after DoS(the one with Curtis Lang) where Olrox seeks to take over Dracula's reign of darkness, and is super pissed at him because of it. Death still seems loyal to his long gone Master, and that's after both Sorrow games. Though, it would be interesting to have a full translation of the novella to get the specifics.

[darkwzrd4]

I surprised that Death didn't have a bigger role in the Sorrow games, especially in AoS (I don't really like to think of DoS as cannon due to the fact that it doesn't really impact the overall story).  I mean I would think that he can sense Soma's dark power.  I would have made it so that Soma encounters Death several times.  The first time would be the following:
Death: Interesting.  What is a kid doing in my late master's castle? 
Soma: I'm not here by choice.  Some how I was transported.

A battle begins.
D: You're pretty strong kid.  I also sense that you have a dark power.  Who are you?
S: My name is Soma.  All I'm looking for is a way to get home.
D: Well Soma, I'll let you live for now.

The second meeting:
D: Still alive I see.  You seem to have gotten stronger and your power is very familiar.  Fascinating. 
S: What do you mean familiar?
D: Your powers resemble those of my late master.  How does a human possess them?
S: I don't know. I first became aware of my abilities when I came to this castle.
D: Is that so?  I wonder...  No, it can't be!!!  I must be going, there are others in the castle to deal with.

Third encounter:
Soma arrives in a room where he witnesses Arikado and Death arguing
Arikado: What are you planning?  Your master is gone.
Death: You forget the prophecy.  I am waiting for the new master to ascend to the throne.  I have already encounter a few individuals how may be the one. You are one of them.
A: Never!!! I'll never follow in His footsteps!!!
Soma: Arikado!!! What is going on!?  What does he mean that you are one of them!?
A: That doesn't matter.  You still have to do what I told you.
D: Arikado?  So, that is the name you're using now.  Interesting.  Farewell for now.
S: What does he mean "the name you're using now"?
A: It's irrelevant.  You just need to focus on getting to the throne room.

Forth encounter:
After beating Graham, but before the fight with Julius.
Death: So, I was right.  You're the one.  You're my new master.
Soma: I want nothing to with you.  All I want is to return to the way I was before I came to this castle and go home.
D: You would abandon all this power?  So, be it.  We'll see if the next person will ascend to the throne.  However, in the mean time.  I will destroy you.

After the fight:
Death: Damn you!!!  You could rule the world if you want too.
Soma: Sorry, but I have no interest in that.

The rest of the game is the same until after the final boss:
At the shrine game
Mina: You're finally awake
Soma: Are we back
M: yes.
S: Good.
Arikado: You did well.  Yoko has been brought to a hospital for further treatment.
S: Now that it's over, I want to know everything:  Who are you, really? And, why did it seem that you had encounter Death before?  I was as if you two knew each other for a long time.
A:  Fare enough.
Arikado transforms into his true form (Alucard)
Soma & Mina together: What!!!
M: So beautiful!!!!
A: This is my true appearance.  My name is irrelevant.  I am Dracula's one and only child.  However, my mother is human.  And, yes, I've known Death for centuries.
S: Then why not ascend to the throne?
A: I'm not evil and I don't want to follow in my father's footsteps.
S: What about Julius?  Aren't you worried that he may try to kill you?
Julius: I won't.
S: Why?
J: He has been my family's greatest ally for centuries.

This is some of my thoughts that could have been used in AoS that would have given Death a bigger role.  I'm thinking about writing a fan fiction of AoS using these ideas.

[Flame]

I'm surprised that Death, y'know, the master of souls, doesn't recognize his master's soul. I would think he would want to stop Graham from claiming his master's powers. And that he would want Soma to become Dracula once more.

Although then again, by the time Soma was already on the brink of light and dark, Death was well, dead. (defeated again, anyway)

[Chernabogue]

The storyline of AoS/DoS would have been a lot better than it is with a more important role for Death. In almost every newer game, Death had an important role (final LoI boss, Zead in CoD, final boss in PoR w/ Dracula, etc.) I can't believe they didn't make any dialogue with him.

[CapComMDb]

There's this same kind of Sakamoto bashing on practically every Metroid forum. People on the get so riled up about someone they haven't even met just because he makes a game they don't like. So much anger, yet so impotent to do anything... 

Let's put it this way:

Iga has made good games in the past.
Iga's other main contribution was to solidify a timeline that had previously been a random collection of games.
Practically nobody in this industry can write for beans (and now Kojima is included), so hire the people who can.
If Iga can make another good Castlevania, then who cares?

The only trouble is Iga needs to do something fresh. He's been remaking the same game for the past 10 years. 2D Castlevania is thus starting to look a lot like Mega Man. If he can't do anything new that sells, then Konami will give the series to someone else. That's really what it comes down to, and Lords of Shadow is proof of that.

[X]

That whole Death/Soma/Arikado thing would've put a lot more substance into the game. But I was thinking on just how non-productive DoS was and I could see this whole affair giving it much, much more substance then what was already there. It would've made the story progress just that much more and DoS would be a much better game. That and minus the whole using souls to make weapons thing. That dragged the game on too long  in a bad way.

-X

[Sumac]

Iga's other main contribution was to solidify a timeline that had previously been a random collection of games.

Actually solid timeline existed before IGA.
He added new stuff, retconed some things, and overcomplicated it with some...questionable elements, like Dracula origin and Sorrow plot.

[Flame]

The Death/Dracula thing works in Julius mode in DoS, since Soma is Dracula, buuut since he fights you regardless of Dracula...