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Have you ever been violated by a Dark Priest?

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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2011, 08:53:12 PM »
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Denominations are really irrelevant IMO.  Catholic scandals just happen to be more widely publicized.  Every good joke has an element of truth however.  When I was growing up, some of the naughtiest girls I knew had fathers in the clergy.  A strict religious upbringing causes a backlash in quite a few people.  I heard Marilyn Manson was once an alter boy --or maybe that's just an urban legend...

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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2011, 10:00:59 PM »
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Well there we disagree. Having read a small amount of the greatness of St. Thomas Aquinas, and a small amount of The City of God, I think that many of the social agendas that the catholic church makes are important. And many of the charities it sponsors of which there are many and not all of them are well publicized, do a lot of good. I certainly don't agree with the sex scandals and I believe that there are people in the machine that aren't fit to run it, but I agree with much of its philosophy and its mission. Is it the one true way to god is a whole other situation and I'm not going there.
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2011, 04:15:03 PM »
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Jeez, it was just a joke.  Some people take this stuff waaaaay too seriously.
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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2011, 06:11:17 PM »
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And to think that God is the only one with any sense of humor at all. Anyone who's really heavy into religion needs to relax at just let things slide or be. We'd have far less fighting and wars if they did just that.

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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 06:56:36 PM »
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I'm not the sort that has multiple crosses in every room and reads the bible at least three times a day. However, using humor to jibe at things that have done more good than every single person on the forum combined riles the hell out of me.

I would have reacted the same or similarly to any number of topics being jibed at. I'm not sorry I did it.

Finally and very simply, I would rather be ruled by intolerant Christians than jihadi assholes. I don't care if my stand point offends you.

For those of you who question my 'has done more good' comment, consider the following.

1. Preserving education and literacy throughout the middle ages.
2. Mobilizing european forces against the islamic invaders. People who say that the islamics weren't trying to invade europe repeatedly throughout the middle ages, are liars. Point blank.
3. Instilling some form of moral order during periods when you could get away with virtually anything.
4. Helping administrate over europe throughout the middle ages.
5. Various charities.
6. The lives of genuine saints.
7. Maintaining Europe as a group of christian states rather than an islamic khalifate.

The list goes on.
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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2011, 08:48:08 PM »
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1. Preserving education and literacy throughout the middle ages.
This is, uh, entirely disingenuous. It was the islamic world that genuinely preserved the knowledge of the ancient world and expanded upon it: while the peasants and priests of europe were simply living and continuing forward, barely preserving literacy (the middle-dark ages in europe produced the least amount of work on philosophy or anything of the sort post-ancient Greece) and barely allowing for knowledge and understanding to continue, the islamic world was discovering and translating and preserving the works of the ancient greeks; of socrates, of plato, of aristotle; in turn, they expanded upon the knowledge bequeathed to them, charging forth through the arts and sciences. They, not the europeans of the middle ages, are responsible for much of western society as it has been since that time.

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2. Mobilizing european forces against the islamic invaders. People who say that the islamics weren't trying to invade europe repeatedly throughout the middle ages, are liars. Point blank.
I doubt that "lie" is the proper term here, lie implies a semblance of awareness of the untruth, an amount of deliberateness; rather, these people are mostly just unaware. To them, what they spoke was truth. Ultimately, it may not have been, but that does not mean that they lied.

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7. Maintaining Europe as a group of christian states rather than an islamic khalifate.
Art and science prospered under the islamic khalifate while the "christian states" did comparatively little. In that particular time period, I assert I would have rather lived under the khalifate than then the christian state.
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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 08:55:29 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 08:58:50 PM »
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opinion. I rather enjoy them.

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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 09:33:57 PM »
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Fact. Monks and nuns were able to both read and write. Fact. Most of the colleges that are founded in the period have churchmen and/or churchwomen as teachers. Regardless of whether or not they expanded upon what was already present, when the minds of the masses were again ready to read and study the information, it was there to be found. I guess the Schoolmen (the philosophic group) and the Doctors of the church didn't exist. I said 'preserve' as in 'prevent from being lost'. I didn't say 'preserve' in whatever sense you believe it to mean erroneously. Fact, The almodivars massacred whole cities of people at a time for being non-islamic. Fact, when the invaders were stopped at Tours, france, they had already massacred huge numbers of people and in general terrorized the place. In regards to the works of the ancients, the church did maintain them. They were used to train translators of documents. Just because they were a rare commodity doesn't mean they didn't EXIST in europe.

What of my other points, Joachim? People often trash the church for being intolerant and for spreading rumors. Well, in any rumor, there is some truth. For every 100 people who -don't- do what the 'ugly' rumor says, there will be 1 or 2 that actually DO what their accused of.  Trials of well-poisoners, counterfeiting alchemists, infanticides, and others who are generally lumped into the word 'heretic', do exist in the historical record. They exist in to great a number for -every single one- of them to be false. I'd rather say my prayers at night, even if I don't believe them at all, than drink from the well and die an agonizing death, or find out a maniac has kidnapped my child for indescribable reasons, or that every cent I have is completely fake and worthless. If anything, the church and states justices of the time were to LENIENT. To be a true justice system it must punish those of high or low station, no matter what.

X, if we let things 'just slide', our western non-islamic culture wouldn't exist. On the contrary, every culture that is living and vibrant needs people like me, who are staunch defenders of the section of the culture they adhere to.
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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 09:45:46 PM »
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So what does this have to do with Castlevania again?

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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2011, 09:50:39 PM »
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You did not understand my post, Grim. I did not disagree with the sentiment that the church did its job and that it prevented a total collapse. It preserved material, yes, and it certainly created; but what it preserved, and what it created, paled in comparison to what the islamic world preserved and created. Similarly, I did not mean to imply that there were no ancient texts, but - as above - what they had access to paled in comparison to what the khalifate had. The part that mentioned that was removed because, aside from that, it was overly redundant and I lost interest in the post.

My not mentioning it was because it was not all that relevant: it was an already established fact, and my focus was on what the islamic world contributed compared to the meager contributions of the christian world.

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What of my other points, Joachim?
They are of no concern to me. They're not well reasoned or rationalized, as with the ones I commented on, but not to such an obvious degree that I feel like replying.

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2011, 09:52:43 PM »
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To be fair, Islamic has done as much good and BAD to the world as Catholic church, and radical ones are far worse than Catholics however it doesn't matter in the end, it's how YOU act according to your beliefs and how much good YOU make the world, not your fellows believers.

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To be fair, Islamic has done as much good and BAD to the world as Catholic church,
I disagree, Shaft was better portrayed in Symphony than he was in DXC, better drawn too



i dunno but there's something awkward about his nose, maybe it's just me

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Re: The Dark Priest Appreciation Thread
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2011, 10:18:18 PM »
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I always thought Shaft was a vampire too, I mean, he survived richter, then came back as a ghost, then came back again and violated Richter,,, he's not a pussy at all

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 10:25:23 PM »
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To be fair, Islamic has done as much good and BAD to the world as Catholic church, and radical ones are far worse than Catholics however it doesn't matter in the end, it's how YOU act according to your beliefs and how much good YOU make the world, not your fellows believers.
Oh, of course; my point was really just that his point was historically inaccurate, and presuming that he knew (which knowledge of the islamic invasions would imply he did), that he wasn't being all that sincere in his presentation. lacking in frankness and candor, et cetera.

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Shaft was better portrayed in Symphony than he was in DXC, better drawn too
I dunno, I disagree. That nose is a lot better than most of the other noses people draw; its well proportioned and detailed.

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