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Who is the better Dracula?

Gabriel Belmont
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Mathias Cronquist
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I don't know. My mind was recently violated by a dark priest
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Who is the Better Dracula?
« on: June 07, 2011, 08:46:54 PM »
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So, now that Resurrection is available, we can finally fully see Gabriel's transformation in to Dracula.  With that in mind, which one do you think is the better Dracula?  Do like LoI's Mathias or LoS's Gabriel?  I personally like Gabriel better.  He doesn't manipulate people and we can actually see that he can really fight when he was human.  Ok, so he gets manipulated by those around him, but Mathias never did anything himself.  He simply used everyone to get what he wanted without actually getting his hands dirty and we don't even know how well he can fight as a human.  The fact is that if you took away their powers and weapons, Gabriel would most certainly kick Mathias's ass in hand to hand combat.  Mathias may have a degree of intelligence, but that wouldn't save him from Gabriel sheer will power and combat skills.
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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2011, 08:56:37 PM »
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Mathias would probably manipulate Gabriel into doing his bidding without having to resort to hand-to-hand combat.
So, Mathias.

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 09:05:18 PM »
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Spoilers abound in this post, so if you don't want them, don't read.

I like Gabriel because he is more relatable, and proved himself as a truly powerful hero of times past.

As you play LoS, you journey with Gabriel and personally witness his descent into darkness. He's a real tragic hero. He is brought along on this journey in the hopes that he might be able to resurrect his wife as a result. He is coaxed along and made to defeat the Lords of Shadow, and eventually Satan himself. He is forced into becoming a lord of shadow himself in order to finish the fight. He gives up everything, puts in his all... and the mask does nothing more than present an illusion of the dead being alive. He is betrayed by everyone around him, and finds himself to be used as a puppet for others at his own expense.

As if that weren't enough, defeating the lords allowed the Forgotten One to be released, so even after losing it all, Gabriel is called yet again to fight, his only motivation being the protection of mankind. The good that is still in him allows him to do this. He then is forced to remove that good and become a vampire himself in order to finish the job. He goes into the Forgotten One's realm with only one mission in mind. Kill the Forgotten One. He gets the job done, and his demonic VamPowers awaken. Before this fight, he refers to himself as a "dragon", and the FO his prey. And of course, during his first encounter, he says that classic line, "Enough talk. HAVE AT YOU!"

With nothing left to return to, and no goodness left in him, he is cursed to wander the land for all eternity as a dark shell of his former self. He renames himself to Dracul, meaning "dragon", the title he gave himself before the final encounter with the FO.

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2011, 09:17:47 PM »
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Mathias would probably manipulate Gabriel into doing his bidding without having to resort to hand-to-hand combat.
So, Mathias.
Great way to pick your argument, by creating an imaginary silly fight between not related characters, yay.

I can't pick yet, i somehow liked Mathias, I mean, the man was crazy. We've just witnessed the very very beginning of Dracula in LoS I need to know more about him AS Dracula to make out my mind

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 09:41:11 PM »
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Great way to pick your argument, by creating an imaginary silly fight between not related characters, yay.


The fact is that if you took away their powers and weapons, Gabriel would most certainly kick Mathias's ass in hand to hand combat.  Mathias may have a degree of intelligence, but that wouldn't save him from Gabriel sheer will power and combat skills.

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2011, 10:57:05 PM »
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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 12:07:24 AM »
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I vote for Jason Isaacs because he should have been Dracula.

I liked Dracula better before all this origin crap though, so I guess Shaft has violated my mind and left only a copy of Castlevania III.

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 12:56:46 AM »
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Even if I haven't see Resurrection's end, I'll vote for Gabriel. His story is ten times better than Mathias' IMO.

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 03:26:32 AM »
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Gabriel w/o a doubt. I'll just repost my reasons from another thread....


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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 03:56:40 AM »
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Nice... How about a spoiler tag?

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 07:13:20 AM »
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Mathias, as I've gone on about already elsewhere. He's the manipulative chessmaster of his tale, not a reactionary, reluctant protagonist who's little more than a victim of circumstance. He is of his own making. The motivation is clearer, the character's deeds more sensible in relation to what his role in the story is, and the end result more satisfying to me than Gabriel's murky journey through endless machinations, somehow ending up as Dracula in the end because the plot dictates it. Nothing else sure does.

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 05:03:23 PM »
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I liked Dracula better before all this origin crap though, so I guess Shaft has violated my mind and left only a copy of Castlevania III.

This^^^^

Personally, from the two origins, I prefer Mathias one. I don´t like the idea that you are controlling a "hero" that willl become with the time in the main villian. But, sincerely, when I end LoI, and see the Mathias/Dracula origin, I dont get convinced a lot. But, I prefer it among the LoS one. But I too prefer the unknow origin (in videogames) of the classic CVs.

So, I don´t having another option. I will pick up the third one :'(.
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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 05:29:19 PM »
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I also prefer Dracula in older Castlevanias - Where Dracula was Dracula. Not Mathias or Gabriel or Soma or part of Chaos or whatever the fuck he is in newer Castlevanias. History states that Vlad the Impaler was actually a person, not a soul or a Chaos, and he didn't turn into dragons or snowmen (the CV1 boss looks likes a yeti with wings) or flying goat man. LOL

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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2011, 05:36:00 PM »
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I like Dracula to be evil, not some kind of tragic hero.Sure it's nice to learn about his motives, how he became a vampire, but other than that we shouldn't relate to him or  pity him. It makes him look almost too fragile. Plus I don't like this whole romantic vampire figure. It started with the Coppola movie, and it's been used too much not just in movies, but in video games. I want Dracula to be a real villain, not some kind of emo who becomes a vampire just because he lost his wife.
Still I prefer the LoI version to the LoS one. The LoS version is so wrong. Dracula CANNOT be a Belmont.Plus he got manipulated all the way, and it's so obvious .So I guess it's the second option....or my mind got violated by a dark priest yay.
I also prefer Dracula in older Castlevanias - Where Dracula was Dracula. Not Mathias or Gabriel or Soma or part of Chaos or whatever the fuck he is in newer Castlevanias. History states that Vlad the Impaler was actually a person, not a soul or a Chaos, and he didn't turn into dragons or snowmen (the CV1 boss looks likes a yeti with wings) or flying goat man. LOL
I agree. The historical figure, Vlad III the Impaler, was badass. He got kidnapped by the Turks when he was a kid ,  that's where he picked up his habit of impaling. Mathias Cronqvist prolly existed in real life. His name is kinda similar to Matthias Corvinus, a Hungarian king who lived around the same time as Vlad Tepes . 
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Re: Who is the Better Dracula?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2011, 05:53:23 PM »
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some kind of emo who becomes a vampire just because he lost his wife
Totally agree.

The part of Dracula I like most was that he had nothing to do with the awful Twilight :D

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