Topic: Question about Walter & Crimson Stone

[eternal night]

After Walter is defeated by Leon, why does he say "If only I had the Crimson Stone!".

According to the story, the Crimson Stone was made to steal the soul's of vampires as a means to gain power. Walter was already the most powerful vampire alive. (I can understand why Joachim desired the stone.)

What use would Walter have for this stone? And why would it give him the upper-hand against Leon?

Walter doesn't seem to be aware that Death is sworn to follow whoever is in possesion of the stone and he says that line before Death even appears, so I'm at a loss to explain this.

Any ideas?

[Kensuke]

In Reply To #1

I think the properties of the Crimson Stone were known to Walter, and that line effectively proves it.

It's implied that whoever has the Crimson Stone can cheat death. Ergo, Walter wouldn't be subject to permanent defeat. Which explains why Dracula can be killed 8 million times by the Belmonts, Morris family, and whatnot, but keep coming back for more. Death being Dracula's top General.

I suspect for the 1999 game, Dracula will be defeated by the Crimson Stone somehow being taken away by him. Which would be kinda cool, because it would mean that Death switches allegiance to YOUR side. But I dunno. There's also that whole "solar eclipse" BS.

- John

[Long John Silver]

As if getting Death to help you just because Drac doesn't control him anymore isn't. Just because he's the enemy of your enemy doesn't make him your friend.

The most from this i could see would be Death collecting Drac's soul after you beat him, then either departing or going after Julius's.

[Kensuke]

The enemy of your enemy is always you friend.

No, but seriously, I'm not implying that Death will come to your rescue and kill Dracula. Julius would still have his work cut out for him. Only that, as you point out, Death wouldn't be able save Drac anymore if he doesn't have the Crimson Stone. He says "Oh well...you had a good 900 year run, but I'm no longer obligated to help you anymore, and this is quite frankly getting ridiculous.".

He collects Drac's soul, and later reincarnates it into Soma (less the evil intentions).

At least that's the direction I THINK we're headed in.

- John

[Long John Silver]

I don't think Death is responsible for all that reincarnation bullshit. That'd give him even more work than he already has, reaping the souls, getting his ass handed to him by Belmonts etc.

Then after 1999 he's back at the castle, again enslaved by someone. Otherwise why would he even bother?

[crisis]

In Reply To #2
I don't think Dracula still has the Crimson Stone by 1999. I figure that he's gotten so powerful over the centuries he doesn't need it anymore. It was just a means for him to GAIN his power, and now that he gained it, he has no use for it anymore.

[eternal night]

Kensuke -

What about when Walter says "Surely with my powers I will come back."

This line implies that he doesn't need the Crimson Stone to cheat death.

[Kensuke]

In Reply To #7

Wishful thinking on his part. It's an assumption, not a fact. He doesn't come back. At least not anytime in Drac's supposed 100 year cycle. I think everything has been canonized up through 1999. Including the extant but poorly fleshed out Christopher story.

Maybe in a future side-game in the same vein as Bloodlines or PoR (aka, the Morris/LeCarde saga) it might happen, but I kinda doubt. It would be cheap re-use of a villan.

All IMO of course.

- John

[Baigan]

The story would be better if Walter did come back. As it is now, it was completely unnecessary for IGA to do it that way. Walter is such a throw-away Dracula-wannabe. Give him more relevance by having him come back in the gap after LoI and mounting a challenge against Dracula before losing. Make Dracula fight to be "Lord of all Vampires."

As for the Crimson Stone, Rinaldo was making a big deal about it too, seeming to imply the threat of the stone went over and above the threat of Walter. I am pretty sure he said it was sought after by all vampires. Perhaps Dracula absorbed many vampiric souls with it?

[Stigma Black]

I guess Walter coming back would've been totally awesome if...  you know, Mathias didn't... swallow his soul with the Crimson Stone and whatnot.


Yeah, I heard coming back from the dead is hard when you have no soul. Just... just something I heard somewhere.

[The Last Belmont]

Walter doesn't seem to be aware that Death is sworn to follow whoever is in possesion of the stone and he says that line before Death even appears, so I'm at a loss to explain this.

Any ideas?

I'm hoping the whole death thing is explained in another game,  cuz that's left really open in LOI.

[SymboliC]

All that will be explained when Saint Germain finally kicks ass in another game.

[DragonSlayr81]

There's no way Walter COULD come back, his soul was used to make Mathias into a powerful vampire. Had Leon JUST defeated Walter and Mathias would've never used the Crimson Stone to take Walter's powers for himself, perhaps Walter DID have enough power to resurrect himself the same way Dracula can be resurrected. But, I don't see him ever coming back. Walter's gone forever.

[The Last Belmont]

Yeah it'd be funny if he showed up in 99 and killed dracula and Julius takes all the credit when he leaves again.

St. Germaine : This time you goin down bitch!

(stops time and slaughters him)

That's what you get for fucking with my homeboy Hector mofo!

(Then leaves in a really cool looking haze of mist)

Julius : WTF just happened!?

(leaves and goes back to town)

townperson : so did you kill him?

Julius: Oh YEEAHHHH it was ALLLLLLLLL ME! That bitch didn't stand a chance against MYYYYYY awesome powers!!!,

(St Germaine shows up in front of him while he's takin' a shit)

Julius: Oh it's you again, what do you want.

St. Germaine: This Bitch! waves his hand and erases his memory. Take credit for my work will you asshole!

(people knock on the stall)

Another Townsperson: Hey buddy you okay in there I've been banging on this stall for 6 hours now, c'mon I can't hold it anymore you forget how to do it or something?

Julius: Hunh what!? What was I doing, what AM I doing? Looks down oh, must have ate too much damn cheese again.

[Steve]

In Reply To #2
I don't think Dracula still has the Crimson Stone by 1999. I figure that he's gotten so powerful over the centuries he doesn't need it anymore. It was just a means for him to GAIN his power, and now that he gained it, he has no use for it anymore.

Correct.  Igarashi confirmed in the interview in the Dawn of Sorrow strategy guide that the Crimson Stone was only needed for Mathias to gain his vampiric powers; after that, its purpose in the story was fulfilled.