Topic: Lollipop Chainsaw

[Abnormal Freak]

You're talking to someone who watches endless amounts of gory horror flicks and dabbles in the pinky violence genre. I think your argument is pretty much lost on me, dude. ;)

I'll continue to love SUDA51 till I'm old and gray and my arms fall off. Some of the most worthwhile gaming experiences I've had in the past decade.

That said, I'd love if Suda took an approach more akin to killer7. It's by far my favorite of his works.

[Abnormal Freak]

Also, while the whole zombie thing is certainly overplayed, Lollipop Chainsaw is excusable because (a) it kicks ass, and (b) it pays homage to some of the best zombie films ever, like Return of the Living Dead (O'Bannon Farm) and Lucio Fulci (Fulci Fun Center). Throw in a nod to Braindead (a.k.a. Dead Alive) and Dellamorte Dellamore (a.k.a. Cemetery Man) and I'll have cumstains in my pants for weeks.

[JR]

I'm probably going to be playing this one eventually. I just recently played Shadows of the Damned, and loved it so much that I played through the whole thing in one setting, something I've never done with a game that length (though it was a little on the short side). If that's the sort of stuff I can expect from SUDA51, sign me up.

I've also owned Killer 7 for several years, and No More Heroes for a few, but haven't played either yet (my backlog of games is a little crazy). After having played Shadows of the Damned, I'll probably get around to one or the other really soon.

[BingleGod]

Lollipop Chainsaw is excusable because (a) it kicks ass

This doesn't say anything.

and (b) it pays homage to some of the best zombie films ever, like Return of the Living Dead (O'Bannon Farm) and Lucio Fulci (Fulci Fun Center). Throw in a nod to Braindead (a.k.a. Dead Alive) and Dellamorte Dellamore (a.k.a. Cemetery Man) and I'll have cumstains in my pants for weeks.

Being excited by a homage Because It's A Homage fits right into the definition of a fetish, and fetishistic things never have any substance because they're about objectification. Zombies were interesting when they were an explorable symbol of xenophobia. Now, they are -- like I said -- a way for gamers to feel less guilt about being sociopaths when they gleefully kills hundreds of zombies, guts and limbs flying everywhere. Which is funny, because that's still a form of xenophobia as expressed through interactive discretion, but the games have nothing to do with that idea, so it's just violence for violence's sake.

You don't seem to have an argument outside of "this's gon' fuckin' raWK!!!"
But that's pretty much what I expected from people playing this kind of game.

[Abnormal Freak]

There really IS no other reason to like it. :p I like the absurd comedy and just how fun the experience is. It's ridiculous when people gotta overanalyze things to the point of needing some cultural-social-significant-buttfuck-bullshit to enjoy entertainment. Goddamn, dude, get off your pseudo-intellectual pedestal, no one cares.

Also, sheezus, why are you making serious retorts to my obviously silly, not-wanting-or-needing-to-make-a-convincing-or-deeply-thought-out-argument reasons for liking the game? It's kind of baffling. I like objectification, fetishism, voyeurism, immaturity, and mindlessness in my entertainment—and I've never felt a desire to explain it to myself other than, "I like it." It's like Kevin Eastman comics, which are rife with profanity, sex, violence, and so forth. It's the kind of thing an adolescent male would think is awesome—and it is! There doesn't need to be any kind of wink to the audience in order for any of it to be acceptable. It just seems to me like you're atop a Grand High Horse with a ten-foot Golden Rod up your ass.

[TheouAegis]

It's like in movies. Most of the people that make movies don't get royalties. Same with games. Most of the people that make games don't get royalties. The companies pay off some people to make their shit then hope they make more than they paid the people. Hell, look through a list of video game staff. Nowadays game credits are almost as long as movie credits. You think everyone that made Prometheus will make money based on ticket sales and Blu-Ray sales? Hardly. More like 10 or 20 people will. Same with video games at a smaller level, with only 3 or 4 people probably getting royalties and even then it won't be rolling in much cash.

I won't buy this game because I don't have a console to play it on.

[Kale]

It's not all that unusual, really. I simply don't want to put my money towards a product where some of that money would wind up in the hands of a person who may have molested a child. I pass up a lot of games these days for similar reasons.

Eh... I'm going to have to agree with Jorge on this.

1, like Jorge said, if you follow such philosophies, and more so if it applies to other unscrupulous actions, you'd have to pretty much give up on life... because it might change hands once or twice but it'll always end up somewhere with someone you don't want to have it. Like not buying a computer because of foxconn (because pretty much every major computer product went through foxconn).

and 2, there are bad eggs everywhere, you shouldn't let that affect your life.

But that's just me, I guess.

This doesn't say anything.

I think it does... mainly because for me... being overplayed doesn't mean anything, being bad does. If it's good, or kick ass, as said, it is fine by me.

This game does look pretty bad ass imo, I want to play it...

[PFG9000]

I simply don't want to put my money towards a product where some of that money would wind up in the hands of a person who may have molested a child. I pass up a lot of games these days for similar reasons.

Why don't you just buy it used?  That's what I did with the Silent Hill HD collection, because I don't want Konami getting my money or my purchase stat for such shoddy work.

[Abnormal Freak]

What's wrong with the Silent Hill HD Collection? D: Aside from the original SH3 voices not being present. I'm just curious 'cos I was intending to get it eventually. Think I heard the PS3 version had some problems that have been patched or maybe Konami said they'd patch it but never did...

[thernz]

Graphics were pretty much washed out, screwed up in shaders, etc.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

I'm definitely giving the game more thought. Still, the man's getting paid, no matter what I do. So, Suda51 may get my money yet.

Quoted, as it seems a few people missed this post of mine.

In the time since that exchange, it's moved into my Amazon shopping cart, awaiting my next influx of cash.

[GuyStarwind]

Don't know if she's been mentioned yet but Jessica Nigri does a pretty good cosplay as the cheerleader girl from this.
Here's a link to a pic of her if anyone is interested Wondercon 2012 – Juliet // Lollipop Chainsaw // Jessica Nigri

[Abnormal Freak]

Nigri isn't just a good cosplayer, she's the official real-life face of Juliet Starling, at least in the Western world. I think Japan eventually got their own (black-haired) representative.

Anyway, Warner and GhM have taken Nigri all around the world. She's pretty cute, though I think I would have preferred it if Murder Nurse had won the contest. Maybe.

[vyck_st.judas]

I wonder how hard it would be to make a Juliet sprite? OOE has chainsaws. Her actual in game moveset is a whole 'nother animal.
On a side note, this being a Suda 51 game after all, I jokingly told my girlfriend to try and look up Juliet's skirt as Suda is notorious for weird shit like that. "Maybe she says something?"...
Not only does she have a full-on unique animation, and voiced lines for this out of the blue scenario, But you got a f#@king achievement for trying. Attention to detail... just wow.

On a side note, Killer 7 is 1 of Suda's top games, But IMO not his best. Suda 51 is also responsible for
Super Fire Pro Wrestling X Premium. I wont spoil the ending, but it happens to have one of the DARKEST freaking storylines I've ever encountered in a wrestling game, let alone an SNES title. 

[DragonSlayr81]

There really IS no other reason to like it. :p I like the absurd comedy and just how fun the experience is. It's ridiculous when people gotta overanalyze things to the point of needing some cultural-social-significant-buttfuck-bullshit to enjoy entertainment. Goddamn, dude, get off your pseudo-intellectual pedestal, no one cares.

I see the same thing happening where people rip apart every super hero movie because they don't go the social commentary route like TDK did. People saying, "Oh, but we wanna THINK. Give us something to THINK about! ALL movies should be like that!". Give me a fuckin BREAK! And yeah, it pisses me off with games. You hear it a LOT, actually. Everybody wants game stories to be more deep, poetic and philosophical. BORE!!! I'm not saying I don't mind something thought provoking here and there, but for everything to follow suit just for the sake of shit, piss off. I find as much enjoyment in the shallow ass, generic plot games as I do with the deep, mind bending ones. Who says you can only like one or the other? When every people do that, they rob themselves of the greater pleasure of liking BOTH!

Really, some people are stumped at how the Super Mario franchise is still popular, because of it's basic story. I, personally, can play those games over and over again. Just "saving the princess", in those games, works better than if they hired some professional writer to pen out this deep and complex story for a Mario game. Oddly enough, I feel the same about CV. I have no qualms about "Belmont ventures to defeat Dracula, saves the countryside" basic of basic plots. Like I tend to say, regarding things of basic or generic plots, it's not Point A and Point B that's important, more than it is the journey between those points. Give me a generic JRPG, where you travel the world and eventually defeat a god-like final boss and save the entire world! It doesn't matter if it's been done, what happens through the meat of the journey is what MAKES the game! The character interaction, the misadventures and side-quests.

But yeah, can't stand the snobs. Not because they think a certain way more than they try to coinvince people that their way is the definitive way, and if you think otherwise, you're wrong(uneducated, uncouth, behind the times and ignorant). IMO, they are the whole artsy fartsy clique-types. The ones who can look at a squiggle on canvas and exclain how they feel the artist's pain and frustration for what ever trauma such stroke represents, and then, in unison, they all start snapping their fingers. I've actually seen this type of attitude here before(on the main CV board), and it always churns my stomach. It reminds me of the "College Know-it-all Hippies" from that one South Park episode, which are basically early year college students who are so impressionable, professors have "opened their eyes" to society's truths, so now they go around telling people(ignorant masses that don't have the opportunity of being enlightened as they have been) how wrong they are for giving into the machine... yadda yadda...LOL!