Topic: General Mega Man Discussion Thread

[X]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Megman's helmet animation being backwards. Starts with it on and then it teleports away.

Goddammit! I missed that completely!

[Neobelmont]

Got megaman 3 as a early christmas gift yay here I come proto.

[VladCT]

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/354925
Enjoy the nostalgia, folks.

[Munchy]

So you guys must play this. It's an incredibly slick Mega Man clone for Flash.

http://king-soukutu.com/flash/rokko.html

[X]

That Flash game is solid! Not only does it play like Mega Man but the difficulty's there too. I wonder if you can download it..?

[crisis]

questions that have no answer(s), as far as i know:


Who was that Reploid that sealed away Zero in X6's ending?

What was that thing that Lumine attached to Axls helmet crystal that shines briefly in X8's ending?

What are the four remaining "Shining Weapons," and who used them?

What happened to Wily's presence in the X series after X6?

What is Master Thomas plan for the world in ZX Advent's epilogue?

Is the original Rockman & X one in the same? (was never confirmed or denied..)

Why does Protoman have a "fatal defect" in his system at the end of MegaMan 2: The Power Fighters?

What exactly happened to Bass & Duo leading up to 21XX?

Who created Zero's copy body after his original was sealed inside Omega's?

Where the hell in the universe did Ra Moon come from?

Where the hell in the universe do Duo & the Evil Robot he battles come from?

When will Trigger finally get off the moon??

[X]

Lot's of questions there Crisis...some of which I've been asking myself. Most of all, this one:

Is the original Rockman & X one in the same? (was never confirmed or denied..)

I'm fairly confident that X and Mega Man are two separate creations though very similar (i.e. Dr. Light built). For me anyways, the only real conclusion as to them being two different creations is the year. Mega Man was running around in 200X and he expires sometime in 20XX. X was built in 20XX, sealed up for a century and then brought online in 21XX. 20XX is the year that both Mega Man and Mega Man X would be in existence simultaneously. Now I know this is a stretch since 20XX is 2010 to 2099. But I also know that while Mega Man was simply a humanoid robot, X was much, much more. Using this logic I can assume that the two are not the same unless we hear the facts from the official source materiel.

[Inccubus]

I thought Keiji Inafune said in an interview or something that Megaman and X are not the same being. Hmmm...

As for the origins of Ra Moon, Duo & the Evil Robot, I always kinda assumed from looking at their designs that the were from the same civilization. BTW, is there a specific designation for Duo before he was rebuilt by Dr. Light? Isn't he called Duo because he was reconstructed wising parts from both robots? Oh! And also, aren't the Star Droids (MMMGB5) from an extraterrestrial source too?

[Flame]

Ooooh boy.... Time to get to work...

*cracks knuckles*

Who was that Reploid that sealed away Zero in X6's ending?

A scientist. As far as we know, hes not really any important character. Although it's possible he might be the same scientist who talks to X during Zero's second sealing in the Telos Drama Track "Elf Wars Retrospect"

What was that thing that Lumine attached to Axls helmet crystal that shines briefly in X8's ending?

Your guess is as good as ours.

What are the four remaining "Shining Weapons," and who used them?

Well, it's never been stated. Though there are 4 particular characters who could fit the bill.

Axl,
Massimo,
Marino,
Cinnamon

What happened to Wily's presence in the X series after X6?

It was dropped like a rock.

I personally like to think that after seeing Zero defeat Creations made from his own DNA, Including Gate himself, who's battle body was the culmination of his research and study of it, he was satisfied with Zero, regardless of him not following his original mission.

IOW, He sees Zero as having proved himself stronger than X in his eyes.

But officially, we dont know.

What is Master Thomas plan for the world in ZX Advent's epilogue?

To reset the world. Though im not entirely sure about what he meant by his speech on bodies and such.

Is the original Rockman & X one in the same? (was never confirmed or denied..)

Nope, X is Rock's little brother. Completely different, but with a similar design.

Why does Protoman have a "fatal defect" in his system at the end of MegaMan 2: The Power Fighters?

His energy system is defective.
When he was built, he ran away. That defect eventually shut him down.
Wily found him, and thinking the original Light  generator itself was the issue, replaced it with a Nuclear reactor. (along with a combat upgrade and a redesign including helmet with shades so Light wouldnt recognize him) Unfortunately, that didnt solve the problem. But he doesnt trust Light, so he wont allow him to fix it. He feels he would loose his individuality, his free will.

What exactly happened to Bass & Duo leading up to 21XX?

Duo? he went back to space. Bass and co. though? Noone knows. but Zero certainly had nothing to do with it.

Who created Zero's copy body after his original was sealed inside Omega's?

Good question.

Where the hell in the universe did Ra Moon come from?

Earth I think... It's an ancient supercomputer. If It came from space though, Do you really expect anyone to know that?

Where the hell in the universe do Duo & the Evil Robot he battles come from?

Really far away in the universe.

When will Trigger finally get off the moon??

Ask Capcom.

and he expires sometime in 20XX

There is nothing to suggest he ever expires.

official source materiel.

Pretty sure Inafune mentioned it some time... Ill get you a source later.

is there a specific designation for Duo before he was rebuilt by Dr. Light?

Im pretty sure his name was always Duo. That's what he refers to himself as.

aren't the Star Droids (MMMGB5) from an extraterrestrial source too?

I believe so. From an Ancient Alien civilization. He found them while excavating some ruins and reprogrammed them to serve him.

[crisis]

Well in the ending, he's labelled as a "mysterious Reploid," the one responsible for sealing "the destroyer of Reploids," so I'd assume he would've been a fairly important character plot-wise. Gate was important because he discovered Zero's DNA circuit board, "Ciel's ancestor" was important because she created the Mother Elf & we dont even know her name. This "mysterious Reploid" deserved some explanation, how he came into contact with Zero, etc. but as with most things in the series, looks like we'll never know for sure.

Axl's guns might be one of the legendary weapons, but I'd like to think the other weapons were wielded by Reploids other than the Command Mission characters (which were pretty forgettable anyway IMO). I'd like to think they were unique Reploids that could've fought in the Elf Wars.

I know Master Thomas wants to reset the world, but what's exactly wrong with it? It's all just typical cliche villain talk, I know.

I know it's been hinted at in interviews that Rock & X are separate, but if I recall it still was never 100% officially confirmed in any game, despite Keiji's opinions (which he left pretty vague if I recall, but I dont remember him outright saying 'they are 2 different robots, debate over guys'). A lot of conflicting stuff has been said (I love how they say Harpuia, Fafnir, & Leviathan supposedly died in Omega Zero's explosion scene at the end of Z3, but when that official image of them alive & well, looking up at Ragnarok's destruction in the sky alongside cyber-Phantom & cyber-X they then decide to say 'umm well that was just for fun.' gimme a break) which I pretty much sum it up as Capcom saying "we'll let the player decide for themselves." Makes more sense that as Light aged, he wanted Rock to withstand the future but knew his current technology & limited mind wouldn't last, so he slowly but surely "transformed" him into X. And until we see a game or artwork that shows Megaman in Light's lab while a half-completed X is on a stretcher in the background with wires attached to his circuits, this is what I'll continue to go by. Just my thoughts.

[X]

There is nothing to suggest he ever expires.

This is true, however there's nothing to say he's still up and running even during the time of X and Zero. At least not that I'm aware of. I was surprised to learn that Roll was still around, but I would really like to know myself if Rock is also still around.

[Flame]

Axl's guns might be one of the legendary weapons, but I'd like to think the other weapons were wielded by Reploids other than the Command Mission characters (which were pretty forgettable anyway IMO). I'd like to think they were unique Reploids that could've fought in the Elf Wars.

Forgettable? Your opinion maybe. I loved them. And lets not forget during the events of Command Mission, they are technically Maverick Hunter Deputies. And of considerable power as well, considering they were able to take down the rebellion, AND storm Eastern Hunter HQ to confront Redips.
Massimo himself is a local hero, and I cant imagine any of them just sitting around during the Elf Wars. They would be out there fighting with the rest. And considering Great Redips is canonically the strongest enemy X and Co. have ever faced, that makes them pretty likely to have been weilders of 4 of the 10 Shining Arms.

It helps that there just so happens to be 4 of them, and 4 weapons left to account for.

I know Master Thomas wants to reset the world, but what's exactly wrong with it? It's all just typical cliche villain talk, I know.

pretty much. Albert wanted to reset the world and remake it with himself as God, And Thomas pretty much seems to want something similar, but not the way Albert wanted to do it. IDK.

(I love how they say Harpuia, Fafnir, & Leviathan supposedly died in Omega Zero's explosion scene at the end of Z3, but when that official image of them alive & well, looking up at Ragnarok's destruction in the sky alongside cyber-Phantom & cyber-X they then decide to say 'umm well that was just for fun.' gimme a break)

Yeah. That illustration is considered just fanservice. Around the time it was made, I think there was no solid answer as to what had happened to the big 3 after Z3. or something like that.

which I pretty much sum it up as Capcom saying "we'll let the player decide for themselves."

That's pretty much always been a part of Inafune's philosophy with Megaman. Especially pertaining to Serges and Isoc being Wily.

I know it's been hinted at in interviews that Rock & X are separate, but if I recall it still was never 100% officially confirmed in any game, despite Keiji's opinions (which he left pretty vague if I recall, but I dont remember him outright saying 'they are 2 different robots, debate over guys').

 

Makes more sense that as Light aged, he wanted Rock to withstand the future but knew his current technology & limited mind wouldn't last, so he slowly but surely "transformed" him into X. And until we see a game or artwork that shows Megaman in Light's lab while a half-completed X is on a stretcher in the background with wires attached to his circuits, this is what I'll continue to go by. Just my thoughts.

Maverick Hunter X Shows Light building X. We see a half completed torso of X at one point, and Light converses with him, over how he is a new type of robot who can think for himself, how people are not ready for him, yadda yadda.

The games and sources always refer to them as separate characters. X is simply Megaman's successor. He is also different, and superior.

Plus it is not in Light's character to just delete Rock's brain and rebuild him as a new robot. Remember he views his creations, Rock and Roll especially, as his children. That would mean murdering his child.

When Cain found Light's lab, he found papers talking of a breakthrough with X. the breakthrough was of course, X's AI, which allows him complete free will, and the ability to think, reason and FEEL, on a Human level.

Also, i found that source I mentioned earlier.

Q&A with the Capcom Development Staff
Behind the Birth of “Rockman X”!

How is this connected to Rockman?

The new “Rockman X” is, to put it simply, a game that is set in the same world as the “Rockman” that appears on the Famicom. Only, the “Rockman” time period is set in 20XX A.D., while “Rockman X” takes place in 21XX. That is, “X” is set in a slightly later era.

Our protagonist this time is X, who is of course an entirely different person from Rockman. He’ll still have the Rockbuster on his left hand, the helmet, and everything that’s come to be associated with Rockman, but he is in fact a separate character. He is merely inheriting the world stage of the “Rockman” series, and that means the same familiar types of enemy characters will be around as well. Please think of this as new series set further along in the same universe.
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2010/07/05/rockman-x-origins-2/

[Inccubus]

I believe so. From an Ancient Alien civilization. He found them while excavating some ruins and reprogrammed them to serve him.

I believe it would be reasonable to associate Ra Moon with the Star Droids because it's stated that Ra Moon crashed on to Earth in ancient times. Additionally, it may not be beyond the realm of possibility that Duo could be considered to be from the same civilization. Cue fan-fic author to draft a story about the Star Droids being sent to Earth to find Ra Moon. (Actually, that could be a cool plot for a fan game too.)

About Duo'd name. I'm fairly confident that it's nothing more than Capcom deciding on the Character's name based on his design without thinking to properly explain his back story. Because, honesty, there's nothing about his pre-crash design that would make his name make any sense at all. ... That is unless Duo's opponent was his twin brother that got corrupted by the evil energy. Now that would make things much more interesting! ;P

[crisis]

It's good that you brought up Maverick Hunter X, since there are some issues with that game as well. Are we to assume that it retcons [or was intended to retcon] the original MMX? For instance, it heavily implies that Cain is killed in the missile strike Sigma made against the city. Yet Cain is clearly still active in X3 (and briefly mentioned in Japanese X4 i think, not 100% sure). Had they continued with this Maverick Hunter "reboot," I doubt Cain would've been involved in any way, much less a "background character" or anything.

Plus it is not in Light's character to just delete Rock's brain and rebuild him as a new robot.

So instead he'd rather replace him with a new surrogate son & either shut him down or let him roam free/send him to space/[insert 'what happened to Rock' theory here]? There's no reason for him to delete his mind, as like you say, it's not in his character. He's been sleeping for a century, hibernation sickness gets the best of him, he forgets his life as Rockman (just like Zero when he awakes in MMZ, doesn't remember a damn thing from his Maverick Hunter days, throughout the series). But then the argument occurs that Light doesn't speak to X as if he were Rock in MHX, which brings up my point I made in the previous paragraph; I guess we're picking & choosing what to follow, since there are contradictions in the story with Cain's death, when exactly Sigma's true motives kicked in, etc.

Remember he views his creations, Rock and Roll especially, as his children. That would mean murdering his child.

That's exactly my point. It's kinda lame how it's implied that Rock just "disappears" in the century before 21XX, makes more sense to me that he lives on as Rockman X. Sigma tells him that the "old man" he's in league with has passionate hatred for X, and knows him very well. This implies that either X/Rock are the same & Wily was always aware of this, or Wily just simply THINKS that X is his original nemesis, unaware that they are separate entities. Is it up to the player to decide, once again? It's a shame that these sourcebooks & obscure Japanese interviews are easily overlooked by the casual MM fan, since they seemingly contain all the forbidden knowledge of our beloved characters and certain plot points (X's "Suffering Circuit," for instance. no one would have a clue wtf you're talking about if you were to bring up the idea of such a thing in the years before, you guessed it, a sourcebook revealed it!)


At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if he is or he isn't. The "spirit" of MegaMan remained present, even thousands of years later.

[Flame]

It's good that you brought up Maverick Hunter X, since there are some issues with that game as well. Are we to assume that it retcons [or was intended to retcon] the original MMX? For instance, it heavily implies that Cain is killed in the missile strike Sigma made against the city. Yet Cain is clearly still active in X3 (and briefly mentioned in Japanese X4 i think, not 100% sure). Had they continued with this Maverick Hunter "reboot," I doubt Cain would've been involved in any way, much less a "background character" or anything.

The flashovers are much larger than the actual craters left by the missiles. It is entirely possible that it was meant to be a cliffhanger. Yknow, to be edgy. Besides, Wily has survived worse.

Besides the Cain matter though, There are no contradictions or retcons really. Anything that wasnt in X1 is just new material.

Only part that was changed, and its something that bugs me, is X being able to defeat Vile in the intro stage. But he loses anyway, so its not too big  a deal.

On Cain's X4 mention- The memo from Cain Labs was made by Capcom of America. It is not canon.

There's no reason for him to delete his mind, as like you say, it's not in his character. He's been sleeping for a century, hibernation sickness gets the best of him, he forgets his life as Rockman (just like Zero when he awakes in MMZ, doesn't remember a damn thing from his Maverick Hunter days, throughout the series).

Again, refer to X's conversations with Light during his construction. Light calls him X, and X asks if that is his name. To which Light says it is, and explains it's meaning.  he also does not know who Light is upon his initial activation. To which Light explains that he is Dr. Light, and he created him.

All throughout the flashback, and whenever Light refers to X it is as a different Robot.

Even in the Warning in the original Mega Man X.

"X" IS THE FIRST OF A NEW GENERATION OF ROBOTS WHICH CONTAIN AN INNOVATE NEW FEATURE - THE ABILITY TO THINK, FEEL, AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.

I guess we're picking & choosing what to follow, since there are contradictions in the story with Cain's death, when exactly Sigma's true motives kicked in, etc.

Cain's death is the only real point of debate. And for understandable reasons. Sigma's plans definitely were already in effect by the beginning of Day of Sigma. After all, he was the one making the construction Mechaniloids go berserk. Some time before Day of Sigma is when he decided he would rebel.

Sigma tells him that the "old man" he's in league with has passionate hatred for X, and knows him very well. This implies that either X/Rock are the same & Wily was always aware of this, or Wily just simply THINKS that X is his original nemesis, unaware that they are separate entities.

Wily became well aware of X some time after he had Built Zero and sealed him away due to his cognitive flaw causing disobedience and extreme violence. Zero's original purpose was to defeat both Bass and Rock, and help Wily take over the world. But when Zero turned out to be defective and was sealed away, That plan was put on hold. At some point though, either during or after X's creation, Wily became aware of him, and Zero's purpose was changed, and his mission became to destroy X, and therefore settle Wily's rivalry with Light. Zero would fight and kill X.

Unfortunately, circumstance changed all that, and fate had it that Zero was himself infected by the virus leaking from his capsule, which caused that W on his head. You know the story from there. He became good, Sigma became evil.

Wily however, as stated by Inafune, died in the interim, and was "brought back by the virus". Serges and Isoc are certainly Wily, and they both prove it. And Wily's goal is to get Zero to kill X. or just to kill X in general.

Is it up to the player to decide, once again? It's a shame that these sourcebooks & obscure Japanese interviews are easily overlooked by the casual MM fan, since they seemingly contain all the forbidden knowledge of our beloved characters and certain plot points (X's "Suffering Circuit," for instance. no one would have a clue wtf you're talking about if you were to bring up the idea of such a thing in the years before, you guessed it, a sourcebook revealed it!)

Good thing Udon has gotten all up in the business of Translating Mega man stuff. Who knows, someday we may get those.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if he is or he isn't. The "spirit" of MegaMan remained present, even thousands of years later.

He is definitely the spiritual successor. "Mega Man" is not a name, it is a title. A title inherited by those who fight for peace.