Topic: Timeline Analysis and Conflicts.

[A-Yty]

Nope, not just fanboyism. He just knows how to create interesting characters and how to provide good directing (even if story in general fail short).

Oh, I agree he has created memorable characters. And the original story (MGS) was good. But it just ballooned because he doesn't seem to know the basics of writing. I used to be a great fan of his, but nowadays I think of him as the M. Night Shamaylan of video games.

[Sumac]

Personaly I consider first three MGS (and MG2) to be very good games. MGS4 is where it fell down. Though, when it goes to directing it is very awesome game.

[crisis]

Messing around with the established legend of Vlad Tepes is a minor timeline flaw if/when you try to make LoI fit into it all. Retconning a detail like that or explaining it as being one of the false stories the people believed about Mathias/Dracula wouldn't be a disaster. Or that there was indeed a "Vlad Dracul" whom Mathias got rid of and intentionally let people believe he was the same person.

I don't see the conflict between Lament of Innocence and the older Castlevania games... besides Legends, of course. The future dark lord is born as Mathias Cronqvist, and sometime after becoming a vampire, he takes the name Vlad Tepes. There is no "real" Vlad to displace. In Castlevania's world, Leon's former buddy is the one and only person to use that name.

Here is an excerpt from a 2005 interview which solidifies these statements,



This is a cool pic of how I envision Vlad Tepes circa 1348, 128 years before CVIII:Dracula's Curse (and also the year the Black Death pandemic breaks out in Europe.. could've Dracula been responsible?? I'm FULL of gameplay/story ideas that could happen between this unknown period of Dracula's life/Belmont's struggle)

[Flame]

Where's that second pic from? Its awesome.

Actually, a Vania game like that would be pretty neat.

[Chernabogue]

Where's that second pic from? Its awesome.

[A-Yty]

Also, lots of people seem to dislike how Bloodlines did its best to merge Bram Stoker's Dracula and CV, so I'd imagine them preferring that the CV Dracula isn't actually the one in the book. Stoker's Drac wasn't into apocalypse and killing humans. He was "just" a vampire, so IMO it makes even more sense that the CV Drac was insanely furious at God and didn't act out of impulse, but instead spent a whole year planning his thing.

[Inccubus]

How so? It seemed pretty clear to me that Dracula's intent in Bram Stoker's story is to basically invade England and increase his power. And he does, in fact, have an insane hatred for god in much the same vein as Mathias does.

[X]

If they were to do a CV game that kicks off the Black Plague then it should be Count Orlock as that was more his thing. If the Mathias thing is to be believed then it wouldn't make sense for him to start killing off humanity as his second wife Elizabeta has yet to exist, let alone die at the hands of humans. She's the catalyst that starts Mathias down the road of revenge which would only happen just a few decades before CVIII.

[DragonSlayr81]

@Mortidicator - Tepes means Impaler in Romanian, Guess what....
Yeah, The whole Mathias Thing is a Complete Contradictory to even the first IGA game since Dracula was addressed as Vlad Tepes Dracula.

Actually, he wasn't. His name was written Dracula Vlad Tepes, which is arranged differently than Vlad Tepes Dracula. In Castlevania, "Dracula" is his first name. He's never referred to as "Vlad"(ever, to my knowledge). Name arrangement means everything. You don't think Ryan David Reeve is the same person as Reeve Ryan David, do you? Even if he was based on the REAL Vlad the Impaler, CV's Dracula, like Stokers(and all fantasy depictions) were always meant to be it's own thing. How they deviate from the source material is how they make it their own(in a way). It would suck if all depictions of Dracula tried to keep true to history, just for the sake of history buffs.

[KaZudra]

Actually, he wasn't. His name was written Dracula Vlad Tepes, which is arranged differently than Vlad Dracula Tepes. In Castlevania, "Dracula" is his first name. He's never referred to as "Vlad"(ever, to my knowledge). Name arrangement means everything. You don't think Ryan David Anderson is the same person as David Ryan Anderson, do you? Even if he was based on the REAL Vlad the Impaler, CV's Dracula, like Stokers(and all fantasy depictions) were always meant to be it's own thing. How they deviate from the source material is how they make it their own(in a way). It would suck if all depictions of Dracula tried to keep true to history, just for the sake of history buffs.

Dracula is a Surname, also in Asia, the Surname is First.

Plus the arrangement of the name is significant if you Literately Called Dracula Vlad the Impaler.

Stoker linked his Dracula to Vlad the Impaler, read the book again.

IGA Based His Dracula off of Matthias Corvinus, Which is related, but way off.

[DragonSlayr81]

If they were to do a CV game that kicks off the Black Plague then it should be Count Orlock as that was more his thing. If the Mathias thing is to be believed then it wouldn't make sense for him to start killing off humanity as his second wife Elizabeta has yet to exist, let alone die at the hands of humans. She's the catalyst that starts Mathias down the road of revenge which would only happen just a few decades before CVIII.

Well, IGA did say the Belmonts hunted "other" vampires before the reunion with Dracula. Orlock would be interesting. I always loved that character, and wrote a short fanfic called "Mitternacht" about his origin. That in the 1300s, he was one of the most fierce warriors of the king, but prior to the epidemic of the Bubonic Plague, the king got word that the town from where Orlock was from, where his wife and daughter reside, was overtaken by one of the first accounts of the plague. He chose to keep this information from Orlock, out of fear that if he went to be with his family, he'd too contract the plague and the king would loose his greatest knight. Orlock finds out out that the King, secretly, is sending a band of knights to raze the town and kill all survivors, while making it seem like it was an attack from the Turks. He sneaks out and travels to his town as the band of knights are killing the stragglers. Orlock dispatches the knights, then digs throught he mounds of corpses to find the bodies of his wife and child. He contracts the plague, but his hatred of his betrayal at the hand of his king pushes him through and he recovers the bodies, then curses the kingdom he fought for. Later, Orlock returned to his King's castle, but he wasn't human anymore. His powers were of darkness and single-handedly slaughtered everybody in the castle, leaving the king for last. Then, after killing the king, took his castle and renamed it "Mitternacht"(Midnight), and used his powers to spread the plague throughout all Europe.

Dracula is a Surname, also in Asia, the Surname is First.

Yes, but isn't it wonky that they'd choose to display Dracula's name in Asian arrangement, but every other name is in Western arrangement. And I mean the English release of the name, not the Japanese. Richter Belmont, Maria Renard. Even Adrian Farenheights Tepes(Tepes being the surname, which is even more evident considering it's the only one both Dracula and Alucard share, being father and son). Makes even more sense that Alucard is mocking his father's FIRST NAME(infamous name) with the name "Alucard" itself("Dracula" backwards).

[KaZudra]

Well, IGA did say the Belmonts hunted "other" vampires before the reunion with Dracula. Orlock would be interesting. I always loved that character, and wrote a short fanfic called "Mitternacht" about his origin. That in the 1300s, he was one of the most fierce warriors of king, but prior to the epidemic of the Bubonic Plague, the king got word that the town from where Orlock was from, where his wife and daughter reside, was overtaken by one of the first accounts of the plague. He chose to keep this information from Orlock, out of fear that he he went to be with his family, he'd too contract the plague and the king would loose his greatest knight. Orlock finds out out that the King, secretly, is sending a band of knights to raze the town and kill all survivors, while making it seem like it was an attack from the Turks. He sneaks out and travels to his town as the band of knights are killing the stragglers. Orlock dispatches the knights, then digs throught he mounds of corpses to find the bodies of his wife and child. He contracts the plague, but his hatred of his betrayal at the hand of his king pushes him through and he recovers the bodies, then curses the kingdom he fought for. Later, Orlock returned to his King's castle, but he wasn't human anymore. His powers were of darkness and single-handedly slaughtered everybody in the castle, leaving the king for last. Then, after killing the king, took his castle and renamed it "Mitternacht"(Midnight), and used his powers to spread the plague throughout all Europe.

wow, that makes Orlock a real badass, I like it!

[Mortificator]

IGA Based His Dracula off of Matthias Corvinus

No, he didn't. Aside from having a similar name, how is Cronqvist, the fictional Romanian knight who became a vampire in defiance of God, similar to Corvinus, the historic Hungarian king?

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

No, he didn't. Aside from having a similar name, how is Cronqvist, the fictional Romanian knight who became a vampire in defiance of God, similar to Corvinus, the historic Hungarian king?

I agree.

He may have used the name as a nod towards Matthias Corvinus but he certainly did not base his Dracula off of him.

Its obvious that IGA still drew inspiration from the Bram Stoker's version of Dracula.

Having a wife named Elisabetha who died and caused him to forsake god.

Pretty similar to Elizibeta dying and causing the Bram Stoker's Dracula to also forsake god.

[crisis]

Where's that second pic from? Its awesome.

http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=3624.0