Topic: Pachislot III?

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

That's the other thing, bastardizing the name?  What are we, five-year olds?

Poor misguided blind hatred does not suit civilized people.  **puts on monocle**

I suppose it would be nice if the Pachislot games came over to the USA... to casinos, where they belong.  I certainly would give 'em a shot on my Atlantic City trips (though I'm more of a Blackjack player).  But they're not real videogames.  You can replace the visuals and items with any visuals/items from any other series/game/activity/tvshow and the core gambling game wouldn't change at all.  So I'd rather play any videogame instead of playing Pachislot (I II or III).

[Flame]

People just cant handle the idea of someone taking artistic license with the object of their fanaticism and changing it to something that's different from what they know and love.

[darkmanx_429]

People just cant handle the idea of someone taking artistic license with the object of their fanaticism and changing it to something that's different from what they know and love.

Not true. I think many CastleVania fan's do just that. Ever read the Castlevania comics? That's just one example. But Konami always teasing the US market with failed attempts with subpar media that just has the CastleVania name stamped on it? Leads me to the question are they really listening to their core marketbase? Or did you "like" Castlevania Judgement...

[Sumac]

People just cant handle the idea of someone taking artistic license with the object of their fanaticism and changing it to something that's different from what they know and love.

Exactly!!

Since then every character named Snake has been endlessly rambling the same shit "war is hell" and "the horrors of war" for hours and Forced messages just makes someone who pays attention to the now assinine story punch a wall.

I have my gripe with MGS4 stoyrline as well, but it still was much better than your average game story. And I think it's hot Kojima's fault that he stuck with MGS franchise for so long. Konami wants money and they charging him to create more and more games in the series. I believe he couldn't do much about it except for quiting Konami, but I think paycheck is large enough to keep him from it. Not sure how I would do if I was in his place.

Pachislot is not the old formula nor does it have much of a story. It might not be an actual video game but at least it captures the essence of the Castlevania series, which Lords doesn't, period.   

Essence of Castlevania? In gambling machine? Because it has some random CGI cutscenes thrown together from material lifted form previous games? Wait, WHAT?!

Also, just because I don't like the new direction Lords is taking doesn't mean I'm conservative and I don't have an open mind like you like to shout for some reason.

I think this statement contradicts logic of the previous sentence of yours.

It seems more to me like an act of inadequacy because you don't like people think lawds is an embarrassment and betrayal to the Castlevania fanbase.

Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrre. Because another Castlevania game created from bits and pieces of SOTN, ROB and other 2D recent Castlevanias is so much better at being glorious entry in the series with new and interesting gameplay and storyline that doesn't stumble over it's previous parts. Ha-ha-ha.

So if anybody is being a whiny fanbrat here, it's you. Most people here don't like the shitty reboot. Deal with it.     

       
Please, don't perceive your fantasy as reality, "fanny", though given your previous statements it could be a bit too late for that.

LOS was much better in quality and was much more closer to my view of the series than any recent games in the series save for ReBirth and OOE. And it has much more quality and atmospere of the Castlevania - deal with it.

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You see - I'm perfectly capable of doing senseless and unfounded statemnets as you are. Have a nice day. 

Not true. I think many CastleVania fan's do just that.

Amount of fractions in the fandom with their own opinion about how Castlevania should be tend to disagree with you.

Leads me to the question are they really listening to their core marketbase?

Their core marketbase are not longtime fans of the franchise. So they tend to do what they feel is right at the moment. Not that it saves them from the mistakes like CVJ.

[Flame]

Not true. I think many CastleVania fan's do just that. Ever read the Castlevania comics? That's just one example. But Konami always teasing the US market with failed attempts with subpar media that just has the CastleVania name stamped on it? Leads me to the question are they really listening to their core marketbase? Or did you "like" Castlevania Judgement...

The comics are either drawn in a Kojima esque style, or in a more comic book style, but still following the classic timeline and adhering to it.

Theres not much difference there to bitch about.

And Lords was a Castlevania game from the start, only changing to and from the name due to executive meddling not wanting it to upstage Konami of Japan's Castlevania game, Judgement.

As for Judgement itself, while I am no fan of the artist, some of the redesigns were interesting. Trevor for example, was interesting. I liked the touch of an eyepatch. Alucard looked nothing remarkable but was Ok. Carmilla was hot. Dracula was great. Eric Lecarde was pretty low key, so he was alright. Shanoa was pretty neat take too, with the nun-like habit.

And the music was pretty good. it was the game type and some of the redesigns which sucked ass. (also Maria Renard AKA BOOOOOBS)

[thernz]

nagumo,
why do you like trevor belmont going around with a fanservice dancer in painfully bad cg scenes that undermine the integrity of castlevania's essence just as much as los

where is the essence of castlevania in this, the aesthetic the series is known for isn't even showcased properly here


if los had pachislot's aesthetic, with trevor and angela and all, i still wouldn't call it much of a castlevania pfft.

[Danial]

nagumo,
why do you like trevor belmont going around with a fanservice dancer in painfully bad cg scenes that undermine the integrity of castlevania's essence just as much as los

where is the essence of castlevania in this, the aesthetic the series is known for isn't even showcased properly here


if los had pachislot's aesthetic, with trevor and angela and all, i still wouldn't call it much of a castlevania pfft.

Defining the essence of Castlevania is nearly impossible since it's different for everyone.

Not liking the elements of a certain game doesn't mean it's not Castlevania.  Some people think a lot of what goes into making an excellent CV is good art and music, both of which the Pachi Slots have.

What about old school purists?  They haven't had a CV game since Super CV4, and even then the multi directional whip might discount it.

Each new game usually brings something new to the franchise.  Are they all accepted or are none of them truly CV anymore?

[KaZudra]

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/23/japanese-developers-arent-respected-by-their-companies-says-keiji-inafune/

this is pretty much all you need to know about the castlevania Division in Konami.

[thernz]

I guess it's more like asking Nagumo what his idea of Castlevania's essence is, considering Nagumo doesn't like LOS for that but hops on a Castlevania-themed gambling game. It's probably related to aesthetics since Pachislot's mechanics hardly share anything with older titles. If anything, LOS is closer to them. Even then, I think the presentation for Pachislot is weak and shallow, especially in regards to Angela's design. I feel it's just as insulting to shoehorn established Castlevania characters in a gambling machine and pair them up with a fanservice-minded character as it was for LOS to ditch everything and only use names for unrelated characters. I think it's pretty shallow to link Castlevania's essence to just the presentation component. They're games. Mechanics and interaction are a strong part of what makes Castlevania, like how music isn't just about lyrics.

I personally think the Pachislots have horrible art and music.

[beingthehero]

I played a Martian Successor Nadesico-themed pachislot game earlier this month.
It was pretty fun, though I suspect I had no idea as to what exactly I was doing.

[Nagumo]

Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrre. Because another Castlevania game created from bits and pieces of SOTN, ROB and other 2D recent Castlevanias is so much better at being glorious entry in the series with new and interesting gameplay and storyline that doesn't stumble over it's previous parts. Ha-ha-ha.

What the hell are you talking about? I love how you instantly make this a debate about Castlevania games made by IGA. But that's not even what this discussion is about. I'm also a fan of the pre-SotN games. And uh, I still think los fails as at being a Castlevania. 

Nice strawman, though.       

 

[Sumac]

What the hell are you talking about? I love how you instantly make this a debate about Castlevania games made by IGA. But that's not even what this discussion is about. I'm also a fan of the pre-SotN games. And uh, I still think los fails as at being a Castlevania. 

It's should be obvious why I am talking about IGAvanias here - there were for the most part repetetive and copypaste expirience, unlike most of the past games in the series. For me, games starting form HOD are low point of the series, not in the gameplay for the most part (AOS, DOS and OOE were very good in that department), but in the art and story direction.

And you didn't answer the question:
Do you really think that some gambling machine, that reuse assets, music, doesn't have proper story and gameplay, could be better representation of the Castlevania legacy than full-scale game that took some liberties with art and storyline, that apparently doesn't match your nice and fluffy idea of what Castlevania is?

[Nagumo]

It's should be obvious why I am talking about IGAvanias here - there were for the most part repetetive and copypaste expirience, unlike most of the past games in the series. For me, games starting form HOD are low point of the series, not in the gameplay for the most part (AOS, DOS and OOE were very good in that department), but in the art and story direction.

but that has nothing to do with anything 

Do you really think that some gambling machine, that reuse assets, music, doesn't have proper story and gameplay, could be better representation of the Castlevania legacy than full-scale game that took some liberties with art and storyline, that apparently doesn't match your nice and fluffy idea of what Castlevania is?

read: that doesn't match with pretty much the entire fanbase's idea of what castlevania is 

I don't care if it's a gambling machine, or if if reuses music, enemies, whatever, at least it still has the flair that made all previous games unique and interesting, and is not a generic piece of crap. 
   

[Sumac]

but that has nothing to do with anything 

You asked - I explained. Just normal dialog.

I don't care if it's a gambling machine, or if if reuses music, enemies, whatever, at least it still has the flair that made all previous games unique and interesting, and is not a generic piece of crap. 

It's basically like saying that if Konami release a toilet paper with art from SOTN you will consider it a worthy of Castlevania name, because it has an art of the series. And Alucard. In the center of a roll.

So having image of the Trevor and some music from the past games in the gambling machine makes this machine by default as good and interesting as past Castlevania games.
And I thought I already saw all possible egregious examples of faulty reasoning...

It's no wonder that with such "fans" (or should i say "fanboys" who couldn't accept anything beyond they "dream!Castlevania") the series curently in a quite shaky state.

[crisis]

us "fans" don't deserve Lords of Shadow or Pachislots.


We deserve better.