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I've read in a guidebook about vampires that "Dracul" is an old Romanian word for devil,  and that it later got a different meaning. While we know that the intented meaning of Dracula is "son of the dragon", the alternative "son of the devil" is also correct technically.   

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 Two major differences between Mathias and Gabriel. Mathias becomes a vampire with little to no knowledge of his potential(other than being a powerful vampire and existing as an immortal to mock God's decree of mortality), nor the truth behind the darkness and Chaos fully realized(until MUCH much later). Gabriel's becomes aware of Satan(in LoS) and his own powers by the end of the DLC. He is already pretty drenched in what dark potential he has within his body, and knows fully well he handed Satan his own ass. Totally different characters. One is basically a greenhorn vamp, the other knows that he defeated the most infamous figure of evil in all of Christianity. They are both pretty stark contrasts in themselves.


This is what I love about our new rebooted Dracula, he's much more of a badass than the old canon's. In LoI, Mathias was just a conniving little bitch with a grudge against God that has someone else do all the work, get the soul of a powerful vampire, and leaves the scene. LoS shows that while the new Dracula still has a grudge, he was also a powerful warrior who defeated 2 Lords of Shadow, the most powerful demon ever, PLUS the first fallen angel. Definitely far more terrible than the old Drac.
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If you come to think, how many bad things did we watched (not told) old-Dracula Commit?
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An inusual clean dossier for the Prince of Darkness...

Everything comes full circle

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If you come to think, how many bad things did we watched (not told) old-Dracula Commit?
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An inusual clean dossier for the Prince of Darkness...
It's reflected by what happens in the original canon. Most of the times, Dracula sends his monsters out to cause havok amongst Transylvania/Wallachia, kill villagers and such. He's hands off, though still in control and the ruin and darkness that keeps these people(villagers) under seige is the direct result of him. Gabriel, we have yet to see him post DLC story(not counting the ending movie in the game). We don't know how he strikes his terror into the countryside(if he EVEN does that this time around. This new take, Dracula could be more of an anti-hero, not pure-villain, which would fit for a reboot).

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This is what I love about our new rebooted Dracula, he's much more of a badass than the old canon's.

he hasn't even done anything yet

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It's reflected by what happens in the original canon. Most of the times, Dracula sends his monsters out to cause havok amongst Transylvania/Wallachia, kill villagers and such. He's hands off, though still in control and the ruin and darkness that keeps these people(villagers) under seige is the direct result of him. Gabriel, we have yet to see him post DLC story(not counting the ending movie in the game). We don't know how he strikes his terror into the countryside(if he EVEN does that this time around. This new take, Dracula could be more of an anti-hero, not pure-villain, which would fit for a reboot).
So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.

Everything comes full circle

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he hasn't even done anything yet
Yeah he has. He has angrily stated his name, appeared withered while dressed in a skirt-like thing and tried to suck a dude in a church.


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Yeah he has. He has angrily stated his name, appeared withered while dressed in a skirt-like thing and tried to suck a dude in a church.
That sounded incredibly hillarious.

Well, Zobek calls him the prince of darkness in the epilogue, and he crushed his Combat Cross and shit, he lost his humanity upon becoming a vampire, slowly becoming more evil. Then he mercilessly slaughtered Forgotten One and absorbed it's power.

Id say he will be a villain for part of the timeline, and then once we reach the epilogue, that might change. and he might become a more tragic figure again.
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he hasn't even done anything yet

As the rest of my original post pointed out, even though he was known as "Gabriel" while he did it, he still defeated Lords of Shadow (effectively killing 2 of the founders of his own order in the process), The Forgotten One, & Satan. He absorbed the power of The Lords and The Forgotten One by defeating them himself. All this is opposed to Mathias who obtained his power after Leon did the work and defeated Walter.
Hence why already, Gabriel / Dracula is already more of a badass because he obtained his own power by defeating the most powerful opponents on earth and in the Underworld.
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So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.

So Hitler was a countryside troll? They did effectively the same things. You know, that's how you run an army campaign and all.

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Hence why already, Gabriel / Dracula is already more of a badass because he obtained his own power by defeating the most powerful opponents on earth and in the Underworld.

Likewise, Mathias owned one of the most powerful demons of the underworld (Galamoth), and has effectively took dominion over many ancient God-like demons (Pazuzu for instance) that came centuries before him. Even Death itself realizes that Mathias/Dracula is top dog.

Thus, the canon Dracula has a way better track record when it comes to demons. He literally controls Chaos.

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So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.
Well, idk about that, considering how widespread it was in Bloodlines, plus the implications in CVIII that he was basically all over Europe. Has nothing on Mongol God King Genghis Khan though.

I mean Lords Dracula has barely done anything, but he hasn't really been shown adequately yet. So whatever.
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So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.

If being the anti-christ is trolling, I guess so. I mean, that's what we know about him, and the entire point of the Belmont family is to make sure his influence stays contained within Wallachia. Questions such as "How many territory did he conquer?" seem kind of inrelevant in light of that.       

Not that I really care about which Dracula is more "badass". Saying LoS Dracula is tougher than old Dracula because he defeated X is dumb anyway, because you would just be arguing over imagined power levels.   
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I much preferred Mathias' way of pitting his friends, enemies and all the rest against each other with mere words and suggestion to achieve his goal, triumphantly riding into the sunset whilst smugly cackling like the chessmaster he is at the end of his machinations. Gabriel keeps getting played by everyone involved in his tale, and then resolves things by literally punching Satan in the face. What a stunning character arc.

Different strokes and all that.

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I think it's only in DC that it's mentioned that he was was "turning countries from good to bad". That can be interpreted as having actually sent his armies to to those countries, controlling their leaders or having his magic twist the people's minds. That sort of makes sense since he had not been killed before.

I think Drac's character evolution has been:

1) starting as a typical bad guy who just does it for the evulz
2) a man of revenge
3) a dark messiah type people resurrect for their own goals
4) an evil spirit, kind of like a force of nature

To shoehorn a fanon explonation: maybe the constant dying and resurrecting has gradually robbed him of all of his personality and he doesn't even remember Lisa or Alucard anymore.
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