Topic: The grass may not be greener on the other side...

[thernz]

I think you put too much dark colours.
While NITM is technically inferrior to the SOTN, when it comes to graphics it is not that bad / awful / ugly / whatever. It's not like they cut down on colours or reduced areas or something really disastrous. It is worse, but not that much. Besides gameplay is the same, so it is definitely not an abomination as you try to present it.
On the bright side: it didn't have awful english voices, so it is one, albeit, minor thing where NITM shines.
And you can prove it?

Nah, instead of messing up colors, the port skews the graphics and makes everything look fat instead. I find that worse than reduced colors, especially because the new sprites like Richter were stretched then edited on a single pixel ratio to make his new outfit. Plus, most of the newer enemy sprites and Maria are awfully done in comparison to the original SoTN sprites. It's pretty ugly.

Didn't the SS port have loading between areas too? idk it just doesn't seem worth it to play the SS port when it shoddily does things in the technical field, then adds very little interesting gameplay-wise like the Godspeed Boots which I don't care much for anyway or Maria who is more of an over-powered curiosity than a feature that really intrigues me personally.

I don't think anyone has a clear idea of what the original developers wanted for the place under the entrance. The port team was completely different. The garden just doesn't match the work of the original team.

[Flame]

PSX SOTN Underground Garden Glitch

[Lumi Kløvstad]

Oh God. My ears.

[Vampire Killer]

I orginally voted yes for this, and while I would probably buy it (as long as it wasn't locked to having to be online to play it like SotN on XBLA), I would rather see an updated SotN.....

Done by  --->WAYFORWARD<---


Reasons?  Well, I've played the original SotN so many times already that it's overplayed to an extreme (Still love playing through it once and a while though). Hell, they could do it in a particular order even.

Whenever I play through SotN as Richter, I always imagine myself playing as Richter first entering the castle, with shaft hypnotizing him at the end. I figure that the first playthough could be as Richter, with the second being Alucard or Maria (player's choice). Remake the entire Castle, add some stuff and revamp the original to play more according to bloodrayne's rules, just no stage by stage score of course.  For Richter, WF could copy many of the moves from LoS, just do them in 2D. They could even, after you've completed the game, add time/point trials where-in you would be timed on how fast, and how well, you can get from the beginning of one area of the castle, to another.

Even better, make a new room containing some sort of device which controls the trials themselves. Perhaps a steam-punky/magic chair which you sit in, which allows you to do the trials in your mind. That way it would seem like a training exercise done by Alucard on purpose, and not just a videogame thing.

Anyhoo, I know some of you may think this is nuts, but I would rather something new and updated, than just the original that I've played countless times by now.

Now the only question is would we want to see something like this in BloodRayne's graphics, or old school pixels?  Hard to decide.

[crisis]

For Richter, WF could copy many of the moves from LoS, just do them in 2D.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Corpsecrank]

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I'm guessing you didn't like it? Of course... emulators tend to inferior-ate anything on them, so I don't think I'll be emulating anything.

Only if you aren't capable enough to set the emulator up properly. I have no problem and I tend to think an emulator often times does a BETTER job than the console could. Especially when you can take advantage of better rendering methods among many many other things.

The game was bad that is a fact it was inferior to sotn end of story. The playstation had far better capabilities than the saturn and the port to the saturn was a half-assed quicky job at best anyhow. Both of those things are solid fact not opinion. If you doubt that go do the homework and see for yourself.

And you can prove it?

Sure look at the glitch in sotn where you immediatly backtrack and fall through the floor to an area that would have lead to the garden had they left that garbage out of sotn and closed off the floor. Proof enough for me. The area is awful in comparison to the rest of the game even compared against the rest of the graphics in nocturne it is a miss-match.

But really what we are dealing with is people who are to busy kissing this games ass to admit that is actually a pile of crap. The people who ported the game were not skilled enough to do so and because of that it has a lot of technical issues going on compounded by inferior hardware.

I mean don't you think if the game was actually good I would be praising it and in favor of getting a copy in this region? Sotn is my favorite game in the series so don't you think if this was even half decent I might want a copy of it? But you see the thing is I played it and it sucked and there is no way I would touch it again. I waited like 10 years to play that game that is how bad I wanted to check it out and it sucked. But I play sotn every couple of months to this day heh imagine that... Hell I can complete that game 100% in a single sitting with all items now that is how much I love and play it. But nocturne is a disgrace end of story.

[Sumac]

Sure look at the glitch in sotn where you immediatly backtrack and fall through the floor to an area that would have lead to the garden had they left that garbage out of sotn and closed off the floor.

I meant you can prove that they didn't put this area in SOTN because it sucked?
Not because they didn't had time or there were some technical problems?

The playstation had far better capabilities than the saturn and the port to the saturn was a half-assed quicky job at best anyhow. Both of those things are solid fact not opinion. If you doubt that go do the homework and see for yourself.

Please, do make a homework yourself.
Saturn was the most powerfull console in the fifth generation by default.
However this power wasn't used properly, thanks to two proccesors. Most of the developers simply couldn't utilize they power and in the end many games ended worse than they actually could be. And 2D games weren't strong point of the Saturn.
So, at least one of your solid facts is...nothing. 

[Lumi Kløvstad]

The game was bad that is a fact it was inferior to sotn end of story. The playstation had far better capabilities than the saturn and the port to the saturn was a half-assed quicky job at best anyhow. Both of those things are solid fact not opinion. If you doubt that go do the homework and see for yourself.

I never disagreed. Nowhere in this thread did I ever disagree with that sentiment. I just want a chance to play it for myself in a language I can, you know, READ. That way I can make my own judgments. Much of the fanbase experienced a similar desire when Konami stubbornly refused to bring Rondo of Blood over until 2007.

"I can't have it. Just makes me want it MORE!"

Surely you understand that line of thought.

[Corpsecrank]

I never disagreed. Nowhere in this thread did I ever disagree with that sentiment. I just want a chance to play it for myself in a language I can, you know, READ. That way I can make my own judgments. Much of the fanbase experienced a similar desire when Konami stubbornly refused to bring Rondo of Blood over until 2007.

"I can't have it. Just makes me want it MORE!"

Surely you understand that line of thought.

I do I know exactly how you feel because I was there. Until I played it myself. Now I am here with the opinion I formed based on my experience with the game. I was only trying to state that from the start though and how I came to feel the way I do.

If you want to play it I still suggest an emulator the language doesn't matter nearly as much as you would imagine. The story is the same either way. If you played sotn you know the story. Play the rom and find out why some of us have been so let down by what we found out about the game.

I meant you can prove that they didn't put this area in SOTN because it sucked?
Not because they didn't had time or there were some technical problems?
Please, do make a homework yourself.
Saturn was the most powerfull console in the fifth generation by default.
However this power wasn't used properly, thanks to two proccesors. Most of the developers simply couldn't utilize they power and in the end many games ended worse than they actually could be. And 2D games weren't strong point of the Saturn.
So, at least one of your solid facts is...nothing. 

Most powerful 5th gen? The specs must be a lie then eh?

Playstation : 500,000 texture-mapped and light-sourced polygons/sec
* Clearing capacity: 66 MIPS
* 1.5 million flat-shaded polygons/sec

Saturn:
- 50,000 texture-mapped polygons/sec
- 40 MIPS

I mean for the most poweful it sure looks feeble next to the station... I mean it does have 26MIPS on it and 10 times the mapped AND lighted polygons per sec.

The saturn didn't even have transparency capabilities it has to use dithering LOL

I owned both and I had the saturn first and longest. The only thing I can say about the saturn is it was built solid and didn't break and the playstation took 3 redesigns before it was acceptable quality. Other than that the playstation simply out performed and out shined the saturn by leaps and bounds. It also sold 10x the number of units worldwide as a result. Just additional info for you saturn fanboys out there.

The specs and other facts are right there look them up yourself instead of being a lazy fanboy that refuses to admit the system wasn't the best of the generation. If you really want to get technical the n64 was ahead of both. I did prefer the psx of the 3 but the games were the biggest reason. Cartridges have almost no load time and are far more durable than discs which is a huge advantage for the 64 for me but the games weren't cutting it. I had like 1/8 as many 64 games I liked as I did for the psx. I only had like 8 good games to play on the saturn because there weren't as many and most of the good games on saturn were a lot better on the psx so I bought them for the better hardware hmm imagine that...

[Corpsecrank]

Er wrong button...

[Belmontoya]

I own the Nocturne in the Moonlight Saturn import. It's just SOTN  with a few small differences and Maria.. You're not missing out on anything. I only own it because I'm a collector and I own all of the games in their original format. Rondo of Blood on the Turbo Duo is where it's at for imports.

[knightmere]

I already own the Japanese original, but I would ONLY buy it again if they translated it and eliminated the slowdown issues.

[Sumac]

The specs and other facts are right there look them up yourself instead of being a lazy fanboy that refuses to admit the system wasn't the best of the generation.

I am not Sega fan / fanboy whatever. My "favorite" company is actually Nintendo, though I don't care about "console wars" stuff.

[Flame]

Im pretty sure the general consensus has always been that the Saturn was ahead of it's time and ultimately failed because of it.