Topic: Here's a thought for a new kind of remake

[darkwzrd4]

We all know that there are essentially three kinds of CV games: classicvania, metroidvania, and 3D castlevania.  The 3D variety haven't done well it seems.  It seems the most enjoyed 3D games were CV64/LoD despite that graphics.  They have everything that make classicvania great, but in a 3D environment.  Now then, think of how amazing those games would look if they were given the graphics of now and given combos like in LoI (except not worthless).  those games would be a lot better and more fun.

With all of that said, let's take those ideas and apply them to older games.  For example, let's look at SCV4.  Imagine that in a 3D environment (not side scrolling).  It would be epic.  Let's look at some of the unique parts of the game.  Think of the rotating room of block 4-2 where u hang on to the whip ring while the room turns.  Imagine how that would look in 3D.  Let's also look at block 6-1 when u are jumping from chandelier to chandelier.  It would add a nice challenge and would look awesome.  Now on to block 9-1 and 9-2 (the treasury).  Just the fact that you are going though Drac's treasury was already cool in 16-bit side-scrolling makes me think of the possibilities of doing it in a 3D environment.  Last, but not least, let's look at block A-1 (the clock tower).  There is one part where you are hanging from a whip ring that is carrying you over a large gap and there is an enemy waiting for you on the other side.  That point is an interesting area and would be a great place for a QTE.  Keep in mind that have some QTEs in a game isn't a bad idea (LoS overdid it/too many).

What do you all think?  How awesome would it be if this was actually done?

[Maedhros]

It seems the most enjoyed 3D games were CV64/LoD despite that graphics.

That's certainly not true, at all. Don't think that oppinions here are the reflection of the entire fanbase.

[uzo]

It seems the most enjoyed 3D games were CV64/LoD despite that graphics.

That is complete bull. The very few people here who like the game are simply very vocal about it. This is what we call a vocal minority. The game is almost universally hated and trashed upon everywhere.

Fact of the matter is, Lords of Shadow is the definitive Castlevania game in 3D. Even if you don't consider it a Castlevania game, it still trounced all the others before it in just about every aspect.

Honestly, Lords is attempting to do what you have described, just not to the same degree. It was an attempt at SCVIV in 3D. Even though it came up short to that description (by far most argue), you can see that they were going for that.

[Flame]

All I ever hear is hate for the N64 games.

They are definitely a staple of the era in 3D gaming in terms of atmosphere and platforming, but people don't really like them as 3D vanias.

Also, im pretty sure CV1 has had more than enough remakes. It has like what, 6 different versions of the same game?

I'd much rather a CV3 remake myself. And Fuck the CV 3 Pachislot.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

"Vocal Minority"... hey, that's all of us!

[Inccubus]

Fact of the matter is, Lords of Shadow is the definitive Castlevania game in 3D. Even if you don't consider it a Castlevania game, it still trounced all the others before it in just about every aspect.

That is far from being a fact. That is unless you consider largely derivative game play that has little to nothing to do with the rest of the franchise definitive. Not to mention that no opinion about the merits of a game compared and contrasted with any other game is anything other than purely subjective and by definition can never be a fact.

[Flame]

I saw a Belmont with a whip, performing combos that were not useless, and had pretty good range and versatility on the whip.

CV64's whip was clunky and stiff, and LoI had rather useless combo moves which you never really got to use more than 1 of.

I'll grant LoI that it has the best subweapon system though. The way you can combine them with the orbs was great.

but LoS pretty much gave you all your subweapons at once, each with their own ammunition. Also, it made the dagger useful again.

[Neobelmont]

That is complete bull. The very few people here who like the game are simply very vocal about it. This is what we call a vocal minority. The game is almost universally hated and trashed upon everywhere.

Gulity as charged I even made a topic about legacy being remade for the 3ds or at least have a new game that you know has platforming or is at least similar to cv64/lod. Action makes up castlevania, but take the term "action" and what do you get one could say pure battle action like lament or lords or to me a mix of platforming and action just mix theses two together and I feel that "action" will be achieved. 3dvanias are missing crucial elements of that "action" that prevent the nirvana we get from playing the other kind of vanias. Each 3d game lacks something a crucial element.

[shelverton.]

Honestly, Lords is attempting to do what you have described, just not to the same degree. It was an attempt at SCVIV in 3D. Even though it came up short to that description (by far most argue), you can see that they were going for that.

As much as LoS was meh to me, I agree with this. My problem with LoS was not "OMG IT'S NOT CASTLEVANIA!!!" - I definitely think it's a Castlevania game - but rather the fact that I don't enjoy these kind of games. To me LoS was definitely an attempt at CV4 in 3D and I don't know if it could've been done any other way. If anything, LoS is the definite proof that I really don't want a 3D Castlevania at all cause I'm afraid it's the best anyone can do. It's 3D Castlevania "done right", which just still isn't good enough. Dunno if I make sense.

[Flame]

Gulity as charged I even made a topic about legacy being remade for the 3ds or at least have a new game that you know has platforming or is at least similar to cv64/lod. Action makes up castlevania, but take the term "action" and what do you get one could say pure battle action like lament or lords or to me a mix of platforming and action just mix theses two together and I feel that "action" will be achieved. 3dvanias are missing crucial elements of that "action" that prevent the nirvana we get from playing the other kind of vanias. Each 3d game lacks something a crucial element.

Well I like that point of view. Certainly none of them are perfect, though i still think LoS has come closest. Just needs to be fine tuned some more. less QTE's and shimmying, and it would be Golden. And while not likely due to filespace limits and all, ditching the dual discs for the 360 would be nice... It really breaks immersion...

[Neobelmont]

Well I like that point of view. Certainly none of them are perfect, though i still think LoS has come closest. Just needs to be fine tuned some more. less QTE's and shimmying, and it would be Golden. And while not likely due to filespace limits and all, ditching the dual discs for the 360 would be nice... It really breaks immersion...

True, yet what about the rumored new engine that was said to kill the old engine of los if that is true it is not much of a stretch to say that even more disks could be used for the next game?

Also on a completly different note I was watching a tralier for kid icarus uprising and I will say nintendo has done it again they made it new but feel very familiar with sticking to their roots just like mario 3dland. Down to the references and such which comes to my second point remembering your roots. Yes there are nods and such in each of the 3dgames in their own way but none really made made an impact like how uprising and 3dland did at least to me.

just skip to around 2:00 and see what I mean

Nintendo 3DS - Kid Icarus: Uprising Medusa Trailer

 A new cv tralier with this kind of attention to the new and old is what I think a remake for a cv should be like I mean how cool and funny would it be to see a new Belmont just wrecking a wall and eating pot roast of off that plate or breaking a candlelight and getting a heart? Tug the strings of old fans and with solid gameplay pull in new fans.

[KaZudra]

Honestly, the ideal 3D castlevania should just do away with heavy story driving elements, and adapt a mix of Dark/Demon's Souls (actual stage hazards, tactical enemies) with an Ys Oath/Ark/Origin system (attack combos and Jump ONLY platforming) in a full 3D environment.
LoS feels to me alot like of a medieval Uncharted game with a weaker story with all that "platforming" aka guided Climbing.