Topic: Games are dieing as i knew them, CV games, as well as others.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Moving this to "Hardcore Gaming 101" since it's more appropriate there given the stuff.
And then I will read the rest of the thread. xD
Nice rap.  I've planed a good 75% of all of the games featured in the video.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Ok.
I moved this over to Hardcore Gaming 101 because, although it's a rant that touches upon the Castlevania series, it then goes and talks about all gaming in general.  So yeah.

Don't lose hope for all current gamers.
I am happy to have infused an appreciation for all gaming into my nephews (23 and 13, respectively), where I can get sentences like this out of them:

"I've been playing CoD: Black Ops II for a long time!  I need a break, let me play some "Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together"." xD (13-yr old)
"Oh you got the Wii-U?!  So wait, it's got games like Assassin's Creed so you can see the map all the time... but also has games like how I used to help you out with Tingle Bombs in the Gamecube Wind Waker?  Something like that?" (23-yr old)

As for the developers... well, at least XBLA, PSN, and NintendoNetwork accomodate indie games, so you can get your Mighty Switch Force and Little Inferno and Mutant Mudds classic action, which has a more 'labor of love' feel to them.

[PFG9000]

I'm surprised at how much support Lords of Shadow has received here.  That's not a bad thing, I guess, but it seemed like more folks here didn't care for LoS before.  I think it's a great game myself, but a shitty Castlevania.  It's exactly what Mikepjr said, it's only a CV because it says it is.  I would've been okay with a storyline reboot with only minor changes to the gameplay, as long as the storyline stayed true to CV.  But everything is different about LoS.  Just because a few levels in the middle of the game have somewhat of a CV vibe, that doesn't make the game CV.

This isn't going to go anywhere though.  This has already been discussed to death here.  I doubt there's much to be said about it that hasn't already been mentioned 16,000 times.

[Claimh Solais]

Well put. It's good to hear someone actually make an honest opinion about those two awful games. I'm not suggesting that you personally dislike them but I do appreciate your spot on choice of wording to describe them.

I only wish most of the hatred for LoS would be channeled onto AoS/DoS which are real festering sores of the franchise and the time period when Castlevania took an undefined slope to hell. I really can't see how those games are so untouchable to most of the fanbase and receive such unreal praise.

I enjoyed the entirety of AoS. I only enjoyed the gameplay to DoS (its story was both crap and unnecessary).

[Neobelmont]

Well put. It's good to hear someone actually make an honest opinion about those two awful games. I'm not suggesting that you personally dislike them but I do appreciate your spot on choice of wording to describe them.

I only wish most of the hatred for LoS would be channeled onto AoS/DoS which are real festering sores of the franchise and the time period when Castlevania took an undefined slope to hell. I really can't see how those games are so untouchable to most of the fanbase and receive such unreal praise.

While I am not as big of fan of MV(my favs are cotm and por) as much as Classics or even 3d (Legacy of darkness rocked)  It get's unreal praise because of how much things there are gameplay wise the absurd amount of weapons and soul farming    , not to mention both games are some of the best looking games on their respective system, Also
Aos has one of the most awesome first (level) themes(?)

Castlevania Aria of Sorrow OST - Castle Corridor

But that's just opinion 

Also compared to the last game when Aos came out Hod it was just so much better. How the freak is that the only mv to star a belmont as a main character, yet is the worst one out of all of them 

[Successor The Cruel]

^ Being a huge Aria of Sorrow fan, I don't really love it mainly because of the huge amounts of weapons and farming. I love it because it is a really smartly designed game with fun, imaginative environments, lots of colorful and interesting enemies, superb audio (the sound effects rock), excellent, timeless graphics, captivating characters and an interesting story, fun boss battles, and yes, even for the gimmicky farming. There are a lot of fun abilities to be had in the game. But I would wager that many others who love it like I do don't do it for simple minded reasons like "TIS GAEM HAS TEH MOST WEPINZ!!!" At least, I'd certainly hope that isn't the case. 

I'm surprised at how much support Lords of Shadow has received here.

The people who don't like it are probably gone (at least for the time being), due to current disinterest in the series and/or they're tired of repeating themselves. I would usually be one of them, but I just happened to be around and felt like adding my same old two cents worth... just because : p

Actually, I've been thinking of checking out indie-games more, too, because I've been really unimpressed with the way most modern games have gone, at least of the series that I've been following. Despite how often it happens, it's still really weird to me that you can give people millions and millions of dollars and they still manage to put out generally poor products. But, as mentioned, I guess a lot of that can be attributed to the complex politics that goes along with those millions of dollars 1000 man projects.

[Neobelmont]

^ Being a huge Aria of Sorrow fan, I don't really love it mainly because of the huge amounts of weapons and farming. I love it because it is a really smartly designed game with fun, imaginative environments, lots of colorful and interesting enemies, superb audio (the sound effects rock), excellent, timeless graphics, captivating characters and an interesting story, fun boss battles, and yes, even for the gimmicky farming. There are a lot of fun abilities to be had in the game. But I would wager that many others who love it like I do don't do it for simple minded reasons like "TIS GAEM HAS TEH MOST WEPINZ!!!" At least, I'd certainly hope that isn't the case. 

True it is a little cart with a big bang especially in the sound department the cv double pack showed me that the difference is like night and day. Aos is just a good game sure it does not star a belmont as a main character, but at least it has one as one of the most memorable fights in all of cv, and it's even better when played on the gcn gameboy player, but I still think the soul system and weapons gameplay is a big factor.

[Bloodreign]

I haven't touched LoS, and I likely never will (or anything from this generation, I have a few titles, but they lay dormant and unplayed as dust collectors for my collection), you think you have it bad. Try being a Gradius fan and have Konami basically use the Gradius formula and turn it into a loli fest, the Vic Viper is no longer piloted from within, but on top by some loli female. Not to mention they canned Gradius VI for this Otomedius crap.

Sad part is, some Gradius fans are desperate for a new title, so they bought in to this shit.

That's ok though, I have nearly 1,000 classic games to tide me over with till the day I keel over, or the games do (give or take 20 or so PS2 and PS3 games I will no longer play as I either beat them, or got tired of them).

Modern gaming definitely isn't for me. Viva la oldschool forever.

[DragonSlayr81]

I haven't touched LoS, and I likely never will (or anything from this generation, I have a few titles, but they lay dormant and unplayed as dust collectors for my collection), you think you have it bad. Try being a Gradius fan and have Konami basically use the Gradius formula and turn it into a loli fest, the Vic Viper is no longer piloted from within, but on top by some loli female. Not to mention they canned Gradius VI for this Otomedius crap.

Sad part is, some Gradius fans are desperate for a new title, so they bought in to this shit.

That's ok though, I have nearly 1,000 classic games to tide me over with till the day I keel over, or the games do (give or take 20 or so PS2 and PS3 games I will no longer play as I either beat them, or got tired of them).

Modern gaming definitely isn't for me. Viva la oldschool forever.

LOL, I'm still content with some of the indie downloadable stuff being produced. IMO, it's almost wherer I think gaming, as an industry, SHOULD be headed(only because it does have that more "old school" sensability). I don't mind that it's still indie right now, because the sooner it goes mainstream, the sooner it starts to get tainted by mainstream logic and starts to meld into the popular collective that is the "acceptable" status quo standard. Let everybody else play their mainstream FPS and QTE heavy action adventures. I'm happily content with Double Dragon Neon, Costume Quest, Journey, Castle Crashers among the other indie/downloadable game catalogs out there. It's more my style and scene.

Mainstream gaming, I'm pretty much bowing out(like I said, I have no interest in the NEXT gen(PS4 and such), though I am keeping my eye on Wii U. Though, with Wii U, whether I buy it will depend on whether they eventually release a DECENT model that comes already updated and with lots of GB to boot(and a good size library of diverse games wouldn't hurt either). Really, if Nintendo's newest console lives up to what they are pitching, I just might have to rally in their corner. I don't know if I said this before, but aiming for the most realistic quality of graphics have never been a priority to me, as a gamer. Especially if it means, the more your hands are going to be tied(both as developers and gamers). And a part of me does believe there IS an actual way to get around it, but I think there's too much money in technology and engine licensing that keeps it from happening.

[Inccubus]

The people who don't like it are probably gone (at least for the time being), due to current disinterest in the series and/or they're tired of repeating themselves. I would usually be one of them, but I just happened to be around and felt like adding my same old two cents worth... just because : p

I don't much like LoS, but I'm not gonna repeat why here. I've said my peace on it and much of it has already been expressed. I think it speak more that people still feel the need to defend it. As for what's coming for CV I'm not much looking forward to what I've seen so far. As for gaming at large, I've abandonned the mainstream-potato-chip games long ago.

[Abnormal Freak]

I'm interested in the Wii U 'cos it's muthaflippin' Nintendo, yo. I know it's cool among many to rip on the Big N and play cool games like the millionth Call of Duty and other uninspired and utterly bland-looking video games void of creative fantasy, but I'm really rootin' for the Wii U and hoping it does what the Wii honestly failed to do in a lot of ways: offer games for hardcore gamers.

I'm not saying it was ENTIRELY a wishy-washy casual gamer system, but for the most part that's all Nintendo cared to market it as. You have some amazing hardcore games like the Super Mario Galaxy and No More Heroes series, but other than those and a few other notable exceptions (and great Virtual Console titles, of course), the Wii is just a party system.

With the Wii U, I hope Nintendo live up to their promise of offering a system for both casual gaming and hardcore gaming. I want all the next great SUDA51 games on the system, not just some because Shadows of the Damned was an HD game and the Wii only did 480p; I don't want downgrades (Rayman Origins) when it comes to cross-platform games, but everything that current gaming has to offer. Nintendo's done a lot of things right, but the Wii fell flat in a number of ways.

Hopefully now I can play all the great Nintendo titles I love but also get some great third-party support in addition to the download services for old games and new. And when you look to the indie and small-time developers, current gaming is certainly not far from the glorious 8- and 16-bit days; several download-only titles capture that greatness, like Mutant Mudds and so on. Nintendo also has a flair for offering old school but new-feeling games like Super Mario 3D Land: it's updated for current play controls and technology, but has that fun feel of old SNES/N64 greats. Nintendo's always been good at keeping that spirit alive while everyone else is all too concerned with making games "realistic" and gritty, and all too often the gameplay suffers from the "grown up" presentation because you can't do something as fun and simple as jumping on a guy to defeat him.

But it'll be a long while before I get a U, probably a couple years. I waited till Galaxy came out to get a Wii, and while there are games out on the U that I'd really like to play, I'll wait for that "ZOUNDS MUST HAVE!!!!" title and hopefully a cheaper and higher-capacity model before I buy.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

@Abnormal Freak:

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2's best version is now the Wii-U's.
1. It runs at native 1080p (as opposed to 720p on the X360 & PS3).
2. It caters to both the regular players with a Pro Controller setup, as well as new style gamers with the tablet controller functionality.
3. You can play it while in bed without the TV even being on.  Or in the crapper.

I'm also quite pleased that the Wii-U got ZombiU (an AWESOME 'True Survival Horror Game', not a Zombie blast-fest), a mature title, to further add range to the Wii-U product (which by default has a stigma of candy colors and 'kiddie' games, though these games are usually my fave games).  It also got a better version of Assassin's Creed III since now I don't have to hit SELECT all the time to access the in-game map.

Speaking of range, it's kinda hilarioius that NintendoLand has a type of game for everyone.  The Game&Watch game might as well be a type of "Just Dance", while the Donkey Kong pull-your-hair-out Crash Course title is a tilting scheme obstacle course.  The Metroid minigame is awesome if you're a run-and-gun or if you're a free-open-world blasting maniac.  Mario Chase and Luigi's Ghost Mansion mimic my days of "Pac Man Vs." on the Gamecube, only without needing new equipment.  And there are more.

Also, the music.  OH GOD, the Music!
Nintendo Land OST - Metroid Blast - Ridley Battle

Are you enjoying Super Mario 3D Land?  It's quite great, no?

[Abnormal Freak]

It's good to know that the U is getting definitive versions of games even ones I don't care to play. I hope it means great success for the system. The U's version of Arkham City is supposed to be pretty boss.

3D Land is immensely fun. It's the kind of enjoyment I got out of the first Mario Galaxy, which I don't experience from games too often anymore.

[DragonSlayr81]

I'm interested in the Wii U 'cos it's muthaflippin' Nintendo, yo. I know it's cool among many to rip on the Big N and play cool games like the millionth Call of Duty and other uninspired and utterly bland-looking video games void of creative fantasy, but I'm really rootin' for the Wii U and hoping it does what the Wii honestly failed to do in a lot of ways: offer games for hardcore gamers.

I'm not saying it was ENTIRELY a wishy-washy casual gamer system, but for the most part that's all Nintendo cared to market it as. You have some amazing hardcore games like the Super Mario Galaxy and No More Heroes series, but other than those and a few other notable exceptions (and great Virtual Console titles, of course), the Wii is just a party system.

With the Wii U, I hope Nintendo live up to their promise of offering a system for both casual gaming and hardcore gaming. I want all the next great SUDA51 games on the system, not just some because Shadows of the Damned was an HD game and the Wii only did 480p; I don't want downgrades (Rayman Origins) when it comes to cross-platform games, but everything that current gaming has to offer. Nintendo's done a lot of things right, but the Wii fell flat in a number of ways.

Hopefully now I can play all the great Nintendo titles I love but also get some great third-party support in addition to the download services for old games and new. And when you look to the indie and small-time developers, current gaming is certainly not far from the glorious 8- and 16-bit days; several download-only titles capture that greatness, like Mutant Mudds and so on. Nintendo also has a flair for offering old school but new-feeling games like Super Mario 3D Land: it's updated for current play controls and technology, but has that fun feel of old SNES/N64 greats. Nintendo's always been good at keeping that spirit alive while everyone else is all too concerned with making games "realistic" and gritty, and all too often the gameplay suffers from the "grown up" presentation because you can't do something as fun and simple as jumping on a guy to defeat him.

But it'll be a long while before I get a U, probably a couple years. I waited till Galaxy came out to get a Wii, and while there are games out on the U that I'd really like to play, I'll wait for that "ZOUNDS MUST HAVE!!!!" title and hopefully a cheaper and higher-capacity model before I buy.

I can honestly say, out of the current gen of consoles(PS3, X360, Wii), I probably own the most games on the Wii, and the most games I own for PS3/X360 are downloaded titles(mainly the indie stuff). That, alone, should tell you why, with the next gen, my support for Sony/Microsoft is waning and my reluctance to get a PS4/X720 is on high. Hell, like I said, I'm cautiously look towards Wii U, only because, right now, I usually skip the whole launch gen(I always wait until there's a good selection of games, mainly).

Though yeah, I never understood people ragging on Nintendo. I've always been a fan of Nintendo, even the years I really didn't invest in some of their consoles(N64 and GCUBE). It's kinda pathetic, actually, how people rag on Nintendo for being kiddie or not trying to inch away from their comfort zone with Mario games, LoZ games and such. First, the whole kiddie thing, whenever I hear people using this, I almost always envision an adult acting like a big kid and picking on elementary school kids. "Nah nah, you like KIDDIE GAMES! You little babies probably wear DIAPERS!! Me, I love Call of Duty, Halo, GTA, because I'm a BIG PERSON! I'm MATURE!!! But you? Wah wah, little poopy babies with Mario and Link!". IMO, true maturity is not being afraid what anybody else thinks. A true, mature adult, is comfortable liking whatever they do, even if it's something cute and coloful, like Mario! I'm also not afraid to admit, I almost cried several times when I watched Wreck-It Ralph.  I'm a MAN!!!

I do admire Nintendo's belief regarding the direction gaming should head. It's not about the graphics, it's about the gaming experience. They've openly said they have no interest partaking in the graphics race with Sony and Microsoft, but are focusing on other aspects of gaming(what they believe are more essential than making the most realistic looking game as possible). I actually don't mind that one bit. I think I've said this, but I actually don't want games that look SUPER realistic. Sometimes, it's just plain creepy(really "uncanny valley" stuff). Besides, I watch movies for that, and they, more conveniently, have REALLY great looking realistic characters(because, well, they are REAL people) and no freakin QTEs!!!! Yeahoo! Besides, like I've said, the race to make more realistic looking characters/environments comes with a sacrifice, and I don't think the sacrifice is worth it. I see it as a virtual Tower of Babel. They keep building the tower up and up, and each level gets smaller and smaller, that eventually, it's just gonna fall like a loosing Jenga turn.

[Kingshango]

If there's any game that's gonna push me to get the Wii U is this game

Wii U - The Wonderful 101 Trailer


Oh and some other odd game called Bayonetta 2 or something.