Topic: On the LoS series

[Superhunter]

So Ive beaten mirror of fate, it's enjoyable enough, but damn it, it's disappointing. I wanna like the Lords series I really do, but...

- The writing is awful, it's just awful, it's so clumsy and it just falls so short. The original castlevania before they started getting more fleshed out with anime story lines, back when their was basically the belmonts who kill dracula, and dracula the bad guy. I mean it's an archetypal battle between good vs evil and when a new studio comes in to modernize it, we get clumsy writing, laughable dialogue, and inconsistent story telling. Just stop.
 
- the action is just so dumb, we have these characters that are supposed to be incredibly skilled warriors, but to add action they give them circumstantial god like strength and invincability. Oh in game it takes 20 hits to kill a skeleton and a 20 foot drop is death. But in cutscenes Gabriel can be stabbed through the abdomen by a a tail the size of a free trunk then use his blood to draw a football field sized cross and walk away, just like Simon picking up a werewolf and breaking its back over his knee (seriously that actually happens) and Trevor ripping a monster the size of a b-52 in half by pulling a chain through it. Seriously just stop.

- the weapon. You fucked up the vampire killer, really, like 5 stories length of chain is supposed to fit into a foot long handle, and these guys can swing that around like it's weightless, it's just ludicrous, also this foot long handle has enough propulsion to not just grapple, but to be shot through the chests of giant monsters, not to mention it's all mechanical, no magic in involved, which also pisses me off, the belmonts (at least Gabriel, seeing as how Trevor uses a copy of the cross that shouldn't exist) don't have a sacred holy weapon that shouldn't be able to kill, but through some unknown power can destroy darkness, no that wouldn't make sense, these new belmonts just smack monsters to death with a hundred pound chain that is for some reason weightless. Just please for the love of god stop

- I'm not mad mercury steam, I'm just disappointed, 

[Darkson]

I'll humor you, my good man

1. Tell me specifically where the writing is weak and/or inconsistant and I'll do my best to reply properly

2. It takes 4-5 hits to kill skeletons, and that is with alucard and Trevor. Over-exaggeration doesn't improve your post, it weakens it (no offense meant). Gabriel didn't get stabbed through his abdomen, but to the right of said area, which allows him to use his blood to form a seal to trap the daemon lord. Gabriel is mentioned to be capable of feats of superhuman quality when he was solely just human and mortal, so it isn't far fetched to think that Trevor and Simon inherited some of that strength. Not to mention, Trevor's combat cross, while a copy of the original (which Gabriel destroyed), it does seem to have the spiked chain upgrade Gabriel could acquire in the original game, so that , along with Trevor's genetics, training, and weapon quality, could allow him to vivisect the daemon lord.

3. It's not suppose to be realistic, this is a dark fantasy game after all. Not to mention, these crosses were created by the brotherhood, so they've likely been blessed to kill creatures of the dark. Even then, as shown by grant from the original timeline, the weapons don't have to be special, you just have to be skilled enough to kill the beasts with them. It's also stated that the wealders of the cross propulse it with their bare strength, with is of supernatural quality and enhanced with rigorous training.

[Mystic Myotis]

Oh in game it takes 20 hits to kill a skeleton and a 20 foot drop is death. But in cutscenes Gabriel can be stabbed through the abdomen by a a tail the size of a free trunk then use his blood to draw a football field sized cross and walk away, just like Simon picking up a werewolf and breaking its back over his knee (seriously that actually happens) and Trevor ripping a monster the size of a b-52 in half by pulling a chain through it. Seriously just stop.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CutscenePowerToTheMax

One thing I liked about the original canon was that there was very little difference between what your characters did in actual gameplay and what they did in cut-scenes.  I think the DS games illustrate this best, with Soma's souls, the Dominus glyphs, and the Sanctuary spell, but there are other examples, too, like in CoD, which had Hector doing things in cut-scenes you could do in-game (chaining backflips, for example).  LoS seems to go more along the lines of 'Rule of Cool.'  Not necessarily a bad thing, but...

- the weapon. You fucked up the vampire killer, really, like 5 stories length of chain is supposed to fit into a foot long handle, and these guys can swing that around like it's weightless, it's just ludicrous, also this foot long handle has enough propulsion to not just grapple, but to be shot through the chests of giant monsters, not to mention it's all mechanical, no magic in involved

I like the CC's design; I think it was thought out well.  But you're right; it doesn't have a weighty feel to it, it doesn't do the damage it should, and it should be enchanted when it isn't (well, not that we've seen, anyway).

[e105beta]

So either I'm having massive déjà vu, or this exact same topic was already made when LoS came out

[Lelygax]

So nothing have changed?

[e105beta]

So nothing have changed?

Well, the whining sure hasn't

[Flame]

I wouldn't call this thread whining, Op's post isn't really whiny, He just shares some of his bothers with the story and design. Fair enough, right? Ill have to agree though, in the end, it's all fantasy, about hunters vs the supernatural + Dracula.

[e105beta]

I wouldn't call this thread whining, Op's post isn't really whiny, He just shares some of his bothers with the story and design. Fair enough, right? Ill have to agree though, in the end, it's all fantasy, about hunters vs the supernatural + Dracula.

I don't begrudge the man the right to share his opinion. I guess it just came off as a bit whiny because it feels like I read the exact same thing two years ago a midst all of the whine that was going on then.

Especially when a lot of it can be explained by the typical "fantasy =/= reality" and "gameplay mechanics =/= cutscene logic"

[Dremn]

Honestly I thought the story/writing was way more consistent in this one than it was in LoS. LoS had too many things that we're just "because" and not enough explanations for it.

[darkwzrd4]

Let's be honest, if the LoS series didn't have Castlevania in its name, there wouldn't be any whining. The only people who are whining are the people who liked the old cannon and can't except the fact that the series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love. Jeez, move on already!!! You guys are acting like Mathias was when his first wife died in LoI. You whine and refuse move on. The old cannon is dead. Period. You're free to have to your opinions, but stop whining on the forums. We all know you don't like LoS. We don't need to constantly hear it.

That being said, if this was its own stand alone series, no one would be whining. It's all because you idiots consider it a blasphemy and act like all this complaining is going to get Konami to go back to the old cannon and continue it (IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!).

As for why the Combat Cross is effective against monsters, I believe it is said somewhere that the during the construction, holy water was poured over the chain.

[beingthehero]

old cannon

RIP old cannon, you will be missed

[Lelygax]

 So if I pour holy water in myself I can kill Dracula with a hug? lol

 You are not Konami so you cannot confirm that they dont will return to the old canon and saying that in BIGGU LETTERZ doesnt give you more credit in this affirmation. Calm down friend, you dont are making justice to your Unfazed award, I really never have seen you whining like that before.

 If we dislike something, certainly we will share it here.

edit: lol
beinghtehero, I thought in doing that but found it to be too cruel. I know what is to do mistakes like that, since I learned english with games. Also he said "can't except" instead of "can't accept".

[Rudolph LagnaGaisaer]

Let's be honest, if the LoS series didn't have Castlevania in its name, there wouldn't be any whining. The only people who are whining are the people who liked the old cannon and can't except the fact that the series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love. Jeez, move on already!!! You guys are acting like Mathias was when his first wife died in LoI. You whine and refuse move on. The old cannon is dead. Period. You're free to have to your opinions, but stop whining on the forums. We all know you don't like LoS. We don't need to constantly hear it.

That being said, if this was its own stand alone series, no one would be whining. It's all because you idiots consider it a blasphemy and act like all this complaining is going to get Konami to go back to the old cannon and continue it (IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!).

As for why the Combat Cross is effective against monsters, I believe it is said somewhere that the during the construction, holy water was poured over the chain.

hey i´m a fan of the LoS. Not a Big Fan of the Iga´s canonic but i still critic the LoS saga.
it´s not the game that is bad in itself is what konami did to the Cv series that created all this ... Nah . They finished something before set a end to it.

[Flame]

IMO,
If it wasn't called Castlevania, People would be instead talking about how it's a Castlevania ripoff, and wondering why Konami didn't just make a new Castlevania instead. We would quite conversely, be wondering why it ISN'T a Castlevania game.

The Combat Cross' chain was dipped in holy water when it was forged. IOW, during the cooling part, instead of normal water.

I think.

Also, I disagree- I doubt the old canon is finished for good. They will return to it eventually if they can find some more money to squeeze space to squeeze a story into.

[Pfil]

The series has been rebooted to the point that it barely resembles what they know and love.

Exactly.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

I strongly believe that The Adventure: Rebirth is not the last ClassicVania we'll see.
Also, the main timeline isn't finished, and LoS timeline ends this year. We still didn't have the 1999 game and Cox himself said that only Iga can do that. MS also stated that they won't make another game and want to move on to another projects.
If the Iga team never returns, I don't believe japanese will never try to make a new game again.
WayForward expressed publicly that they want to make a Castlevania, and the Konami/Platinum relationship, thanks to Revengeance, is today in the best shape.
We still don't have clues pointing to FromSoftware, but one never knows.
Vita still didn't receive a Castlevania and the current Nintendo portable only received one, when it's been tradition for 3 generations of portable Nintendo consoles that Castlevania have 3 entries.
And WiiU, PS4 and Xbox 720 are viable options for downloadable titles, be it multiplayer or linear games. Or who knows? Perhaps MetroidVania, which was previously reduced from console to handheld (SotN to CotM), now naturally becomes a constant for downloadable titles.
Also, many old entries in the saga could use a remake like DXC.
We have plenty of possibilities.