Topic: On the LoS series

[Successor The Cruel]

Changing minds was never my objective. Making people think - that what I am trying to do.
I don't see point in investing yourself into fictional reality to the point you feel yourself utterly devastated by its changing. Considering, that you personally can't do anything about changes in the series, unfavourable changes are expected from time to time. There is something: you must understand what you can and what you can't change and react accordingly.

Utterly devastated?
Not really. But Konami and Mercury Steam are doing a good job of utterly devastating my interest in new Castlevania games : p
And it is shame to see something that was once so rich, colorful, and exciting, become so bland, monotone, generic and boring. Has that stricken me to the point where I can't properly function as a human being? No, but it's certainly not something that I think is good. I also like to think that people like me blasting about LoS is a contributing factor to Dave Cox and crew wanting to get away from Castlevania. He is a defensive person in interviews, and it isn't hard to figure out why. So yes, I think it actually does do some practical good and I can do my part to work toward changing things : D

Who is in for a new full MetroidVania developed by another studio?

That sounds lovely. I love Metroidvania games when they're done really well.

[Neobelmont]

Who is in for a new full MetroidVania developed by another studio?

Perhaps I really got bored of the ds ones, maybe a new studio is what it needs heck I popped in Cotm a  day ago and dat catacombs music    . In my opinion Cotm is one of the best MVs, but I still stick too a new classicvania and hearing on-line about how difficult it is and how so much people would be getting game over screens ahh that is music to my ears. 

[Lelygax]

In my opinion Cotm is one of the best MVs, but I still stick too a new classicvania and hearing on-line about how difficult it is and how so much people would be getting game over screens ahh that is music to my ears. 

You are describing Albus in Hard Mode, CotM is for kids if compared with it. Yeah I still continue this torture because I like hard games, even the unfair ones lol

[Flame]

Dave Cox and crew wanting to get away from Castlevania

Wasn't he pretty adamant about "not being mr Castlevania" even before loS was released? or around the time of it's release or something? I recall him from the start not wanting to be tied to the series

[justin312]

Utterly devastated?
Not really. But Konami and Mercury Steam are doing a good job of utterly devastating my interest in new Castlevania games : p
And it is shame to see something that was once so rich, colorful, and exciting, become so bland, monotone, generic and boring. Has that stricken me to the point where I can't properly function as a human being? No, but it's certainly not something that I think is good.

You sound exactly like I did several years ago, after watching the Castlevania series undergo another major shift in tone, aesthetic and gameplay when IGA had assumed full control. My enthusiasm for a series I had once loved had been steadily drifting away after a few years with IGA at the helm.  I had a moment when I bought Curse of Darkness, tried to get myself into it, but then realized that nothing in that game has anything to do with the Castlevania that I grew up with and came to love, even as it tried to invoke nostalgia by using a character from one of my favorite games, Trevor (kind of like the new Lords game does). Rather than making me like Curse of Darkness more, I instead thought of the inclusion of Trevor and the "adding on" to the CVIII story was more blasphemous than anything else... probably the same way you feel about how they are reusing old character names now but in different ways.

At some point later I accepted that the Castlevania series had just passed me by, and the sense of magic and wonder I got from games like the original NES trilogy, Super Castlevania IV, Belmont's Revenge, Bloodlines, Symphony, and even Circle and CV64 to an extent, was gone. The series had moved in a different direction from what I wanted, and that's that. To many, that new direction is what drew people to the series. Games like Harmony of Dissonance, which made me groan and roll my eyes in disappointment at some of its style and gameplay elements, is considered by many fans one of the best games in the series. It's just not my cup of tea; it's not the CV that I grew up with. So it's really all just a matter of perspective.

Well, now Castlevania has undergone another major change, and trust me, it's not going back, no matter what you tell yourself now.  Best to just accept it, and enjoy the specific era of Castlevania history that you like best, and let the new generation of fans enjoy Lords of Shadow.

[Thomas Belmont]

You sound exactly like I did several years ago, after watching the Castlevania series undergo another major shift in tone, aesthetic and gameplay when IGA had assumed full control. My enthusiasm for a series I had once loved had been steadily drifting away after a few years with IGA at the helm.  I had a moment when I bought Curse of Darkness, tried to get myself into it, but then realized that nothing in that game has anything to do with the Castlevania that I grew up with and came to love, even as it tried to invoke nostalgia by using a character from one of my favorite games, Trevor (kind of like the new Lords game does). Rather than making me like Curse of Darkness more, I instead thought of the inclusion of Trevor and the "adding on" to the CVIII story was more blasphemous than anything else... probably the same way you feel about how they are reusing old character names now but in different ways.

+1. Totally agree that Curse of Darkness was a horrible sequel to Castlevania 3!

[Successor The Cruel]

Well, now Castlevania has undergone another major change, and trust me, it's not going back, no matter what you tell yourself now.  Best to just accept it, and enjoy the specific era of Castlevania history that you like best, and let the new generation of fans enjoy Lords of Shadow.

Not going back to what? A Harmony of Dissonance styled IGA game? That's fine. I didn't become a Castlevania fan because of IGA games. They're not required for me to enjoy Castlevania. Castlevania might not go back to that, but I am confident it's going to move on from what it is now once Dave Cox and Mercury Steam are out of the way. What will come then? I haven't the foggiest, but I seriously doubt it will resemble Lords of Shadow, and that is a plus in my book! So, I look forward to the future with hope. I'm just waiting for these MS games to get out the way so we can see what's next, as I have no positive interest in them. Hopefully whatever is next won't be lame.

[Sumac]

I haven't the foggiest, but I seriously doubt it will resemble Lords of Shadow, and that is a plus in my book!

Judgement? Dawn of Sorrow?
Saying things like: "eveyrting better, then LOS" is like digging grave for the series. Since as latest decade have proved - not everything which has IGA or Japanese crew on board, came out as good Castlevania games. So, be careful, what you wish for...

And it is shame to see something that was once so rich, colorful, and exciting, become so bland, monotone, generic and boring.

This is where I am heavily disagree. The latest pre-LOS games ('cept for OOE) were colourful, but weren't exciting and rich, but they certainly were generic, bland and mostly boring. SOTN clonage wasn't good for the health of the series. At all.

[Successor The Cruel]

Judgement? Dawn of Sorrow?
Saying things like: "eveyrting better, then LOS" is like digging grave for the series. Since as latest decade have proved - not everything which has IGA or Japanese crew on board, came out as good Castlevania games. So, be careful, what you wish for...
This is where I am heavily disagree. The latest pre-LOS games ('cept for OOE) were colourful, but weren't exciting and rich, but they certainly were generic, bland and mostly boring. SOTN clonage wasn't good for the health of the series. At all.

Now I can tell that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing because you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't mention anything about Judgment or Dawn of Sorrow being better than Lords of Shadow. Not that I'm saying I don't feel that way or I do, but it's a non-issue, because I never said that.

The argument is pointless. It is for me, anyway, because no matter how many times it is said, certain people just can't seem to get it through their skulls that just because some might dislike LoS, does not mean they give a free pass for every bad game IGA or some Japanese team made. Maybe some people do. I don't. Lords of Shadow haters are not one big homogenous group. You're talking to individuals here, so don't approach me like someone else you may have conversed with. I have my own opinions. Not theirs, so please do not act like you know how I think. And even then, what you're alluding to probably isn't even most people's opinions, but rather incorrect assumptions from some Lords of Shadow fans that all of the people who don't like that sub-series are sheepish IGA worshipers who believe he can do no wrong and who only enjoy his games and only want the series to go back to them.

Yeah, there were some bad games before LoS. LoS is bad, too. That's why I want to see something new, and hopefully good.

[justin312]

Not going back to what? A Harmony of Dissonance styled IGA game? That's fine. I didn't become a Castlevania fan because of IGA games. They're not required for me to enjoy Castlevania. Castlevania might not go back to that, but I am confident it's going to move on from what it is now once Dave Cox and Mercury Steam are out of the way. What will come then? I haven't the foggiest, but I seriously doubt it will resemble Lords of Shadow, and that is a plus in my book! So, I look forward to the future with hope. I'm just waiting for these MS games to get out the way so we can see what's next, as I have no positive interest in them. Hopefully whatever is next won't be lame.

That also sounds just like me from a few years ago. When I first started seeing glimpses and hearing things about Lords of Shadow, I was very optimistic about it. It wasn't because Lords looked like it was moving back in a direction closer to the CV I loved, because it didn't look that way. However, I was so tired of the direction things had gone in for so many years, I figured ANY big change was a good change. So there is always hope for change and a new direction someday. I am sure sooner or later Cox and MS will become just another chapter in the Castlevania series' past, just like IGA is.

[Sumac]

The argument is pointless. It is for me, anyway, because no matter how many times it is said, certain people just can't seem to get it through their skulls that just because some might dislike LoS, does not mean they give a free pass for every bad game IGA or some Japanese team made. You're talking to individuals here, so don't approach me like someone else you may have conversed with. I have my own opinions. Not theirs, so please do not act like you know how I think. And even then, what you're alluding to probably isn't even most people's opinions, but rather incorrect assumptions from some Lords of Shadow fans that all of the people who don't like that sub-series are sheepish IGA worshipers who believe he can do no wrong and who only enjoy his games and only want the series to go back to them.

People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.
It's not my problem, that the most vocal LOS-haters are, also, usually rabid pro-IGAvanias supporters. They have given such stigma to the fanbase, so all questions to them. 

[Puwexil]

People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.
It's not my problem, that the most vocal LOS-haters are, also, usually rabid pro-IGAvanias supporters. They have given such stigma to the fanbase, so all questions to them. 

It is your problem when you make baseless blanket statements about another person just because you're personally frustrated with a fraction of the fanbase. It's demeaning and not conducive to entering any sort of constructive dialogue. If the level of discourse surrounding the topic isn't what you'd like, putting a stop to unfounded assumptions about the other party should be the first step in rectifying the issue, not coy handwaving.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.
It's not my problem, that the most vocal LOS-haters are, also, usually rabid pro-IGAvanias supporters. They have given such stigma to the fanbase, so all questions to them. 

You see?

Its attitudes like this that keep Jorge on your case around here and has had you on thin ice for so long.

Your simply to pretentious and full of yourself for your own good and think that anyone who dislikes LOS is some kind of rabid IGA fantard and your ego just won't let you believe otherwise.

Your severe dislike for IGA and rabid love for LOS clouds your thoughts in my opinion.

You also seem to be under the impression that a lot of your opinions are fact with lines like

People, who actually dislike LOS and doesn't argue only pro-IGA'vanias, are in minority.

Your attitude stifles discussion and makes people steer away from having any worthwhile discussion with you since you obviously have a very broad outlook on most of the people who do not share your love for LOS.

[Lelygax]

Im disappointed Sumac, do you really think that about us? Hau auu~

[X]

Seriously Sumac, you just got back onto the Dungeon. If anything, being booted off for a month should've taught you that your ego was boarder-line out of control. A person's ego that's left unchecked does nothing to help nor benefit them. It ruins them, manipulates them, and eventually destroys them as a person. Are you really okay with self-destruction so long as you get everyone in the world to only see thing your way? It's not healthy for you and I know you can be much better then this. Everyone who's here wants to be here because we all have something in common. Don't ruin yourself in other people's eyes anymore then you already have. It's just not worth it.