Topic: Bloodlines Dracula's Second form is Drolta??

[Inccubus]

According to the wikia entry in the Japanese version of Bloodlines has Dracula's second form as Drolta.
There's no source cited and in all three releases of the game it shows Dracula powering UP to transform into his second phase.
Unless there's something in the Japanese manual that says that this is in fact the case, then I call bullshit on this.

Here's the wiki page:
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Drolta_Tzuentes

And here's the discussion in case anyone wants to chime in:
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Drolta_Tzuentes


Here are the manual scan in case anyone wants to translate them:

[Lelygax]

It is in the japanese manual, I thought it common knowledge that the 2nd form is Drolta.

[Inccubus]

Where? What's the text that says that? Because the in game graphics do not in any way lead one to that idea at all.

[Chernabogue]

I think Drolta tries to protect Dracula before he transforms into his second form. But the two are two different characters!

[Neobelmont]

Is it odd that I have no idea what you guys are talking about? I thought it was a nod to drac's first form in dracula's curse with the wand and stuff

[Lelygax]

Where? What's the text that says that? Because the in game graphics do not in any way lead one to that idea at all.

It leads, since Dracula never changes clothes when transforms (Malus is a exception and for obvious reasons) and these robes look like the same ones that Drolta uses.
Also: "Hempel's Raven", if someone said it and the notice spread it should be the truth, since anyone that knows japanese can fix it in a wiki (Im not one of these persons) xD

[Inccubus]

Is it odd that I have no idea what you guys are talking about? I thought it was a nod to drac's first form in dracula's curse with the wand and stuff

That's what I always thought too. And it makes sense too since CV3 established Dracula as being a powerful sorcerer/alchemist/whatever.

It leads, since Dracula never changes clothes when transforms (Malus is a exception and for obvious reasons) and these robes look like the same ones that Drolta uses.
Also: "Hempel's Raven", if someone said it and the notice spread it should be the truth, since anyone that knows japanese can fix it in a wiki (Im not one of these persons) xD

I disagree. Just because something spreads doesn't make it true. In fact this is how rumors and urban legends come to be.
If we're gonna analyze what's actually in the game I can't say there's anything whatsoever that even hints that Dracula's second form is Drolta.

What actually happens in the game is a bunch of bats burst out of a coffin in the background after being hit by a column of light. The bats gather in another column of light and turn into Dracula's first form.

After defeating him in this form he floats to the middle of the screen where he turns towards the camera, absorbs a bunch of bats, smaller columns of light spreading from him, and he very clearly transforms into a cloaked form holding a staff. The palette is the same with the same skin tone. This is in all versions of the game. Just because he has a similar cloak to Drolta's artwork doesn't really mean anything. Plus she isn't depicted holding a staff or floating in the air. Further more her artwork shows her as having normal skin color, long grey hair and wearing a purple robe under her dark blue outer robes. The genesis was quite capable of depicting all this without being forced to share Dracula's palette.

Going on with what's depicted in the games, after defeating the second form Dracula once again floats to the center of the screen and absorbs more bats with even more columns of light spreading out from him. It should be noted that this is basically the same sequence as the first transformation but much bigger and flashier which in and of itself implied a greater infusion of power. As this is going on they do this fancy interlaced wavy effect for the third form's body appearing.

One thing people have said is that the third form implies that this is Dracula fused with Drolta. I have to disagree. The Demon with the face in it's belly has no implicit connection with fused beings and is actually quite common in Japanese culture and several others around the world. In fact most of the final bosses in the Ghosts 'n' Goblins series have second faces in their bellies. I submit that this is only a sign of Dracula's third form being a demon form, nothing more.

In closing, unless someone can translate the manual and/or cite an interview with someone on the creative team then I have to call bullshit on this Drolta thing.

[Lelygax]

If you cant read japanese, you cant say its wrong or is right, while you didnt prove its wrong, it will still being truth. I tried to say you that with a bit of humor, but it seems that internet didnt translated it properly since we cant do voice tones with text xD

Im waiting for Shiroi or Koutei explanation, since they know japanese.

Also

I disagree. Just because something spreads doesn't make it true. In fact this is how rumors and urban legends come to be.

Thats true, but since everyone can edit a wiki page, its not totally correct, since a lot of people from this wiki know japanese.

In closing, unless someone can translate the manual and/or cite an interview with someone on the creative team then I have to call bullshit on this Drolta thing.

Its okay, do as you want, you are correct in doubting things. I only find it a little difficult to dont be true since anyone can fix it. You even took your time to search these scans, I appreciate it.

edit: While we are at it, why not check if Bartley turns into Medusa or she really summons her?

[Inccubus]

If you cant read japanese, you cant say its wrong or is right, while you didnt prove its wrong, it will still being truth. I tried to say you that with a bit of humor, but it seems that internet didnt translated it properly since we cant do voice tones with text xD

Im waiting for Shiroi or Koutei explanation, since they know japanese.

Also

Thats true, but since everyone can edit a wiki page, its not totally correct, since a lot of people from this wiki know japanese.

Its okay, do as you want, you are correct in doubting things. I only find it a little difficult to dont be true since anyone can fix it. You even took your time to search these scans, I appreciate it.

edit: While we are at it, why not check if Bartley turns into Medusa or she really summons her?

No worries. I understand what you mean, I just don't agree since I'm coming from an opposite viewpoint. Yes anyone with the correct knowledge can fix a wiki, but that also means that anyone that doesn't have the correct knowledge can 'fix' it, too.

The reason I question is because no one provided any evidence that this point of view is correct. Someone just said it's so with no proper citation or quotes of any kind. If they had provided that on the wiki I wouldn't have asked.

Oh, and btw I understand a little bit of Japanese, but not enough to do much more than a literal translation and guess at the correct interpretation.

I always thought that Bartley turning into a gorgon was a little wierd. I guess we'll find out if there's any info about that since in the game it doesn't show anything very conclusive. She just teleports to a spot, holds her hand out and Medusa appears in her place.

[Neobelmont]

No going to lie Drolta sounds like a Godzilla monster  I got nothing to contribute in this topic.

[Inccubus]

Wiki says this:
Drolta is based on Dorottya Szentes, one of Erzsébet Báthory's servants and her accomplice in crime.

Should say something like this:
Drolta is based on Dorottya Szentes, one of Erzsébet Báthory's servants who was one of three people tried and convicted for the crimes committed by the 'Blood Countess'.

In fact, I'm going to go change it right now.

-EDIT-
Done! Now it says:
Drolta is based on Dorottya Szentes, one of Erzsébet Báthory's servants who was one of three people said to have been tried and convicted as accomplices to the crimes committed by the 'Blood Countess'.

[Koutei]

There is no hint in the Japanese manual.

Here is translation of the Japanese manual story.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cvbl/game-media.htm

This is transcript of the Japanese manual character section.
http://castlevania.jp/a_main/14/14c.htm


Q: Drolta Tzuentes is CV:Bloodlines Dracula's second form? Elizabeth Bartley is Medusa?
A: I don't know. I haven't official source.

[Inccubus]

Can't say as I'm surprised about this.

EDIT: Reinhart77 over at the wikia can't find any concrete sources about the supposed connection to Dracula's second form and has given the go ahead change the info which I'm doing right now.

[Lelygax]

Thats incomplete, without Dracula's profile we cant close this case yet. lol

[Inccubus]

Thats incomplete, without Dracula's profile we cant close this case yet. lol

Until there's evidence to the contrary it would serve truth best not to propagate unfounded ideas. Besides, I added a bit in the 'Trivia' section stating that there is an idea floating around that Dracula's second form is Drolta, but that there is no concrete evidence of this thus far. I found a source for the idea, though. Mr.P's site states that the Japanese version gives Drolta more importance and goes on to speculate that Dracula's second form is her because of a similarity to her artwork. Seems because of the way it was written that people assumed that the speculation was connected to info in the Japanese manual. But this isn't the case. There are no citations on Mr.P's site either. It's just opinion.