Topic: Konami: "Taking risks with CV prevented it from becoming another Megaman"

[Weiss Belmont]

2. Guys, I feel like I've forgotten something. It's like 25 years ago something happened. It had to do something with meat inside walls or shit like that. I don't know. How are we doing with that next Metal Gear? Castlevania, you say? I don't know. Churn out something for the portables. You know where those sprites are, right? Use them.

I know you're partly joking but yeah they seriously keep that shit in a folder. I know I've heard that about FF at least that all the older sprites are literally in a folder on some guys desktop.

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[Sindra]

Testify!!!

Much like MGSforums, the "older" members on this board tend to have their heads so far up their asses they should start having their mail delivered to their colon.

You watch your tone, whippersnapper. I will beat your punk ass off my lawn with my Golden Hunchback cane.

Now where the fuck are my prunes?! It's time for Murder She Wrote.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I've been busy checking the botched upgrades on the board, and have forgotten to check on the threads.

@Weiss Belmont:

Although, indeed, the tenure of a person's stay on a particular board relating to how right they are about things is superfluous, your tone regarding the fanbase is a clear violation of the "Don't be an ass" rule.  This is one of the fundamental rules on this board.

Please take the time to read The Rules Thread.

I think you should exercise a level of respect toward others as you post.
Failure to do so will result in a number of warnings, and then a ban.

In the real world you generally have to respect other people and not go around verbally assaulting them.  Though you may not go to prison for it, you will not do well in most aspects of society if you behave in those fashions.

It is very similar in here.

So I suggest you don't go around insulting the people who are posting with you.

That is all.

[DoctaMario]

My 2 cents:

1.IGA's games were becoming the Castlevania equivalent of Madden. Pretty much the same thing with some changes. Yes, I played em, I enjoyed some of them, but by the time OoE came out, I was sick to death of them. They were on their way to turning CV into the next Mega Man.

2.If you were alienated by LoS, it's because you chose to be and probably had your mind made up about it before you even played it. Are there things about it that I don't necessarily like? Sure. But LoS has a lot in common with the other 3D games in the series The climbing/shimmying was a big part of the 64 games; the combat has quite a bit in common with LoI, which came before God Of War. So a lot of the stuff people are crying about aren't necessarily additions from left field.

2.5 LoS was a reboot. If you thought it was going to be exactly like any of the other games, well....you were delusional. But that said, I wouldn't call LoS a risk. It's an excellent game, but it's not like they turned CV into an MMORPG. Now THAT'S a risk!

3.Cox is a loudmouth and needs to shut his cock-washer, focus on on the games, and stop tweeting when he gets drunk and belligerent.

4.Konami/MS SHOULDN'T listen to the community. The community doesn't know what it wants. If Konami made the games the community says it wanted, the only people who'd buy CV games would be the people on this forum. And the series really WOULD die. No offense to anyone here, but when I read the opinions of some of the folks on CV forums, it makes me wonder if some of you eat the same things every day.

5.You can still play the old games. They still exist. LoS coming out hasn't completely ripped them from existence. If you want to play nothing but 2D Castleroid games, you can do that and there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's even easier to do nowadays what with emulation.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I still can't figure out why people don't like the DMC reboot. As a fan of that series since the first game, I don't understand how people say it's "not a DMC game" just like the people who say LoS isn't a CV game. It looks, feels, and plays like DMC. Makes me wonder how much of the older DMC games some of the folks slagging it have actually played.

[Maedhros]

2.If you were alienated by LoS, it's because you chose to be and probably had your mind made up about it before you even played it. Are there things about it that I don't necessarily like? Sure. But LoS has a lot in common with the 64 games than any other games in the series; games that I imagine few people have given a chance and really played. The combat has quite a bit in common with LoI, which came before God Of War. So a lot of the stuff people are crying about aren't necessarily additions from left field.

2.5 LoS was a reboot. If you thought it was going to be exactly like any of the other games, well....you were delusional. But that said, I wouldn't call LoS a risk. It's an excellent game, but it's not like they turned CV into an MMORPG. Now THAT'S a risk!

4.Konami/MS SHOULDN'T listen to the community. The community doesn't know what it wants. If Konami made the games the community says it wanted, the only people who'd buy CV games would be the people on this forum. And the series really WOULD die. No offense to anyone here, but when I read the opinions of some of the folks on CV forums, it makes me wonder if some of you eat the same things every day.

5.You can still play the old games. They still exist. LoS coming out hasn't completely ripped them from existence. If you want to play nothing but 2D Castleroid games, you can do that and there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's even easier to do nowadays what with emulation.

2 - Not really. The combat feels like God of War more than LoI for me. I played both too.
2.5 - Not the point. Being a remake doesn't let the game be immune from critics. Personally, being a reboot was the least of the LoS problems for me, having shitty modern gameplay and some choice designs is what made the game cringe-worth for me (I don't really like the games it's based on). Also music is not my cup of tea, even though I understand the score of the game asked for music like that
4 - Offense taken... nah, not really. Yeah, they need to catter to LoS fans right now, which aren't people who loved the old games of the franchise (mostly).
5 - People want new games based on the past experiences they had. Not a point at all.

[Abnormal Freak]

The argument that "the old things will never go away" never holds up because, just as Maedhros pointed out, new experiences are desired. I love a game like Rondo of Blood, and can continue to play it over and over as I have, but there's nothing new.

I wasn't terribly pleased with the DSvanias myself so I can't say that I miss IGA or wish he could make more games. I'd like some new blood, and even some 3D games; but from what I played of LOS, it just doesn't feel much like Castlevania to me. It's the Super Mario Bros.: The Movie of the franchise.

When God of War came out, I recall hearing a statement from Kojima that this is how a 3D Castlevania should be done. I couldn't see it then, and I can't see it now that such a project has been executed. Despite the PS2 games doing it, I have a difficult time seeing Castlevania as a hack-and-slash series. I think it's a very misguided approach.

I don't see the point in "keeping a franchise alive" if it's not going to resemble said franchise.

I'm all for branching out and experimentation, but you can't just completely rewrite everything. All the good reboots (games, movies, anime series) still retain many core details and are faithful to the source material while creating new ideas.

[Flame]

On a somewhat unrelated note, I still can't figure out why people don't like the DMC reboot. As a fan of that series since the first game, I don't understand how people say it's "not a DMC game" just like the people who say LoS isn't a CV game. It looks, feels, and plays like DMC. Makes me wonder how much of the older DMC games some of the folks slagging it have actually played.

It's the Dante Redesign, plain and simple. It reeks, and is a self-insert of the game's director.

Plus, there was no real need for a reboot, from what i understand, the DMC franchise was doing fine.

[crisis]

A lot of fans were also jaded because they (MercurySteam, Cox) were initially labelling the game as "Super Castlevania IV in 3D," which is a HIGHLY debatable claim.

Then they tried saying MoF was their version of CVIII. We all know how that turned out.

[A-Yty]

That. And I'm sure outright lying or at least bendings of the truth have happened. Wasn't there something about Cox saying there wouldn't be QTEs in MoF? Just doing a little recap here.  Also, their bumbling and/or trollish statements.

I stress that this is just my opinion, but I still think LoS was not originally a Castlevania game.

[Flame]

except it was. there's no way around it

[A-Yty]

Like I said, feel free to think so.

[X]

2.If you were alienated by LoS, it's because you chose to be and probably had your mind made up about it before you even played it. Are there things about it that I don't necessarily like? Sure. But LoS has a lot in common with the other 3D games in the series The climbing/shimmying was a big part of the 64 games; the combat has quite a bit in common with LoI, which came before God Of War. So a lot of the stuff people are crying about aren't necessarily additions from left field.

I must disagree with this. I never chose to be alienated by LoS. It just alienated me, period. I knew it was going to be different and I went in with no real expectations, but I was not expecting what I saw and played. I gave the game a chance, more-so then it deserved. But in the end I'd had enough. It let me down. True that there was wall shimmying and climbing like in the N64 titles, but it was balanced and not over saturated like it is in LoS. The whip combat has almost zero to do with LoI and much, much more with GoW and that's what MS was aiming for when they did the combat system.

A lot of fans were also jaded because they (MercurySteam, Cox) were initially labelling the game as "Super Castlevania IV in 3D," which is a HIGHLY debatable claim.

Then they tried saying MoF was their version of CVIII. We all know how that turned out.

*Nod-nod*

Yep. True dat.

[A-Yty]

Maybe LoS2 will be "like Simon's Quest".

I wonder what that would turn out to be.

[DragonSlayr81]

In the real world you generally have to respect other people and not go around verbally assaulting them.  Though you may not go to prison for it, you will not do well in most aspects of society if you behave in those fashions.

It is very similar in here.

So I suggest you don't go around insulting the people who are posting with you.

That is all.

That was actually pretty elegantly put. I wouldve said, "In the real world, you act like an asshole, you're gonna get your asshole kicked! It's true. It's like those guys that show up to parties and everybody's like, "Oh GOD, who invited HIM? He's such a douche!!". The kind of guy who walks towards a crowd and they part like the Red Sea. Nobody wants to be friends with those kinds of people. They are off-putting, annoying and embarrassing.

[Flame]

Maybe LoS2 will be "like Simon's Quest".

I wonder what that would turn out to be.

"Lords of Shadows 2: Dracula's Quest"

"You now prosess your rib!"